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17:53:50 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-sparql-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-sparql-irc ←
17:53:56 <ivan> rrsagent, set log public
Ivan Herman: rrsagent, set log public ←
17:54:17 <bglimm> that's easy :-), but I suppose you need special powers to do that or would Zakim also do it if I asked?
Birte Glimm: that's easy :-), but I suppose you need special powers to do that or would Zakim also do it if I asked? ←
17:54:24 <ivan> nop
Ivan Herman: nop ←
17:54:48 <ivan> at least I do not think so
Ivan Herman: at least I do not think so ←
17:55:06 <sandro> you have to use just the right tone of voice. :)
Sandro Hawke: you have to use just the right tone of voice. :) ←
17:55:08 <bglimm> I can try another time and see what Zakim says ;-)
Birte Glimm: I can try another time and see what Zakim says ;-) ←
17:55:27 <sandro> zakim, room for 6800000000?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, room for 6800000000? ←
17:55:27 <Zakim> sandro, an adhoc conference was scheduled here less than 2 minutes ago
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, an adhoc conference was scheduled here less than 2 minutes ago ←
17:55:49 <ivan> sandro, do not break zakim:-)
Ivan Herman: sandro, do not break zakim:-) ←
17:56:07 <sandro> No, I'm not. :)
Sandro Hawke: No, I'm not. :) ←
17:58:45 <bglimm> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-03-03
17:59:27 <sandro> zakim, what is the code?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, what is the code? ←
17:59:27 <Zakim> the conference code is 772775 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 772775 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), sandro ←
17:59:34 <Zakim> Team_(sparql)17:53Z has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: Team_(sparql)17:53Z has now started ←
17:59:41 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
18:00:37 <Zakim> +bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm ←
18:00:42 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
18:00:42 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
18:00:43 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
18:06:27 <bglimm> Hi Axel,
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Birte Glimm: Hi Axel, ←
18:06:29 <AxelPolleres> apologies... late
Axel Polleres: apologies... late ←
18:06:37 <bglimm> will you join the teleconf
Birte Glimm: will you join the teleconf ←
18:06:41 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, code?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, code? ←
18:06:41 <Zakim> the conference code is 772775 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 772775 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), AxelPolleres ←
18:07:38 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: +AxelPolleres ←
18:11:34 <AxelPolleres> infiniteness makes aggregates very problematic
Axel Polleres: infiniteness makes aggregates very problematic ←
18:11:46 <AxelPolleres> what about protocol issues on the tail...
Axel Polleres: what about protocol issues on the tail... ←
18:12:40 <AxelPolleres> ... let me put it like this, it worries me as well
Axel Polleres: ... let me put it like this, it worries me as well ←
18:18:13 <Zakim> + +1.216.773.aaaa
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Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.216.773.aaaa ←
18:22:54 <AxelPolleres> "4 -- Each SPARQL extension must provide conditions on answer sets which guarantee that every BGP and AG has a finite set of answers which is unique up to RDF graph equivalence."
Axel Polleres: "4 -- Each SPARQL extension must provide conditions on answer sets which guarantee that every BGP and AG has a finite set of answers which is unique up to RDF graph equivalence." ←
18:28:53 <AxelPolleres> -1 it does not comply with the condition to apply time/size limits that are not deterministic... "unique up to RDF graph equivalence."
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Axel Polleres: -1 it does not comply with the condition to apply time/size limits that are not deterministic... "unique up to RDF graph equivalence." ←
18:30:22 <sandro> axel: with a time limit, you wont get the same results.
Axel Polleres: with a time limit, you wont get the same results. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:30:35 <sandro> ivan: of course, limit is always non-det
Ivan Herman: of course, limit is always non-det [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:30:42 <sandro> axel: limit comes afterwords.
Axel Polleres: limit comes afterwords. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:31:18 <bglimm> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query/#sparqlBGPExtend
Birte Glimm: http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query/#sparqlBGPExtend ←
18:34:33 <sandro> sorry, now I remember the better solution: allow finite recusion.
Sandro Hawke: sorry, now I remember the better solution: allow finite recusion. ←
18:37:22 <AxelPolleres> question is whether condition 4 above allows that the RIF extension defines finiteness by an *implementaiton-dependent* recursion depth
Axel Polleres: question is whether condition 4 above allows that the RIF extension defines finiteness by an *implementaiton-dependent* recursion depth ←
18:38:06 <AxelPolleres> sandro: problem is that I can't write exchangeable rulesets without being able to define the ruleset.
Sandro Hawke: problem is that I can't write exchangeable rulesets without being able to define the ruleset. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
18:39:34 <AxelPolleres> axel: one option may be to deifne recursion-depth as a parameter of rif:imports.
Axel Polleres: one option may be to deifne recursion-depth as a parameter of rif:imports. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
18:42:42 <sandro> googol = 10^100 = as the limit for recursion. keeps things finite, but you never hit it.
Sandro Hawke: googol = 10^100 = as the limit for recursion. keeps things finite, but you never hit it. ←
18:43:39 <sandro> I dont want engines to have to check if they have hit it.
Sandro Hawke: I dont want engines to have to check if they have hit it. ←
18:43:48 <sandro> this is just for the "finiteness" line in the spec.
Sandro Hawke: this is just for the "finiteness" line in the spec. ←
18:45:33 <AxelPolleres> I share chime's concerns... I'd like to find out where the finiteness requirement comes from and there might have been a good reason.
Axel Polleres: I share chime's concerns... I'd like to find out where the finiteness requirement comes from and there might have been a good reason. ←
18:47:17 <sandro> axel: computing interest via rules....
Axel Polleres: computing interest via rules.... [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:47:45 <sandro> (or some recursive computation)
Sandro Hawke: (or some recursive computation) ←
18:48:18 <sandro> sandro: maybe some list processing....
Sandro Hawke: maybe some list processing.... [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:49:07 <AxelPolleres> as far as I remember, these interests formulae are recursive, usually.
Axel Polleres: as far as I remember, these interests formulae are recursive, usually. ←
18:49:15 <AxelPolleres> ... but I am not a financial expert.
Axel Polleres: ... but I am not a financial expert. ←
18:51:00 <sandro> computing nth prime -- small input, maybe millions of recursions.
Sandro Hawke: computing nth prime -- small input, maybe millions of recursions. ←
18:51:55 <AxelPolleres> What's the problem with RSS?
Axel Polleres: What's the problem with RSS? ←
18:53:35 <AxelPolleres> +1 to Ivan.
Axel Polleres: +1 to Ivan. ←
18:53:43 <bglimm> +1 also to Ivan
Birte Glimm: +1 also to Ivan ←
18:53:50 <sandro> right be a ruleset to reformat RSS, numbering items.
Sandro Hawke: right be a ruleset to reformat RSS, numbering items. ←
18:53:59 <sandro> s/right be/write me/
Sandro Hawke: s/right be/write me/ ←
18:58:31 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
18:58:34 <bglimm> adjourned
Birte Glimm: adjourned ←
19:00:28 <Zakim> -bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm ←
19:00:33 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/CR_Exit
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/CR_Exit ←
19:03:43 <AxelPolleres> sandro: nobody has implemented lists2rdf or RDF2lists?
Sandro Hawke: nobody has implemented lists2rdf or RDF2lists? [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
19:09:25 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/OWLRL
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Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/OWLRL ←
19:10:47 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/test/owlrl/
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/test/owlrl/ ←
19:11:26 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public
Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make records public ←
19:16:46 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres
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Zakim IRC Bot: -AxelPolleres ←
19:16:48 <Zakim> - +1.216.773.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.216.773.aaaa ←
19:16:48 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
19:16:48 <Zakim> Team_(sparql)17:53Z has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: Team_(sparql)17:53Z has ended ←
19:16:49 <Zakim> Attendees were Sandro, bglimm, Ivan, AxelPolleres, +1.216.773.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Sandro, bglimm, Ivan, AxelPolleres, +1.216.773.aaaa ←
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