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15:00:54 <swh> Zakim, this will be SPARQL
Steve Harris: Zakim, this will be SPARQL ←
15:00:55 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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15:00:57 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be 77277 ←
15:00:57 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start now
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start now ←
15:00:58 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
15:00:58 <trackbot> Date: 31 January 2012
15:01:06 <axelpolleres> I have updated the agenda with more links at: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2012-01-31
Axel Polleres: I have updated the agenda with more links at: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2012-01-31 ←
15:01:07 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?
Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:01:07 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, AndyS ←
15:01:09 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, chimezie, axelpolleres, MattPerry, swh, MacTed, LeeF, ouvasam, SteveH, AndyS, iv_an_ru, ya, NickH, pgearon, kasei, trackbot, ericP, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, chimezie, axelpolleres, MattPerry, swh, MacTed, LeeF, ouvasam, SteveH, AndyS, iv_an_ru, ya, NickH, pgearon, kasei, trackbot, ericP, sandro ←
15:01:19 <AndyS> zakim, this is 77277
Andy Seaborne: zakim, this is 77277 ←
15:01:19 <Zakim> ok, AndyS; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, AndyS; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM ←
15:01:25 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?
Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:01:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei, MattPerry, ??P10, +49.897.aaaa, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see kasei, MattPerry, ??P10, +49.897.aaaa, sandro ←
15:01:32 <AndyS> zakim, ??P10 is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P10 is me ←
15:01:32 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
15:01:36 <Zakim> +??P14
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P14 ←
15:01:40 <swh> Zakim, ??P14 is me
Steve Harris: Zakim, ??P14 is me ←
15:01:40 <Zakim> +swh; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +swh; got it ←
15:02:16 <axelpolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:02:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei, MattPerry, AndyS, +49.897.aaaa, sandro, swh
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see kasei, MattPerry, AndyS, +49.897.aaaa, sandro, swh ←
15:02:18 <Zakim> +??P19
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P19 ←
15:02:30 <bglimm> Zakim, ??P19 is me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, ??P19 is me ←
15:02:30 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm; got it ←
15:02:34 <axelpolleres> Zakim, aaaa is me
Axel Polleres: Zakim, aaaa is me ←
15:02:35 <Zakim> +axelpolleres; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +axelpolleres; got it ←
15:02:38 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
15:02:38 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←
15:02:51 <axelpolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:02:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei, MattPerry, AndyS, axelpolleres, sandro, swh, bglimm (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see kasei, MattPerry, AndyS, axelpolleres, sandro, swh, bglimm (muted) ←
15:03:13 <Zakim> +??P21
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P21 ←
15:03:20 <cbuilara> zakim, ??P21 is me
Carlos Buil Aranda: zakim, ??P21 is me ←
15:03:20 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cbuilara; got it ←
15:03:22 <axelpolleres> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2012-01-31
15:03:35 <axelpolleres> regrets: Nicholas, Alex
15:03:44 <axelpolleres> chair: Axel Polleres
15:04:10 <axelpolleres> scribe: MattPerry
(Scribe set to Matthew Perry)
15:04:32 <axelpolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-01-24
PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-01-24 ←
15:04:34 <MattPerry> topic: admin
15:04:39 <Zakim> +chimezie
Zakim IRC Bot: +chimezie ←
15:05:00 <axelpolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-01-24
RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-01-24 ←
15:05:36 <axelpolleres> Next regular meeting: 2012-02-07 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST (scribe: Alex or Nicholas)
Axel Polleres: Next regular meeting: 2012-02-07 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST (scribe: Alex or Nicholas) ←
15:05:52 <MattPerry> axel: anything from the RDF working group
Axel Polleres: anything from the RDF working group ←
15:06:02 <MattPerry> AndyS: nothing to report
Andy Seaborne: nothing to report ←
15:06:15 <axelpolleres> topic: Graph Store Protocol
15:06:38 <axelpolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2012-01-31
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2012-01-31 ←
15:06:49 <Zakim> +pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: +pgearon ←
15:07:00 <axelpolleres> Resolutions 2 and 3 from: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-01-10#Graph_Store_Protocol
Axel Polleres: Resolutions 2 and 3 from: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-01-10#Graph_Store_Protocol ←
15:07:06 <axelpolleres> Consensi from last week: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-01-17#line0051
Axel Polleres: Consensi from last week: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-01-17#line0051 ←
15:08:07 <MattPerry> chimezie: resolutions apply only to SPARQL 1.1. graph stores, what about things that are not graph stores?
Chimezie Ogbuji: resolutions apply only to SPARQL 1.1. graph stores, what about things that are not graph stores? ←
15:08:46 <MattPerry> ... several things were still being discussed in email
... several things were still being discussed in email ←
15:09:22 <axelpolleres> Zaki, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: Zaki, who is on the phone? ←
15:09:24 <axelpolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
15:09:35 <MattPerry> ... BASE URI resolution and mt-uri
... BASE URI resolution and mt-uri ←
15:10:12 <axelpolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012Jan/0008.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012Jan/0008.html ←
15:10:23 <axelpolleres> (comment PF-1 )
Axel Polleres: (comment PF-1 ) ←
15:10:45 <axelpolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Nov/0048.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Nov/0048.html ←
15:10:52 <axelpolleres> (comment JL-2)
Axel Polleres: (comment JL-2) ←
15:11:13 <axelpolleres> response before from sandro... will use similar wording.
Axel Polleres: response before from sandro... will use similar wording. ←
15:12:05 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:AL-1
Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:AL-1 ←
15:12:05 <axelpolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Jun/0000.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Jun/0000.html ←
15:12:09 <axelpolleres> (AL-1)
Axel Polleres: (AL-1) ←
15:12:33 <MattPerry> axel: do you need approval for that response
Axel Polleres: do you need approval for that response ←
15:12:47 <AndyS> DB-3 is editorial - response can be sent.
Andy Seaborne: DB-3 is editorial - response can be sent. ←
15:13:29 <MattPerry> chimezie: response mentions linked data protocol question about how to incorporate this into graph store protocol
Chimezie Ogbuji: response mentions linked data protocol question about how to incorporate this into graph store protocol ←
15:13:38 <AndyS> SJ-1? The response looks ready to go (and is OK).
Andy Seaborne: SJ-1? The response looks ready to go (and is OK). ←
15:13:53 <MattPerry> axel: we need to fix that before publishing the document
Axel Polleres: we need to fix that before publishing the document ←
15:14:06 <axelpolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011May/0033.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011May/0033.html ←
15:15:30 <AndyS> q+ to talk (at some point) about base, append. Not comment related.
Andy Seaborne: q+ to talk (at some point) about base, append. Not comment related. ←
15:16:17 <MattPerry> axe: let's get DB3 and SJ1 out of the way
Axel Polleres: let's get DB3 and SJ1 out of the way ←
15:16:26 <MattPerry> s/axe/axel
15:16:35 <MattPerry> axel: go ahead with DB3
Axel Polleres: go ahead with DB3 ←
15:16:39 <MattPerry> ... anyone looked at SJ1
... anyone looked at SJ1 ←
15:17:29 <MattPerry> ... from myside SJ1 looks ok as well
... from myside SJ1 looks ok as well ←
15:17:34 <chimezie> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011May/0033.html
Chimezie Ogbuji: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011May/0033.html ←
15:17:37 <chimezie> SJ-1
Chimezie Ogbuji: SJ-1 ←
15:17:44 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:SJ-1
Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:SJ-1 ←
15:17:57 <axelpolleres> sandro: case spelling?
Sandro Hawke: case spelling? [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
15:18:11 <Zakim> +LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: +LeeF ←
15:18:20 <MattPerry> sandro: looks ok to me
Sandro Hawke: looks ok to me ←
15:18:39 <MattPerry> axel: anything we can do about AL1?
Axel Polleres: anything we can do about AL-1? ←
15:18:51 <MattPerry> s/AL1/AL-1
15:19:38 <MattPerry> axel: this is not included in the draft, right?
Axel Polleres: this is not included in the draft, right? ←
15:20:14 <MattPerry> chimezie: heard a few different suggestions, don't have a good idea what the consensus of the WG is
Chimezie Ogbuji: heard a few different suggestions, don't have a good idea what the consensus of the WG is ←
15:20:22 <LeeF> I think the WG stands that if the doc is scoped to graph store, then we're OK
Lee Feigenbaum: I think the WG stands that if the doc is scoped to graph store, then we're OK ←
15:20:27 <LeeF> right, what Sandro says
Lee Feigenbaum: right, what Sandro says ←
15:20:32 <MattPerry> sandro: the scope of the document was the way to handle this
Sandro Hawke: the scope of the document was the way to handle this ←
15:20:48 <MattPerry> ... POST append is find if this only applies to SPARQL 1.1 graph stores
... POST append is fine if this only applies to SPARQL 1.1 graph stores ←
15:20:55 <MattPerry> s/find/fine
15:21:17 <AndyS> q?
Andy Seaborne: q? ←
15:21:24 <MattPerry> chimezie: I can add some text to say what the scope is
Chimezie Ogbuji: I can add some text to say what the scope is ←
15:22:12 <MattPerry> AndyS: I think what we need is a restriction to a certain CASE (i.e. posting to graph rather than to a container)
Andy Seaborne: I think what we need is a restriction to a certain CASE (i.e. posting to graph rather than to a container) ←
15:22:21 <AndyS> ackme
Andy Seaborne: ackme ←
15:22:24 <AndyS> ack me
Andy Seaborne: ack me ←
15:22:24 <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to talk (at some point) about base, append. Not comment related.
Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS, you wanted to talk (at some point) about base, append. Not comment related. ←
15:23:19 <MattPerry> axel: anything to discuss related to summarizing consensus from last telecon?
Axel Polleres: anything to discuss related to summarizing consensus from last telecon? ←
15:23:42 <axelpolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-01-17#line0051
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-01-17#line0051 ←
15:24:59 <MattPerry> chimezie: I understand wording changes for PATCH
Chimezie Ogbuji: I understand wording changes for PATCH ←
15:26:06 <LeeF> _not necessarily_
Lee Feigenbaum: _not necessarily_ ←
15:26:09 <LeeF> right
Lee Feigenbaum: right ←
15:26:20 <MattPerry> axel: graph store protocol is not the same as the SPARQL endpoint URI
Axel Polleres: graph store protocol does not need to be the same as the SPARQL endpoint URI ←
15:26:48 <MattPerry> sandro: service IRI is used as the indirect identifier
Sandro Hawke: service IRI is used as the indirect identifier ←
15:27:07 <axelpolleres> s/is not/does not need to be/
15:27:34 <LeeF> 2 weeks ago :)
Lee Feigenbaum: 2 weeks ago :) ←
15:27:37 <MattPerry> ... confusion on this issue is a problem
... confusion on this issue is a problem ←
15:28:09 <MattPerry> axel: this needs to more explicit in the document
Axel Polleres: this needs to more explicit in the document ←
15:29:04 <MattPerry> chimezie: one question was what is the relationship between the service for the graph store and the service for the SPARQL protocol
Chimezie Ogbuji: one question was what is the relationship between the service for the graph store and the service for the SPARQL protocol ←
15:29:30 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
15:29:31 <MattPerry> ... the other question is how do we describe/discover the graph store service
... the other question is how do we describe/discover the graph store service ←
15:30:12 <MattPerry> sandro: for question 1, the SPARQL endpiont URI is not necessarily related to the graph store service URI
Sandro Hawke: for question 1, the SPARQL endpiont URI is not necessarily related to the graph store service URI ←
15:30:30 <MattPerry> ... a lot of people may think they are the same
... a lot of people may think they are the same ←
15:31:28 <MattPerry> sandro: does this get rid of the notion of a servcie URI?
Sandro Hawke: does this get rid of the notion of a servcie URI? ←
15:31:35 <MattPerry> chimezie: yes
Chimezie Ogbuji: yes ←
15:31:56 <MattPerry> sandro: if you do a get on the service, you get a service description
Sandro Hawke: if you do a get on the service, you get a service description ←
15:32:09 <MattPerry> chimezie: all service description references will be removed
Chimezie Ogbuji: all service description references will be removed ←
15:32:17 <sandro> (in the old text, to go away)
Sandro Hawke: (in the old text, to go away) ←
15:32:25 <MattPerry> ... there will be a few lines about how to address the graph store
... there will be a few lines about how to address the graph store ←
15:32:56 <MattPerry> axel: when do you think these changes will be implemented?
Axel Polleres: when do you think these changes will be implemented? ←
15:32:59 <sandro> chime: Planning to remove the notion of Service IRI, and just use the GraphStore IRI.
Chimezie Ogbuji: Planning to remove the notion of Service IRI, and just use the GraphStore IRI. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:33:02 <MattPerry> ... first we need another review
... first we need another review ←
15:33:05 <sandro> sandro: sounds good
Sandro Hawke: sounds good [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:33:28 <MattPerry> chimezie: probably Thursday
Chimezie Ogbuji: probably Thursday ←
15:33:38 <axelpolleres> ACTION: chime to send a mail to the group when final wording on GSP is in place
ACTION: chime to send a mail to the group when final wording on GSP is in place ←
15:33:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-582 - Send a mail to the group when final wording on GSP is in place [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2012-02-07].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-582 - Send a mail to the group when final wording on GSP is in place [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2012-02-07]. ←
15:34:08 <axelpolleres> ACTION: sandro to review GSP upon completion of ACTION-582
ACTION: sandro to review GSP upon completion of ACTION-582 ←
15:34:08 <trackbot> Created ACTION-583 - Review GSP upon completion of ACTION-582 [on Sandro Hawke - due 2012-02-07].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-583 - Review GSP upon completion of ACTION-582 [on Sandro Hawke - due 2012-02-07]. ←
15:34:19 <MattPerry> axel: second reviewer?
Axel Polleres: second reviewer? ←
15:34:46 <axelpolleres> Zakim, pick a victim
Axel Polleres: Zakim, pick a victim ←
15:34:46 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose bglimm (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose bglimm (muted) ←
15:34:54 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:34:54 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted ←
15:35:08 <MattPerry> bglimm: not sure I'm really qualified to review it
Birte Glimm: not sure I'm really qualified to review it ←
15:35:19 <MattPerry> axel: I think it will be ok
Axel Polleres: I think it will be ok ←
15:35:29 <MattPerry> bglimm: I can do a quick review
Birte Glimm: I can do a quick review ←
15:35:39 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
15:35:39 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←
15:35:51 <axelpolleres> ACTION: birte to review GSP upon completion of ACTION-582
ACTION: birte to review GSP upon completion of ACTION-582 ←
15:35:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-584 - Review GSP upon completion of ACTION-582 [on Birte Glimm - due 2012-02-07].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-584 - Review GSP upon completion of ACTION-582 [on Birte Glimm - due 2012-02-07]. ←
15:36:27 <MattPerry> topic: Test Cases
15:36:33 <LeeF> Right, the ones that are passed by ARQ and RDF::Query, in particular
Lee Feigenbaum: Right, the ones that are passed by ARQ and RDF::Query, in particular ←
15:36:56 <MattPerry> axel: looking to approve those that are passed by 2 implementations
Axel Polleres: looking to approve those that are passed by 2 implementations ←
15:37:00 <axelpolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/implementations/
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/implementations/ ←
15:37:03 <kasei> not represented on that page, the federation tests all pass on both ARQ and RDF::Query.
Gregory Williams: not represented on that page, the federation tests all pass on both ARQ and RDF::Query. ←
15:37:14 <MattPerry> axel: any updates to that list?
Axel Polleres: any updates to that list? ←
15:37:44 <MattPerry> kasei: test status are current, but implementation status has changed a bit
Gregory Williams: test status are current, but implementation status has changed a bit ←
15:37:57 <LeeF> :-)
Lee Feigenbaum: :-) ←
15:38:11 <MattPerry> AndyS: couple of small details that were changed in the test
Andy Seaborne: couple of small details that were changed in the test ←
15:38:20 <MattPerry> .... just fixing mistakes
.... just fixing mistakes ←
15:38:35 <MattPerry> kasei: those changes look fine to me
Gregory Williams: those changes look fine to me ←
15:38:46 <MattPerry> ... would be good if someone else looks at them
... would be good if someone else looks at them ←
15:38:58 <MattPerry> LeeF: they look fine to me, but I have not looked in detail
Lee Feigenbaum: they look fine to me, but I have not looked in detail ←
15:39:27 <kasei> if we have time, I'd like to discuss the COPY/MOVE tests that I emailed the list about.
Gregory Williams: if we have time, I'd like to discuss the COPY/MOVE tests that I emailed the list about. ←
15:39:40 <axelpolleres> PROPOSED: approve all non-approved test cases at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/implementations/#sparql11-federated-query
PROPOSED: approve all non-approved test cases at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/implementations/#sparql11-federated-query ←
15:39:58 <LeeF> Seconded.
Lee Feigenbaum: Seconded. ←
15:39:58 <kasei> +1
Gregory Williams: +1 ←
15:40:03 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
15:40:03 <axelpolleres> +1
Axel Polleres: +1 ←
15:40:06 <cbuilara> +1
Carlos Buil Aranda: +1 ←
15:40:18 <axelpolleres> RESOLVED: approve all non-approved test cases at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/implementations/#sparql11-federated-query
RESOLVED: approve all non-approved test cases at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/implementations/#sparql11-federated-query ←
15:40:45 <AndyS> (cbuilara? - were the changes OK with you?)
Andy Seaborne: (cbuilara? - were the changes OK with you?) ←
15:40:56 <MattPerry> axel: also have 100% coverage on the query language tests
Axel Polleres: also have 100% coverage on the query language tests ←
15:41:04 <LeeF> big kudos to Andy and Greg as shining examples for the rest of the SPARQL implementation world!
Lee Feigenbaum: big kudos to Andy and Greg as shining examples for the rest of the SPARQL implementation world! ←
15:41:18 <axelpolleres> PROPOSED: approve all non-approved test cases at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/implementations/#sparql11-query
PROPOSED: approve all non-approved test cases at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/implementations/#sparql11-query ←
15:41:22 <LeeF> seconded
Lee Feigenbaum: seconded ←
15:41:33 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
15:41:38 <MattPerry> +1
+1 ←
15:41:44 <kasei> +1
Gregory Williams: +1 ←
15:42:05 <axelpolleres> RESOLVED: approve all non-approved test cases at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/implementations/#sparql11-query
RESOLVED: approve all non-approved test cases at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/implementations/#sparql11-query ←
15:42:22 <kasei> q+
Gregory Williams: q+ ←
15:42:30 <MattPerry> axel: Update Tests: still don't have 100% coverage
Axel Polleres: Update Tests: still don't have 100% coverage ←
15:42:43 <LeeF> ack kasei
Lee Feigenbaum: ack kasei ←
15:43:10 <MattPerry> kasei: found some significant problems with the update shortcuts
Gregory Williams: found some significant problems with the update shortcuts ←
15:43:45 <MattPerry> ... the text says COPY/MOVE equivelent to e.g. DROP + MOVE, but is this really the case?
... the text says COPY/MOVE equivelent to e.g. DROP + ADD, but is this really the case? ←
15:43:52 <LeeF> I've reviewed Greg's notes and agree that the definitions are broken as-is.
Lee Feigenbaum: I've reviewed Greg's notes and agree that the definitions are broken as-is. ←
15:44:11 <MattPerry> s/DROP + MOVE/DROP + ADD
15:44:15 <AndyS> Suggestion - let's not approve the update tests today, discuss on email, and move on to the easy ones we can pass (results formats). Need Paul as update editor.
Andy Seaborne: Suggestion - let's not approve the update tests today, discuss on email, and move on to the easy ones we can pass (results formats). Need Paul as update editor. ←
15:44:35 <AndyS> The tests are excellent in finding this.
Andy Seaborne: The tests are excellent in finding this. ←
15:45:00 <MattPerry> kasei: copy graph to itself intuitively should be a no-op but strictly following the spec gets rid of the graph
Gregory Williams: copy graph to itself intuitively should be a no-op but strictly following the spec gets rid of the graph ←
15:45:00 <axelpolleres> COPY/MOVE definitions need to be fixed in terms of calling them shortcuts
Axel Polleres: COPY/MOVE definitions need to be fixed in terms of calling them shortcuts ←
15:45:20 <pgearon> I agree with kasei on the problems with the language inconsistency
Paul Gearon: I agree with kasei on the problems with the language inconsistency ←
15:46:17 <MattPerry> pgearon: The language inconsistency should be fixed
Paul Gearon: The language inconsistency should be fixed ←
15:46:53 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
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15:46:53 <Zakim> chimezie should now be muted
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15:47:04 <MattPerry> pgearon: I'd be inclined to use the equivalent operations and say if it's the same graph it becomes a no-op
Paul Gearon: I'd be inclined to use the equivalent operations and say if it's the same graph it becomes a no-op ←
15:47:30 <MattPerry> kasei: still have the issue of 1 operation vs a set of operations
Gregory Williams: still have the issue of 1 operation vs a set of operations ←
15:47:38 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
15:47:58 <MattPerry> ... are the shortcuts atomic?
... are the shortcuts atomic? ←
15:48:19 <MattPerry> LeeF: greg, would you prefer atomic or not?
Lee Feigenbaum: greg, would you prefer atomic or not? ←
15:48:26 <axelpolleres> ACTION: Paul to suggest some fixing of the wording regarding COPY/MOVE equivalent operations (reagrding atomicity and remarking that some are no-op) and about failure on empty graphs
ACTION: Paul to suggest some fixing of the wording regarding COPY/MOVE equivalent operations (reagrding atomicity and remarking that some are no-op) and about failure on empty graphs ←
15:48:26 <trackbot> Created ACTION-585 - Suggest some fixing of the wording regarding COPY/MOVE equivalent operations (reagrding atomicity and remarking that some are no-op) and about failure on empty graphs [on Paul Gearon - due 2012-02-07].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-585 - Suggest some fixing of the wording regarding COPY/MOVE equivalent operations (reagrding atomicity and remarking that some are no-op) and about failure on empty graphs [on Paul Gearon - due 2012-02-07]. ←
15:48:59 <MattPerry> kasei: I'd be happy to not require the shortcuts but don't think this is an option
Gregory Williams: I'd be happy to not require the shortcuts but don't think this is an option ←
15:49:49 <MattPerry> AndyS: the word atomic is used in 2 different places
Andy Seaborne: the word atomic is used in 2 different places ←
15:50:04 <MattPerry> .. for update requests and in the formal definitions
.. for update requests and in the formal definitions ←
15:50:17 <MattPerry> ... I don't think it needs to be in the formal section
... I don't think it needs to be in the formal section ←
15:50:37 <axelpolleres> "By 'atomic operation' we mean that the operation performs the described transformation of the Graph Store either completely or leaves the Graph Store unchanged, i.e., the result is either GS' or GS (in case of error)."
Axel Polleres: "By 'atomic operation' we mean that the operation performs the described transformation of the Graph Store either completely or leaves the Graph Store unchanged, i.e., the result is either GS' or GS (in case of error)." ←
15:51:15 <MattPerry> ... If we remove atomic from the formal section, this may fix the problem
... If we remove atomic from the formal section, this may fix the problem ←
15:51:50 <LeeF> kasei, if the word "atomic" were removed from the formal definition of an operation, would you be OK with that?
Lee Feigenbaum: kasei, if the word "atomic" were removed from the formal definition of an operation, would you be OK with that? ←
15:52:15 <kasei> LeeF: the word? or that whole sentence?
Gregory Williams: LeeF, the word? or that whole sentence? ←
15:52:41 <MattPerry> AndyS: if there is no reference to SILENT in the formal section, then error handling is outside of the formal definition
Andy Seaborne: if there is no reference to SILENT in the formal section, then error handling is outside of the formal definition ←
15:52:49 <kasei> s/LeeF:/LeeF,/
15:53:00 <LeeF> the word, I guess?
Lee Feigenbaum: the word, I guess? ←
15:53:07 <LeeF> But I guess the whole sentence
Lee Feigenbaum: But I guess the whole sentence ←
15:53:08 <LeeF> now that I read it
Lee Feigenbaum: now that I read it ←
15:53:09 <LeeF> :)
Lee Feigenbaum: :) ←
15:53:43 <MattPerry> LeeF: removing "atomic" removes a requirement
Lee Feigenbaum: removing "atomic" removes a requirement ←
15:53:47 <kasei> q+
Gregory Williams: q+ ←
15:53:54 <LeeF> ack AndyS
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AndyS ←
15:54:07 <MattPerry> AndyS: you could say these operations describe the before and after state of the graph store
Andy Seaborne: you could say these operations describe the before and after state of the graph store ←
15:54:11 <pgearon> +q
Paul Gearon: +q ←
15:54:54 <MattPerry> axel: I think you're right that we can drop it
Axel Polleres: I think you're right that we can drop it ←
15:55:06 <axelpolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
15:55:16 <AndyS> ack kasei
Andy Seaborne: ack kasei ←
15:55:23 <MattPerry> kasei: I'm worried that we are going to require code changes
Gregory Williams: I'm worried that we are going to require code changes ←
15:55:34 <LeeF> It's a bug fix
Lee Feigenbaum: It's a bug fix ←
15:55:36 <MattPerry> ... for people that used the equivalent expanded form
... for people that used the equivalent expanded form ←
15:56:14 <axelpolleres> Agreement to remive "atomic" from http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-update/#def_updateoperation?
Axel Polleres: Agreement to remove "atomic" from http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-update/#def_updateoperation? ←
15:57:19 <MattPerry> s/remive/remove
15:57:53 <LeeF> ack pgearon
Lee Feigenbaum: ack pgearon ←
15:58:13 <MattPerry> pgearon: I'm concerned about a non-atomic implementation during concurrent queries
Paul Gearon: I'm concerned about a non-atomic implementation during concurrent queries ←
15:58:21 <MattPerry> ... is this ok?
... is this ok? ←
15:59:07 <MattPerry> AndyS: is it the overall request that should be atomic?
Andy Seaborne: is it the overall request that should be atomic? ←
15:59:26 <MattPerry> pgearon: what about while the update is processing
Paul Gearon: what about while the update is processing ←
15:59:52 <AndyS> ping - formats tests? I can stay for +10 mins.
Andy Seaborne: ping - formats tests? I can stay for +10 mins. ←
16:00:29 <axelpolleres> ACTION-585, Paul to remove "atomic" from http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-update/#def_updateoperation
Axel Polleres: ACTION-585, Paul to remove "atomic" from http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-update/#def_updateoperation ←
16:00:29 <trackbot> ACTION-585 Suggest some fixing of the wording regarding COPY/MOVE equivalent operations (reagrding atomicity and remarking that some are no-op) and about failure on empty graphs notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-585 Suggest some fixing of the wording regarding COPY/MOVE equivalent operations (reagrding atomicity and remarking that some are no-op) and about failure on empty graphs notes added ←
16:01:28 <LeeF> want to discuss prop path comments next time - saw some IRC discussion - would be good to have it on mailing list
Lee Feigenbaum: want to discuss prop path comments next time - saw some IRC discussion - would be good to have it on mailing list ←
16:01:31 <Zakim> -LeeF
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16:01:48 <Zakim> -chimezie
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16:01:49 <axelpolleres> adjourned
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16:01:53 <bglimm> bze
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16:01:54 <Zakim> -sandro
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16:01:56 <bglimm> bye
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16:02:12 <axelpolleres> rrsagent, makre records public
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16:02:22 <axelpolleres> rrsagent, make records public
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16:02:35 <Zakim> -kasei
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16:03:44 <Zakim> Attendees were kasei, MattPerry, +49.897.aaaa, sandro, AndyS, swh, bglimm, axelpolleres, cbuilara, chimezie, pgearon, LeeF
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