SPARQL Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 30 October 2012

Agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012OctDec/0106.html
Seen
Andy Seaborne, Axel Polleres, Carlos Buil Aranda, Chimezie Ogbuji, Gregory Williams, Matthew Perry, Paul Gearon, Sandro Hawke
Regrets
Sandro Hawke
Chair
Axel Polleres
Scribe
Axel Polleres
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. approve last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-10-23 link
  2. unappprove test-case :agg-empty-group and approve :agg-empty-group2 instead within http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/aggregates/manifest.ttl link
Topics
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13:57:21 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:57:21 <trackbot> Date: 30 October 2012
13:57:57 <AxelPolleres> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012OctDec/0106.html
13:59:02 <AxelPolleres> AxelPolleres has changed the topic to: agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012OctDec/0106.html

Axel Polleres: AxelPolleres has changed the topic to: agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012OctDec/0106.html

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14:02:09 <AxelPolleres> regrets: sandro
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14:03:10 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

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14:03:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei, AxelPolleres, Chimezie, AndyS1

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14:04:44 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

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14:04:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei, AxelPolleres, chimezie_ (muted), AndyS1, MattPerry

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14:06:02 <AxelPolleres> scribe: AxelPolleres

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14:06:08 <AxelPolleres> chair: AxelPolleres
14:06:15 <AxelPolleres> topic: admin

1. admin

14:06:36 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: approve last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-10-23

PROPOSED: approve last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-10-23

14:07:03 <kasei> +1

Gregory Williams: +1

14:07:08 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: approve last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-10-23

RESOLVED: approve last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-10-23

14:07:30 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012OctDec/0106.html

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012OctDec/0106.html

14:07:45 <Zakim> +pgearon

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14:08:03 <AxelPolleres> i18n review not yet settled

i18n review not yet settled

14:09:00 <AxelPolleres> topic: publications status

2. publications status

14:09:00 <AndyS1> i18n feedback link?

Andy Seaborne: i18n feedback link?

14:10:24 <AndyS1> (was to chairs)

Andy Seaborne: (was to chairs)

14:11:02 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Transition_Request_Oct_2012#Status_Sections.2C_Changes_since_Last_Call

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Transition_Request_Oct_2012#Status_Sections.2C_Changes_since_Last_Call

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14:11:36 <AxelPolleres> Axel: I did a summary on changes since LC for update

Axel Polleres: I did a summary on changes since LC for update

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14:12:20 <chimezie_> i explicitely updated my editors draft with changes

Chimezie Ogbuji: i explicitely updated my editors draft with changes

14:12:24 <AxelPolleres> Axel: does any other edirot have anything to add to the change summary in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Transition_Request_Oct_2012#Status_Sections.2C_Changes_since_Last_Call ?

Axel Polleres: does any other edirot have anything to add to the change summary in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Transition_Request_Oct_2012#Status_Sections.2C_Changes_since_Last_Call ?

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14:12:56 <AxelPolleres> chime: have edited the changes section for GSP

Chimezie Ogbuji: have edited the changes section for GSP

14:12:58 <Zakim> -cbuilara

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14:13:32 <AndyS1> query looks right - the escape sequence in prefix names was sorted - maybe that is below the bar.

Andy Seaborne: query looks right - the escape sequence in prefix names was sorted - maybe that is below the bar.

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14:13:56 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to transfer Update changes since LC from mailinglist and other changes to other docs (where not already done)

ACTION: Axel to transfer Update changes since LC from mailinglist and other changes to other docs (where not already done)

14:13:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-707 - Transfer Update changes since LC from mailinglist and other changes to other docs (where not already done) [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-11-06].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-707 - Transfer Update changes since LC from mailinglist and other changes to other docs (where not already done) [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-11-06].

14:14:09 <AndyS1> I should tidy up some references - remove unused, what about XSD 1.1?

Andy Seaborne: I should tidy up some references - remove unused, what about XSD 1.1?

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14:14:35 <AndyS1> Conformance section does not mentioned CSV/TSV (harmless - JSON mentioned)

Andy Seaborne: Conformance section does not mentioned CSV/TSV (harmless - JSON mentioned)

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14:15:10 <AndyS1> Links to final specs (e.g. protocol) need doing but it's a dance.

Andy Seaborne: Links to final specs (e.g. protocol) need doing but it's a dance.

14:15:25 <AxelPolleres> Axel: Sandro, Lee, and myself will sync on the final steps for publications

Axel Polleres: Sandro, Lee, and myself will sync on the final steps for publications

14:15:52 <AxelPolleres> q?

q?

14:15:57 <AxelPolleres> topic: test cases

3. test cases

14:16:49 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Andy to check whether references in Query are up-to-date

ACTION: Andy to check whether references in Query are up-to-date

14:16:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-708 - Check whether references in Query are up-to-date [on Andy Seaborne - due 2012-11-06].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-708 - Check whether references in Query are up-to-date [on Andy Seaborne - due 2012-11-06].

14:19:03 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to check back with Sandro whether [XSDT] reference to XML Schema 1.0 is ok in Query

ACTION: Axel to check back with Sandro whether [XSDT] reference to XML Schema 1.0 is ok in Query

14:19:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-709 - Check back with Sandro whether [XSDT] reference to XML Schema 1.0 is ok in Query [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-11-06].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-709 - Check back with Sandro whether [XSDT] reference to XML Schema 1.0 is ok in Query [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-11-06].

15:22:47 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Andy to add references to other specs to http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/#conformance (in the Editors' draft)

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ACTION: Andy to add references to other specs to http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/#conformance (in the Editors' draft)

15:22:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-710 - Add references to other specs to http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/#conformance (in the Editors' draft) [on Andy Seaborne - due 2012-11-06].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-710 - Add references to other specs to http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/#conformance (in the Editors' draft) [on Andy Seaborne - due 2012-11-06].

15:23:06 <AxelPolleres> Andy: asked about errata in XML-Res

Andy Seaborne: asked about errata in XML-Res

15:23:54 <AxelPolleres> Axel: XMLRes will be published as Proposed Edited Rec (i.e. Second Edition), cf transoition request

Axel Polleres: XMLRes will be published as Proposed Edited Rec (i.e. Second Edition), cf transoition request

15:24:17 <AxelPolleres> topic: test cases

4. test cases

15:24:53 <AxelPolleres> :agg-empty-group ... some discussion on the mailinglist cf. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012OctDec/0104.html

:agg-empty-group ... some discussion on the mailinglist cf. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012OctDec/0104.html

15:26:39 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: reappprove test-case :agg-empty-group according to the fix discussed in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012OctDec/0104.html

PROPOSED: reappprove test-case :agg-empty-group according to the fix discussed in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012OctDec/0104.html

15:28:14 <AndyS1> File to fix -- http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/aggregates/agg-empty-group.srx

Andy Seaborne: File to fix -- http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/aggregates/agg-empty-group.srx

15:29:45 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: unappprove test-case :agg-empty-group and approve fixed version as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012OctDec/0104.html under the label :agg-empty-group-new

PROPOSED: unappprove test-case :agg-empty-group and approve fixed version as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012OctDec/0104.html under the label :agg-empty-group-new

15:30:53 <AxelPolleres> Greg: we have no reports failing this test, so fixing in place wouldn't break any of the systems we know

Gregory Williams: we have no reports failing this test, so fixing in place wouldn't break any of the systems we know

15:31:33 <AxelPolleres> Option A is fixing in place, Option B is approving a new fixed test case.

Option A is fixing in place, Option B is approving a new fixed test case.

15:31:44 <AxelPolleres> Strawpoll? Option A or B?

Strawpoll? Option A or B?

15:32:02 <pgearon> would prefer B

Paul Gearon: would prefer B

15:32:07 <kasei> slight preference for A, I think

Gregory Williams: slight preference for A, I think

15:32:09 <AndyS1> Don't care.

Andy Seaborne: Don't care.

15:32:14 <MattPerry> Don't care

Matthew Perry: Don't care

15:32:24 <chimezie_> B

Chimezie Ogbuji: B

15:32:34 <cbuilara> Don't care

Carlos Buil Aranda: Don't care

15:33:03 <Zakim> -cbuilara

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15:33:10 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: unappprove test-case :agg-empty-group and approve fixed version as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012OctDec/0104.html under the label :agg-empty-group-new

PROPOSED: unappprove test-case :agg-empty-group and approve fixed version as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012OctDec/0104.html under the label :agg-empty-group-new

15:34:35 <AxelPolleres> kasei: will add the new test case right now

Gregory Williams: will add the new test case right now

15:36:44 <chimezie_> Zakim, unmute me

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15:37:03 <AxelPolleres> Axel: while we are waiting: there were some new entailment tests for RIF Core

Axel Polleres: while we are waiting: there were some new entailment tests for RIF Core

15:37:10 <chimezie_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012OctDec/0105.html

Chimezie Ogbuji: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012OctDec/0105.html

15:37:23 <kasei> new test :agg-empty-group2 committed with fix. RDF::Query passes.

Gregory Williams: new test :agg-empty-group2 committed with fix. RDF::Query passes.

16:04:53 <AndyS1> pls remove the old test

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Andy Seaborne: pls remove the old test

16:04:53 <AxelPolleres> chime: I am only aware of my implementation at the moment for RIF.

Chimezie Ogbuji: I am only aware of my implementation at the moment for RIF.

16:04:53 <AndyS1> else I get a reported failure!

Andy Seaborne: else I get a reported failure!

16:04:53 <AndyS1> otherwise ARQ passes it

Andy Seaborne: otherwise ARQ passes it

16:04:53 <AndyS1> like the rdfs:seeAlso

Andy Seaborne: like the rdfs:seeAlso

16:04:53 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: paul to look look at RIF test cases from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012OctDec/0105.html

ACTION: paul to look look at RIF test cases from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012OctDec/0105.html

16:04:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-711 - Look look at RIF test cases from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012OctDec/0105.html [on Paul Gearon - due 2012-11-06].

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16:04:53 <kasei> I'll commit removal when we unapprove, along with the approval of the new test.

Gregory Williams: I'll commit removal when we unapprove, along with the approval of the new test.

16:04:53 <AndyS1> ack

Andy Seaborne: ack

16:04:53 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: unappprove test-case :agg-empty-group and approve :agg-empty-group2 instead within http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/aggregates/manifest.ttl

PROPOSED: unappprove test-case :agg-empty-group and approve :agg-empty-group2 instead within http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/aggregates/manifest.ttl

16:04:53 <AndyS1> +1

Andy Seaborne: +1

16:04:53 <kasei> +1

Gregory Williams: +1

16:04:53 <chimezie_> +1

Chimezie Ogbuji: +1

16:04:53 <kasei> q+

Gregory Williams: q+

16:04:53 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: unappprove test-case :agg-empty-group and approve :agg-empty-group2 instead within http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/aggregates/manifest.ttl

RESOLVED: unappprove test-case :agg-empty-group and approve :agg-empty-group2 instead within http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/aggregates/manifest.ttl

16:04:53 <chimezie_> Zakim, mute me

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16:04:53 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: greg to mark :agg-empty-group as unapproved and :agg-empty-group2 as approved in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/aggregates/manifest.ttl pointing to the resp. resolution from the minutes.

ACTION: greg to mark :agg-empty-group as unapproved and :agg-empty-group2 as approved in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/aggregates/manifest.ttl pointing to the resp. resolution from the minutes.

16:04:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-712 - Mark :agg-empty-group as unapproved and :agg-empty-group2 as approved in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/aggregates/manifest.ttl pointing to the resp. resolution from the minutes. [on Gregory Williams - due 2012-11-06].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-712 - Mark :agg-empty-group as unapproved and :agg-empty-group2 as approved in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/aggregates/manifest.ttl pointing to the resp. resolution from the minutes. [on Gregory Williams - due 2012-11-06].

16:04:53 <AxelPolleres> q?

q?

16:04:53 <kasei> q-

Gregory Williams: q-

16:04:53 <AxelPolleres> topic: AOB

5. AOB

16:04:53 <AxelPolleres> q?

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16:04:53 <AxelPolleres> q?

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16:04:53 <kasei> ok, AndyS1. will do.

Gregory Williams: ok, AndyS1. will do.

16:04:53 <AxelPolleres> adjourned, next week we should be in sync again across timezones

adjourned, next week we should be in sync again across timezones

16:04:53 <AndyS1> ADJOURNED

Andy Seaborne: ADJOURNED

16:04:53 <Zakim> -chimezie_

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16:04:53 <Zakim> -kasei

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16:04:53 <Zakim> -MattPerry

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16:04:53 <Zakim> -pgearon

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16:04:53 <Zakim> -AndyS1

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