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13:57:16 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #sparql 13:57:16 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/10/30-sparql-irc 13:57:18 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world 13:57:18 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #sparql 13:57:20 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277 13:57:20 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes 13:57:21 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference 13:57:21 <trackbot> Date: 30 October 2012 13:57:57 <AxelPolleres> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012OctDec/0106.html 13:59:02 <AxelPolleres> AxelPolleres has changed the topic to: agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012OctDec/0106.html 14:00:24 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started 14:00:31 <Zakim> + +1.310.729.aaaa 14:00:38 <kasei> Zakim, aaaa is me 14:00:38 <Zakim> +kasei; got it 14:01:07 <Zakim> + +49.897.aabb 14:01:11 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, aabb is me 14:01:11 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres; got it 14:01:35 <chimezie_> chimezie_ has joined #sparql 14:02:09 <AxelPolleres> regrets: sandro 14:02:12 <AndyS1> AndyS1 has joined #sparql 14:02:28 <Zakim> +Chimezie 14:02:33 <MattPerry> MattPerry has joined #sparql 14:02:41 <chimezie_> Zakim, mute me 14:02:41 <Zakim> sorry, chimezie_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you 14:03:05 <Zakim> +[IPcaller] 14:03:09 <AndyS1> zakim, IPCaller is me 14:03:09 <Zakim> +AndyS1; got it 14:03:10 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone? 14:03:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei, AxelPolleres, Chimezie, AndyS1 14:03:23 <chimezie_> Zakim, Chimezie is me 14:03:24 <Zakim> +chimezie_; got it 14:03:24 <Zakim> +MattPerry 14:03:50 <chimezie_> Zakim, mute me 14:03:50 <Zakim> chimezie_ should now be muted 14:04:44 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone? 14:04:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei, AxelPolleres, chimezie_ (muted), AndyS1, MattPerry 14:06:02 <AxelPolleres> scribe: AxelPolleres 14:06:08 <AxelPolleres> chair: AxelPolleres 14:06:15 <AxelPolleres> topic: admin 14:06:36 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: approve last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-10-23 14:07:03 <kasei> +1 14:07:08 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: approve last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-10-23 14:07:30 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012OctDec/0106.html 14:07:45 <Zakim> +pgearon 14:08:03 <AxelPolleres> i18n review not yet settled 14:08:06 <pgearon> pgearon has joined #sparql 14:09:00 <AxelPolleres> topic: publications status 14:09:00 <AndyS1> i18n feedback link? 14:10:24 <AndyS1> (was to chairs) 14:11:02 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Transition_Request_Oct_2012#Status_Sections.2C_Changes_since_Last_Call 14:11:07 <Zakim> +??P30 14:11:10 <cbuilara> cbuilara has joined #sparql 14:11:17 <Zakim> -??P30 14:11:36 <AxelPolleres> Axel: I did a summary on changes since LC for update 14:12:09 <Zakim> +??P30 14:12:12 <cbuilara> zakim, ??P30 is me 14:12:12 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it 14:12:15 <cbuilara> zakim, mute me 14:12:15 <Zakim> cbuilara should now be muted 14:12:20 <chimezie_> i explicitely updated my editors draft with changes 14:12:24 <AxelPolleres> Axel: does any other edirot have anything to add to the change summary in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Transition_Request_Oct_2012#Status_Sections.2C_Changes_since_Last_Call ? 14:12:36 <chimezie_> Zakim, unmute me 14:12:36 <Zakim> chimezie_ should no longer be muted 14:12:56 <AxelPolleres> chime: have edited the changes section for GSP 14:12:58 <Zakim> -cbuilara 14:13:32 <AndyS1> query looks right - the escape sequence in prefix names was sorted - maybe that is below the bar. 14:13:50 <Zakim> +??P30 14:13:52 <cbuilara> zakim, ??P30 is me 14:13:52 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it 14:13:54 <cbuilara> zakim, mute me 14:13:54 <Zakim> cbuilara should now be muted 14:13:56 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to transfer Update changes since LC from mailinglist and other changes to other docs (where not already done) 14:13:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-707 - Transfer Update changes since LC from mailinglist and other changes to other docs (where not already done) [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-11-06]. 14:14:09 <AndyS1> I should tidy up some references - remove unused, what about XSD 1.1? 14:14:28 <cbuilara> zakim, unmute me 14:14:28 <Zakim> cbuilara should no longer be muted 14:14:35 <AndyS1> Conformance section does not mentioned CSV/TSV (harmless - JSON mentioned) 14:14:42 <chimezie_> Zakim, mute me 14:14:42 <Zakim> chimezie_ should now be muted 14:14:42 <cbuilara> zakim, mute me 14:14:43 <Zakim> cbuilara should now be muted 14:15:10 <AndyS1> Links to final specs (e.g. protocol) need doing but it's a dance. 14:15:25 <AxelPolleres> Axel: Sandro, Lee, and myself will sync on the final steps for publications 14:15:52 <AxelPolleres> q? 14:15:57 <AxelPolleres> topic: test cases 14:16:49 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Andy to check whether references in Query are up-to-date 14:16:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-708 - Check whether references in Query are up-to-date [on Andy Seaborne - due 2012-11-06]. 14:19:03 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to check back with Sandro whether [XSDT] reference to XML Schema 1.0 is ok in Query 14:19:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-709 - Check back with Sandro whether [XSDT] reference to XML Schema 1.0 is ok in Query [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-11-06]. # from here is one kind of log 15:22:47 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Andy to add references to other specs to http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/#conformance (in the Editors' draft) 15:22:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-710 - Add references to other specs to http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/#conformance (in the Editors' draft) [on Andy Seaborne - due 2012-11-06]. 15:23:06 <AxelPolleres> Andy: asked about errata in XML-Res 15:23:54 <AxelPolleres> Axel: XMLRes will be published as Proposed Edited Rec (i.e. Second Edition), cf transoition request 15:24:17 <AxelPolleres> topic: test cases 15:24:53 <AxelPolleres> :agg-empty-group ... some discussion on the mailinglist cf. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012OctDec/0104.html 15:26:39 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: reappprove test-case :agg-empty-group according to the fix discussed in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012OctDec/0104.html 15:28:14 <AndyS1> File to fix -- http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/aggregates/agg-empty-group.srx 15:29:45 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: unappprove test-case :agg-empty-group and approve fixed version as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012OctDec/0104.html under the label :agg-empty-group-new 15:30:53 <AxelPolleres> Greg: we have no reports failing this test, so fixing in place wouldn't break any of the systems we know 15:31:33 <AxelPolleres> Option A is fixing in place, Option B is approving a new fixed test case. 15:31:44 <AxelPolleres> Strawpoll? Option A or B? 15:32:02 <pgearon> would prefer B 15:32:07 <kasei> slight preference for A, I think 15:32:09 <AndyS1> Don't care. 15:32:14 <MattPerry> Don't care 15:32:24 <chimezie_> B 15:32:34 <cbuilara> Don't care 15:33:03 <Zakim> -cbuilara 15:33:10 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: unappprove test-case :agg-empty-group and approve fixed version as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012OctDec/0104.html under the label :agg-empty-group-new 15:34:35 <AxelPolleres> kasei: will add the new test case right now 15:36:44 <chimezie_> Zakim, unmute me 15:36:44 <Zakim> chimezie_ should no longer be muted 15:37:03 <AxelPolleres> Axel: while we are waiting: there were some new entailment tests for RIF Core 15:37:10 <chimezie_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012OctDec/0105.html 15:37:23 <kasei> new test :agg-empty-group2 committed with fix. RDF::Query passes. # from here on, recovered messily by hand -- timestamps off 16:04:53 <AndyS1> pls remove the old test 16:04:53 <AxelPolleres> chime: I am only aware of my implementation at the moment for RIF. 16:04:53 <AndyS1> else I get a reported failure! 16:04:53 <AndyS1> otherwise ARQ passes it 16:04:53 <AndyS1> like the rdfs:seeAlso 16:04:53 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: paul to look look at RIF test cases from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012OctDec/0105.html 16:04:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-711 - Look look at RIF test cases from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012OctDec/0105.html [on Paul Gearon - due 2012-11-06]. 16:04:53 <kasei> I'll commit removal when we unapprove, along with the approval of the new test. 16:04:53 <AndyS1> ack 16:04:53 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: unappprove test-case :agg-empty-group and approve :agg-empty-group2 instead within http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/aggregates/manifest.ttl 16:04:53 <AndyS1> +1 16:04:53 <kasei> +1 16:04:53 <chimezie_> +1 16:04:53 <kasei> q+ 16:04:53 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: unappprove test-case :agg-empty-group and approve :agg-empty-group2 instead within http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/aggregates/manifest.ttl 16:04:53 <chimezie_> Zakim, mute me 16:04:53 <Zakim> chimezie_ should now be muted 16:04:53 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: greg to mark :agg-empty-group as unapproved and :agg-empty-group2 as approved in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/aggregates/manifest.ttl pointing to the resp. resolution from the minutes. 16:04:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-712 - Mark :agg-empty-group as unapproved and :agg-empty-group2 as approved in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/aggregates/manifest.ttl pointing to the resp. resolution from the minutes. [on Gregory Williams - due 2012-11-06]. 16:04:53 <AxelPolleres> q? 16:04:53 <kasei> q- 16:04:53 <AxelPolleres> topic: AOB 16:04:53 <AxelPolleres> q? 16:04:53 <AxelPolleres> q? 16:04:53 <kasei> ok, AndyS1. will do. 16:04:53 <AxelPolleres> adjourned, next week we should be in sync again across timezones 16:04:53 <AndyS1> ADJOURNED 16:04:53 <Zakim> -chimezie_ 16:04:53 <Zakim> -kasei 16:04:53 <Zakim> -MattPerry 16:04:53 <Zakim> -pgearon 16:04:53 <Zakim> -AndyS1