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<trackbot> Date: 05 January 2010
<laurent_oz> I have just joined (Laurent)
<Manfred_DERI> Hi anyone here already? I do not hear anything ...
<laurent_oz> ??P8 is me
<laurent_oz> Regrets from Luis via mailing list. He's giving a talk and wishes everyone a happy new year
<Holger> ScribeNick: Arthur
kerry: delivery date 2nd
... we should have first draft till end of january
<Manfred_DERI> +1 (I will have time in Feb if needed)
volunteers to work on the draft so far: Kerry, Kevin, Arhtur
<scribe> ACTION: prepare draft for XG report for kerry, kevin, arthur [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/05-ssn-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - prepare
JohnG: what is the status for relationship between processes and systems?
Michael: System describes structural make up, Proceses describe temporal ordering and data flow.
<JohnG> I appreciated the point that pushing system and process together prematurely may mush different types of things unhelpfully.
<michael> hasSubsystem also sounds like a sensible name
<JohnG> To finish about system and process, I concur that whether these are related will, in the end, depend on their exact definitions.
<laurent_oz> Recommends to have explanations which covers the different cases explicitly
<kerry> michael's comment is important for composable ontologies
<laurent_oz> 1st case is complex sensing system with sub-system, components, sensors
<laurent_oz> 2nd case is simple sensor
<michael> Luis is missing - he is interested in this.
<JohnG> can you please post the link to the definitions page? (or is it http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/SWE_terms?)
<laurent_oz> Yes that's the page I talked about
<scribe> ACTION: laurent_oz to update the terminology from micheals email [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/05-ssn-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-4 - Update the terminology from micheals email [on Laurent Lefort - due 2010-01-12].
kerry: vote and pin down the structure proposed by michael, so we can go on
<krp> (not -1!)
<michael> good idea
<krp> only that hasComponent is inconsistently named, but I think Michael's already noted that.
<michael> yeah hasSubsystem ??
<krp> yeah, that would seem more consistent... if a mouthful ;)
<laurent_oz> Link to the page http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Review_of_semantic_annotation_proposals
<kerry> laurent -- krysztof has volunteered to write on sapience in the XG report, too
<krp> That's why we have to work on it soon ;)
SSN-XG Webprotege page: http://184.108.40.206/webprotege/
<laurent_oz> Note to JohnG: the SWE terms page (http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/SWE_terms) is the page we agree to use as a mean to converge on the terms used especially for cases where a term can be used with 2 different meanings. It started as a OGC-centric one. I added the VIM terms. Everyone is invited to review and amend it. The nominated co-editors are Luis and Kevin.
<laurent_oz> I want to be a WebProtege user
<mib_c9am4h> +1 (kelsey)
<JohnG> and I'm sure Luis will too
<laurent_oz> Participants details are here: http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=43337
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