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14:51:28 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
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14:51:28 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
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14:51:29 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
14:51:29 <trackbot> Date: 15 November 2011
14:52:09 <AndyS> Query doc isn't finished yet -- see PosLastCall page.
Andy Seaborne: Query doc isn't finished yet -- see PosLastCall page. ←
14:52:19 <AndyS> wiki:PostLastCall
Andy Seaborne: wiki:PostLastCall ←
14:52:24 <AxelPolleres_> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-11-08 (essentially the same points, we'll run through status/progress made and PostLastCall page)
14:52:31 <AxelPolleres_> chair: AxelPolleres
14:52:59 <AxelPolleres_> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall ←
14:53:38 <kasei> ok, thanks AndyS
Gregory Williams: ok, thanks AndyS ←
14:55:24 <AxelPolleres_> regrets:BirteGlimm
14:58:35 <AxelPolleres_> As regards "future work", lee has started a new page: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Future_Work_Items
Axel Polleres: As regards "future work", lee has started a new page: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Future_Work_Items ←
14:59:53 <AxelPolleres_> Open issue from last time: assign reviewers for protocol
Axel Polleres: Open issue from last time: assign reviewers for protocol ←
15:00:21 <kasei> Zakim, I hate you.
Gregory Williams: Zakim, I hate you. ←
15:00:21 <Zakim> I don't understand 'I hate you', kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'I hate you', kasei ←
15:00:24 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started
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15:00:31 <Zakim> +kasei
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15:00:43 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.603.897.aaaa ←
15:00:45 <kasei> wow. that seems to have worked. need to curse Zakim more often.
Gregory Williams: wow. that seems to have worked. need to curse Zakim more often. ←
15:00:56 <MattPerry> zakim, aaaa is me
Matthew Perry: zakim, aaaa is me ←
15:00:56 <Zakim> +MattPerry; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MattPerry; got it ←
15:01:03 <Zakim> + +49.897.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +49.897.aabb ←
15:01:19 <AxelPolleres_> Zakim, aabb is probably me
Axel Polleres: Zakim, aabb is probably me ←
15:01:23 <Zakim> +[Sophia]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[Sophia] ←
15:01:25 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AxelPolleres; got it ←
15:02:02 <AxelPolleres_> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:02:04 <LeeF> Zakim, I hate you.
Lee Feigenbaum: Zakim, I hate you. ←
15:02:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei, MattPerry, AxelPolleres, [Sophia]
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see kasei, MattPerry, AxelPolleres, [Sophia] ←
15:02:09 <Zakim> I don't understand 'I hate you', LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'I hate you', LeeF ←
15:02:13 <Zakim> + +1.617.553.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.617.553.aacc ←
15:02:15 <LeeF> sweet, works like a charm
Lee Feigenbaum: sweet, works like a charm ←
15:02:17 <Zakim> +??P12
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12 ←
15:02:18 <LeeF> zakim, aacc is me
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, aacc is me ←
15:02:19 <Zakim> +LeeF; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +LeeF; got it ←
15:02:22 <AndyS> zakim, ??P12 is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P12 is me ←
15:02:22 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
15:02:23 <kasei> there's no agenda online?
Gregory Williams: there's no agenda online? ←
15:02:45 <kasei> ah, ok.
Gregory Williams: ah, ok. ←
15:03:14 <Zakim> +pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: +pgearon ←
15:03:15 <AxelPolleres_> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:03:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei, MattPerry, AxelPolleres, [Sophia], LeeF, AndyS, pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see kasei, MattPerry, AxelPolleres, [Sophia], LeeF, AndyS, pgearon ←
15:05:06 <AxelPolleres_> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:05:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei, MattPerry, AxelPolleres, [Sophia], LeeF, AndyS, pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see kasei, MattPerry, AxelPolleres, [Sophia], LeeF, AndyS, pgearon ←
15:05:12 <Zakim> + +1.216.368.aadd
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15:05:35 <chimezie> Zakim, +1.216.368.aadd is me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, +1.216.368.aadd is me ←
15:05:35 <Zakim> +chimezie; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +chimezie; got it ←
15:05:50 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me ←
15:05:50 <Zakim> chimezie should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: chimezie should now be muted ←
15:06:25 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
15:06:45 <AxelPolleres_> sandro, can you scribe?
Axel Polleres: sandro, can you scribe? ←
15:06:54 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
15:07:07 <AxelPolleres_> scribe: AxelPolleres
(Scribe set to Axel Polleres)
15:07:14 <AxelPolleres_> topic: admin
15:07:18 <Zakim> +sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +sandro ←
15:07:32 <AxelPolleres_> scribe: sandro
(Scribe set to Sandro Hawke)
15:07:44 <chimezie> I'm getting caught up with my ACTION items outstanding (unable to last week)
Chimezie Ogbuji: I'm getting caught up with my ACTION items outstanding (unable to last week) ←
15:08:06 <sandro> axel: Agenda is reviewing status of documents, checking on reviews; see where we are toward the next publication round.
Axel Polleres: Agenda is reviewing status of documents, checking on reviews; see where we are toward the next publication round. ←
15:08:24 <AxelPolleres_> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-11-08
PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-11-08 ←
15:08:56 <AxelPolleres_> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-11-08
RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-11-08 ←
15:09:47 <sandro> axel: (looking for next scribe)
Axel Polleres: (looking for next scribe) ←
15:10:13 <chimezie> sure
Chimezie Ogbuji: sure ←
15:10:23 <AxelPolleres_> scribe for next week: chime
Axel Polleres: scribe for next week: chime ←
15:10:44 <sandro> topic: liaison with RDF WG
15:10:50 <sandro> axel: some email; comment Andy?
Axel Polleres: some email; comment Andy? ←
15:11:20 <sandro> andy: No current decisions by RDF WG affecting us. Just working through consequences of decisions earlier on, eg datatype changes
Andy Seaborne: No current decisions by RDF WG affecting us. Just working through consequences of decisions earlier on, eg datatype changes ←
15:11:25 <AxelPolleres_> discussion on effects of http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0149.html
Axel Polleres: discussion on effects of http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0149.html ←
15:11:33 <sandro> andy: There will be something about RDF Graphs, but not yet.
Andy Seaborne: There will be something about RDF Graphs, but not yet. ←
15:11:40 <sandro> axel: You did some changes based on datatype decision?
Axel Polleres: You did some changes based on datatype decision? ←
15:12:36 <sandro> andy: Because all literals will have datatypes, the DATATYPE( ) fn in sparql is affected. It didn't cover lits with lang tags. plain lits without lang tags were already returned as xs:string. Now it returns rdf:LangString for lang tagged strings.
Andy Seaborne: Because all literals will have datatypes, the DATATYPE( ) fn in sparql is affected. It didn't cover lits with lang tags. plain lits without lang tags were already returned as xs:string. Now it returns rdf:LangString for lang tagged strings. ←
15:13:17 <sandro> axel: So we're blending in some RDF 1.1 features there. Shall we discuss this as a group, since we already decided to stick to RDF 1.0, with only commentary about RDF 1.1.
Axel Polleres: So we're blending in some RDF 1.1 features there. Shall we discuss this as a group, since we already decided to stick to RDF 1.0, with only commentary about RDF 1.1. ←
15:13:28 <sandro> axel: any opinions?
Axel Polleres: any opinions? ←
15:13:35 <sandro> (silence)
(silence) ←
15:13:52 <sandro> +1 I'm fine with proceeding like this.
+1 I'm fine with proceeding like this. ←
15:14:11 <kasei> i'm hesitant to change it at this point.
Gregory Williams: i'm hesitant to change it at this point. ←
15:14:23 <sandro> axel: So, we'll try to keep as close as we can to RDF 1.1 without disrupting the test suite.
Axel Polleres: So, we'll try to keep as close as we can to RDF 1.1 without disrupting the test suite. ←
15:14:47 <pgearon> Olivier had a question about loading RDF data where data from 1.1 may define multiple graphs, but Update 1.1 currently specifies a particular graph
Paul Gearon: Olivier had a question about loading RDF data where data from 1.1 may define multiple graphs, but Update 1.1 currently specifies a particular graph ←
15:15:03 <sandro> kasei: I'm wary of making changes that potentially change the results of SPARQL 1.1 queries, on something that's not a spec (REC) yet.
Gregory Williams: I'm wary of making changes that potentially change the results of SPARQL 1.1 queries, on something that's not a spec (REC) yet. ←
15:15:25 <sandro> axel: this dt is in RDF 1.1?
Axel Polleres: this dt is in RDF 1.1? ←
15:15:28 <sandro> sandro: yes
Sandro Hawke: yes ←
15:15:34 <sandro> axel: so we have to wait for it?
Axel Polleres: so we have to wait for it? ←
15:15:52 <AxelPolleres_> I am a bit worried processwise
Axel Polleres: I am a bit worried processwise ←
15:15:57 <LeeF> We wouldn't need to wait because we're not leaning on RDF, we're just defining things ourselves
Lee Feigenbaum: We wouldn't need to wait because we're not leaning on RDF, we're just defining things ourselves ←
15:16:09 <LeeF> at least, that's how i understood what Andy did
Lee Feigenbaum: at least, that's how i understood what Andy did ←
15:16:15 <AndyS> +1 to LeeF
Andy Seaborne: +1 to LeeF ←
15:16:25 <sandro> sandro: we can just define what we need ourselves
Sandro Hawke: we can just define what we need ourselves ←
15:16:33 <sandro> sandro: it's half a sentence.....
Sandro Hawke: it's half a sentence..... ←
15:16:47 <sandro> axel: Does any of this affect D-Entailment and the fixed datatype map, Birte?
Axel Polleres: Does any of this affect D-Entailment and the fixed datatype map, Birte? ←
15:16:50 <kasei> won't this change results of in-the-wild 1.0 queries?
Gregory Williams: won't this change results of in-the-wild 1.0 queries? ←
15:17:11 <sandro> axel: I'll ask Birte in email
Axel Polleres: I'll ask Birte in email ←
15:17:39 <sandro> kasei: won't this change results of in-the-wild 1.0 queries?
Gregory Williams: won't this change results of in-the-wild 1.0 queries? ←
15:18:09 <sandro> andy: Yes, all the RDF 1.1 changes have that potential. Particularly with datatypes, which is one of our extension points.
Andy Seaborne: Yes, all the RDF 1.1 changes have that potential. Particularly with datatypes, which is one of our extension points. ←
15:18:13 <LeeF> Was it an error in SPARQL 1.0 or an empty sting?
Lee Feigenbaum: Was it an error in SPARQL 1.0 or an empty string? ←
15:18:19 <LeeF> s/sting/string
15:18:36 <sandro> andy: THe change to simple literals, having xs:string is also like this.
Andy Seaborne: THe change to simple literals, having xs:string is also like this. ←
15:18:39 <AndyS> error
Andy Seaborne: error ←
15:19:13 <sandro> axel: two observable changes. plain literals with and without language tags.
Axel Polleres: two observable changes. plain literals with and without language tags. ←
15:19:15 <LeeF> I'm comfortable making a change that goes from error --> proper semantics -- I think that's consistent with SPARQL's extension mechanism in general
Lee Feigenbaum: I'm comfortable making a change that goes from error --> proper semantics -- I think that's consistent with SPARQL's extension mechanism in general ←
15:19:43 <Olivier_> The problem is that rdf:LangString is not a definitive decision in a final REC, so it may change ?
Olivier Corby: The problem is that rdf:LangString is not a definitive decision in a final REC, so it may change ? ←
15:19:45 <chimezie> I would concur to those who understand this better than me
Chimezie Ogbuji: I would defer to those who understand this better than me ←
15:19:52 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?
Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:19:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei, MattPerry, AxelPolleres, [Sophia], LeeF, AndyS, pgearon, chimezie (muted), sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see kasei, MattPerry, AxelPolleres, [Sophia], LeeF, AndyS, pgearon, chimezie (muted), sandro ←
15:20:02 <chimezie> s/concur/defer
15:20:02 <pgearon> +q
Paul Gearon: +q ←
15:20:05 <LeeF> Olivier_, I do share that concern... it's a little risky
Lee Feigenbaum: Olivier_, I do share that concern... it's a little risky ←
15:20:51 <sandro> lee: there is some risk of RDF WG changing its mind
Lee Feigenbaum: there is some risk of RDF WG changing its mind ←
15:21:05 <sandro> andy: either way we're a bit stuck.
Andy Seaborne: either way we're a bit stuck. ←
15:21:12 <sandro> andy: it's a no win situation
Andy Seaborne: it's a no win situation ←
15:21:38 <AxelPolleres_> Can we ask the RDF WG at least to make some formal resolution for the URI, or is that alrady there?
Axel Polleres: Can we ask the RDF WG at least to make some formal resolution for the URI, or is that alrady there? ←
15:21:43 <sandro> lee: We could just put a note in about what we expect.
Lee Feigenbaum: We could just put a note in about what we expect. ←
15:21:52 <kasei> if we were divergent from the eventual rdf1.1 spec, though, implementors could still do extensions to align.
Gregory Williams: if we were divergent from the eventual rdf1.1 spec, though, implementors could still do extensions to align. ←
15:22:34 <sandro> axel: we seem fine with xs:string...
Axel Polleres: we seem fine with xs:string... ←
15:22:37 <sandro> andy: that's not a change
Andy Seaborne: that's not a change ←
15:22:50 <sandro> andy: It was already in SPARQL 1.9
Andy Seaborne: It was already in SPARQL 1.0 ←
15:22:58 <sandro> s/1.9/1.0/
15:23:14 <AxelPolleres_> Alternative 1: return an error
Axel Polleres: Alternative 1: return an error ←
15:23:36 <LeeF> DATATYPE("foo"@en)
Lee Feigenbaum: DATATYPE("foo"@en) ←
15:23:38 <AxelPolleres_> Alternative 2: return rdf:LangString
Axel Polleres: Alternative 2: return rdf:LangString ←
15:23:47 <sandro> 2
2 ←
15:23:48 <LeeF> 2
Lee Feigenbaum: 2 ←
15:24:05 <LeeF> 2 (with note is good)
Lee Feigenbaum: 2 (with note is good) ←
15:24:23 <sandro> andy: Don't hide it. Put a note in the spec about the change.
Andy Seaborne: Don't hide it. Put a note in the spec about the change. ←
15:24:27 <LeeF> Don't think somewhere else would be "hiding", but still happy to just include it
Lee Feigenbaum: Don't think somewhere else would be "hiding", but still happy to just include it ←
15:24:27 <AndyS> Alternative 3: as alt 2 with a note about the change
Andy Seaborne: Alternative 3: as alt 2 with a note about the change ←
15:24:43 <sandro> axel: We could use "AT RISK" so we can drop it during CR.
Axel Polleres: We could use "AT RISK" so we can drop it during CR. ←
15:24:54 <AxelPolleres_> 2 (mark explicitly at risk)
Axel Polleres: 2 (mark explicitly at risk) ←
15:24:58 <MattPerry> 1
Matthew Perry: 1 ←
15:24:58 <chimezie> which alternative is at risk?
Chimezie Ogbuji: which alternative is at risk? ←
15:25:17 <chimezie> 2
Chimezie Ogbuji: 2 ←
15:25:19 <AndyS> 2 or 3
Andy Seaborne: 2 or 3 ←
15:25:22 <Olivier_> 2
Olivier Corby: 2 ←
15:25:27 <kasei> 0
15:25:40 <sandro> sandro: Yeah, I think "AT RISK" can say datatype URI may change.
Sandro Hawke: Yeah, I think "AT RISK" can say datatype URI may change. ←
15:26:24 <sandro> MattPerry: This is a mild preference, toward letting implementors do the extension, but I wouldn't lie in the road over this, no.
Matthew Perry: This is a mild preference, toward letting implementors do the extension, but I wouldn't lie in the road over this, no. ←
15:26:31 <AxelPolleres_> direction seems to be to go for Alternative 2 with an AT RISK note.
Axel Polleres: direction seems to be to go for Alternative 2 with an AT RISK note. ←
15:26:41 <sandro> axel: sound like: we'll go with alternative 2, with an AT RISK note.
Axel Polleres: sound like: we'll go with alternative 2, with an AT RISK note. ←
15:26:50 <Zakim> +??P2
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2 ←
15:27:24 <sandro> axel: Any more about Query document? How close is it to review-ready.
Axel Polleres: Any more about Query document? How close is it to review-ready. ←
15:27:29 <AxelPolleres_> topic: query
15:27:32 <sandro> andy: I'm working through the list of work items.
Andy Seaborne: I'm working through the list of work items. ←
15:27:49 <sandro> steve: someone spotted an order consistency problem
Steve Harris: someone spotted an order consistency problem ←
15:28:04 <sandro> steve: mismatch between my head and [something].
Steve Harris: mismatch between my head and [something]. ←
15:28:18 <sandro> axel: Reviewable by next telecon?
Axel Polleres: Reviewable by next telecon? ←
15:28:26 <sandro> steve: I'm aiming for it, but ... 50/50.
Steve Harris: I'm aiming for it, but ... 50/50. ←
15:28:36 <AndyS> Unlikely on my part.
Andy Seaborne: Unlikely on my part. ←
15:28:45 <AxelPolleres_> we aim at reviewable state by next Telco?
Axel Polleres: we aim at reviewable state by next Telco? ←
15:28:58 <bglimm> I plan to review the non-algebra sections tomorrow. Is that ok (sorry, only IRC)
Birte Glimm: I plan to review the non-algebra sections tomorrow. Is that ok (sorry, only IRC) ←
15:29:00 <sandro> axel: Birte will review in parallel, in order to have a chance to vote within 2 weeks. Okay?
Axel Polleres: Birte will review in parallel, in order to have a chance to vote within 2 weeks. Okay? ←
15:29:26 <pgearon> q-
Paul Gearon: q- ←
15:29:26 <kasei> yes
Gregory Williams: yes ←
15:29:26 <AndyS> bglimm - doc not finished, hopefully local changes only but several to do.
Andy Seaborne: bglimm - doc not finished, hopefully local changes only but several to do. ←
15:29:40 <bglimm> ok, then I better wait
Birte Glimm: ok, then I better wait ←
15:29:47 <sandro> axel: Greg, can you start reviewing?
Axel Polleres: Greg, can you start reviewing? ←
15:29:52 <sandro> kasei: Whenever it's ready
Gregory Williams: Whenever it's ready ←
15:30:01 <bglimm> or you send a list naming the sections that are ready
Birte Glimm: or you send a list naming the sections that are ready ←
15:30:27 <swh> Zakim, who's on the phone?
Steve Harris: Zakim, who's on the phone? ←
15:30:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei, MattPerry, AxelPolleres, [Sophia], LeeF, AndyS, pgearon, chimezie (muted), sandro, ??P2
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see kasei, MattPerry, AxelPolleres, [Sophia], LeeF, AndyS, pgearon, chimezie (muted), sandro, ??P2 ←
15:30:33 <swh> Zakim, ??P2 is me
Steve Harris: Zakim, ??P2 is me ←
15:30:33 <Zakim> +swh; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +swh; got it ←
15:30:53 <sandro> topic: Overview, Fed pubs
15:31:01 <sandro> axel: Docs are ready.
Axel Polleres: Docs are ready. ←
15:31:55 <sandro> sandro: I think we can publish today. I might need a little help.
Sandro Hawke: I think we can publish today. I might need a little help. ←
15:32:20 <sandro> sandro: I'll do my best.
Sandro Hawke: I'll do my best. ←
15:32:36 <sandro> axel: announcing them?
Axel Polleres: announcing them? ←
15:33:28 <sandro> axel: wait for it on w3.org, then re-announce as you like
Axel Polleres: wait for it on w3.org, then re-announce as you like ←
15:34:01 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:34:01 <Zakim> chimezie should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: chimezie should no longer be muted ←
15:34:05 <sandro> topic: graph store protocol
15:34:25 <sandro> axel: I think this is ready? we just need feedback from all the commenters.
Axel Polleres: I think this is ready? we just need feedback from all the commenters. ←
15:34:49 <sandro> chimezie: I only need to followup with people with non-substantive comment, and inconclusive comments.
Chimezie Ogbuji: I only need to followup with people with non-substantive comment, and inconclusive comments. ←
15:35:16 <sandro> chimezie: working through them, then it'll be ready for review
Chimezie Ogbuji: working through them, then it'll be ready for review ←
15:35:33 <sandro> axel: Send mail to list when it's ready to review. Then Andy and Sandro will review
Axel Polleres: Send mail to list when it's ready to review. Then Andy and Sandro will review ←
15:35:41 <sandro> chimezie: okay
Chimezie Ogbuji: okay ←
15:36:21 <sandro> topic: Service Description
15:36:34 <sandro> axel: I didn't find time to do my review yet.
Axel Polleres: I didn't find time to do my review yet. ←
15:37:07 <sandro> (axel having IRC problems.)
(axel having IRC problems.) ←
15:37:26 <sandro> topic: ENtailment Regimes
15:37:38 <sandro> axel: Birte says second review by Markus Kr.
Axel Polleres: Birte says second review by Markus Kr. ←
15:37:44 <sandro> topic: Update
15:37:52 <bglimm> Yes, Markus will review
Birte Glimm: Yes, Markus will review ←
15:37:52 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall#Update
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall#Update ←
15:37:54 <sandro> axel: post-last-call page says some things have been done
Axel Polleres: post-last-call page says some things have been done ←
15:38:22 <bglimm> I've send out replies to Michael Schneider last week, but haven't received feedback yet
Birte Glimm: I've send out replies to Michael Schneider last week, but haven't received feedback yet ←
15:39:20 <sandro> axel: have one review; document is close to reviewable.
Axel Polleres: have one review; document is close to reviewable. ←
15:39:31 <sandro> axel: second reviewer = Matt.
Axel Polleres: second reviewer = Matt. ←
15:39:40 <sandro> MattPerry: I'll wait for the next version
Matthew Perry: I'll wait for the next version ←
15:39:49 <sandro> topic: Protocol
15:39:53 <AndyS> pgearon - comments RC-4 and DB-4 -- have had time to look/complete the update parts of the draft response?
Andy Seaborne: pgearon - comments RC-4 and DB-4 -- have had time to look/complete the update parts of the draft response? ←
15:40:12 <sandro> lee: Greg and I have done most of what needs to be done; document is ready to review.
Lee Feigenbaum: Greg and I have done most of what needs to be done; document is ready to review. ←
15:40:39 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: AndyS to review protocol
ACTION: AndyS to review protocol ←
15:40:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-559 - Review protocol [on Andy Seaborne - due 2011-11-22].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-559 - Review protocol [on Andy Seaborne - due 2011-11-22]. ←
15:40:52 <sandro> lee: there are three open protocol issues, on tracker -- once reviewers have looked over them, we can close those issues next week, based on what's in current document.
Lee Feigenbaum: there are three open protocol issues, on tracker -- once reviewers have looked over them, we can close those issues next week, based on what's in current document. ←
15:41:05 <sandro> axel: reviews by Andy, and ...?
Axel Polleres: reviews by Andy, and ...? ←
15:41:25 <pgearon> AndyS: not sure. I've done a number of things lately, and I don't recall if those are in the mix. Will get back to you as soon as I'm done with the review from Olivier
Andy Seaborne: not sure. I've done a number of things lately, and I don't recall if those are in the mix. Will get back to you as soon as I'm done with the review from Olivier [ Scribe Assist by Paul Gearon ] ←
15:41:30 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me ←
15:41:30 <Zakim> chimezie should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: chimezie should now be muted ←
15:41:43 <swh> what's the deadline?
Steve Harris: what's the deadline? ←
15:42:03 <AndyS> pgearon - I'll see updates to the wiki via RSS.
Andy Seaborne: pgearon - I'll see updates to the wiki via RSS. ←
15:42:23 <AxelPolleres> Olivier, Carlos, any chance foryou to take a second review on board?
Axel Polleres: Olivier, Carlos, any chance foryou to take a second review on board? ←
15:42:38 <Olivier_> Yes
Olivier Corby: Yes ←
15:42:38 <sandro> SteveH: I can't morally do it until I'm done with Query. Maybe I can rope someone here into doing it.
Steve Harris: I can't morally do it until I'm done with Query. Maybe I can rope someone here into doing it. ←
15:42:41 <LeeF> ACTION: Steve to make a best effort attempt to review or delegate a review for protocol
ACTION: Steve to make a best effort attempt to review or delegate a review for protocol ←
15:42:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-560 - Make a best effort attempt to review or delegate a review for protocol [on Steve Harris - due 2011-11-22].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-560 - Make a best effort attempt to review or delegate a review for protocol [on Steve Harris - due 2011-11-22]. ←
15:42:53 <LeeF> ACTION: Olivier to review SPARQL protocol document
ACTION: Olivier to review SPARQL protocol document ←
15:42:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-561 - Review SPARQL protocol document [on Olivier Corby - due 2011-11-22].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-561 - Review SPARQL protocol document [on Olivier Corby - due 2011-11-22]. ←
15:43:15 <sandro> lee: Greg and I will send an email later today saying when it's totally ready for review.
Lee Feigenbaum: Greg and I will send an email later today saying when it's totally ready for review. ←
15:43:28 <sandro> topic: JSON Results Format
15:43:43 <sandro> axel: We said this doesn't need review. ready for CR.
Axel Polleres: We said this doesn't need review. ready for CR. ←
15:43:49 <sandro> topic: Comments
15:44:06 <sandro> axel: Nothing substantial new. Please update the wiki page as you handle comments.
Axel Polleres: Nothing substantial new. Please update the wiki page as you handle comments. ←
15:44:25 <sandro> topic: Any Other Business
15:45:17 <sandro> axel: Paul, was there anything else you needed to discuss?
Axel Polleres: Paul, was there anything else you needed to discuss? ←
15:45:53 <sandro> pgearon: One thing that came up was the LOAD operation, which Olivier asked about. If RDF 1.1 has a syntax for multiple graphs, will the LOAD command need that.
Paul Gearon: One thing that came up was the LOAD operation, which Olivier asked about. If RDF 1.1 has a syntax for multiple graphs, will the LOAD command need that. ←
15:46:00 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0145.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0145.html ←
15:46:27 <sandro> axel: which comment...?
Axel Polleres: which comment...? ←
15:46:37 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0143.html Olivier's review
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0143.html Olivier's review ←
15:47:58 <AndyS> Fuseki (will be) implementing loading quads if LOAD <foo> and no INTO -- user request and expectation.
Andy Seaborne: Fuseki (will be) implementing loading quads if LOAD <foo> and no INTO -- user request and expectation. ←
15:48:06 <Zakim> -chimezie
Zakim IRC Bot: -chimezie ←
15:48:09 <sandro> pgearon: Not taking into account this direction of RDF 1.1 is a cause for concern for me
Paul Gearon: Not taking into account this direction of RDF 1.1 is a cause for concern for me ←
15:48:17 <sandro> axel: This would rather go into a note
Axel Polleres: This would rather go into a note ←
15:48:45 <sandro> pgearon: Also, the additional copy/move shortcuts. At Risk.
Paul Gearon: Also, the additional copy/move shortcuts. At Risk. ←
15:48:50 <AxelPolleres> COPY, ADD MOVE... still marked as AT RISK
Axel Polleres: COPY, ADD MOVE... still marked as AT RISK ←
15:49:07 <LeeF> I feel the same way I felt all along
Lee Feigenbaum: I feel the same way I felt all along ←
15:49:08 <sandro> AxelPolleres: Only feedback was to keep it.
Axel Polleres: Only feedback was to keep it. ←
15:49:16 <LeeF> Keep it AT RISK and see who does / does not implement it
Lee Feigenbaum: Keep it AT RISK and see who does / does not implement it ←
15:49:43 <sandro> LeeF: If people implement it, we'll keep it.
Lee Feigenbaum: If people implement it, we'll keep it. ←
15:50:21 <sandro> lee: "At Risk" is about implementation exerpeince, during CR.
Lee Feigenbaum: "At Risk" is about implementation exerpeince, during CR. ←
15:50:49 <sandro> AndyS: We've had feedback already; why not decide.
Andy Seaborne: We've had feedback already; why not decide. ←
15:51:16 <sandro> lee: We're waiting to see how it shows up in implementation report during CR.
Lee Feigenbaum: We're waiting to see how it shows up in implementation report during CR. ←
15:51:27 <sandro> SteveH: We've implemented it, as has Andy.
Steve Harris: We've implemented it, as has Andy. ←
15:51:27 <AxelPolleres> Andy, Steve have implemented it.
Axel Polleres: Andy, Steve have implemented it. ←
15:51:31 <sandro> Lee: We have not.
Lee Feigenbaum: We have not. ←
15:51:58 <AxelPolleres> (Discussion whether or not to leave the AT RISK note in)
Axel Polleres: (Discussion whether or not to leave the AT RISK note in) ←
15:52:11 <AxelPolleres> sandro: let's strive for only as many AT RISK notes as we need.
Sandro Hawke: let's strive for only as many AT RISK notes as we need. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
15:52:47 <pgearon> +1 to remove AT RISK note
Paul Gearon: +1 to remove AT RISK note ←
15:52:58 <AndyS> Note it is the grammar in rq25
Andy Seaborne: Note it is the grammar in rq25 ←
15:53:01 <swh> +1 -- IFF there's 3+ implementations, -1 otherwise
Steve Harris: +1 -- IFF there's 3+ implementations, -1 otherwise ←
15:53:04 <MattPerry> +1
Matthew Perry: +1 ←
15:53:05 <LeeF> -1
Lee Feigenbaum: -1 ←
15:53:09 <Olivier_> +1
Olivier Corby: +1 ←
15:53:10 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
15:53:13 <kasei> -1
Gregory Williams: -1 ←
15:53:14 <sandro> 0 insufficient data
0 insufficient data ←
15:53:19 <AxelPolleres> strawpoll: +1 to remove the at risk note at http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-update/#copy
STRAWPOLL: +1 to remove the at risk note at http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-update/#copy ←
15:53:29 <AxelPolleres> 0
Axel Polleres: 0 ←
15:53:50 <swh> pgearon, have you implemented it?
Steve Harris: pgearon, have you implemented it? ←
15:54:03 <pgearon> no. Have only just started on Update implementation
Paul Gearon: no. Have only just started on Update implementation ←
15:54:11 <pgearon> yes
Paul Gearon: yes ←
15:54:11 <swh> then I'm -1
Steve Harris: then I'm -1 ←
15:55:28 <AxelPolleres> Has sesame implemented it?
Axel Polleres: Has sesame implemented it? ←
15:55:31 <LeeF> I think Anzo does implement it
Lee Feigenbaum: I think Anzo does implement it ←
15:56:14 <LeeF> 3 on the call
Lee Feigenbaum: 3 on the call ←
15:56:22 <LeeF> including 1 who thinks it's a bad idea anyway :D
Lee Feigenbaum: including 1 who thinks it's a bad idea anyway :D ←
15:56:50 <sandro> axel: Is that an objection Lee?
Axel Polleres: Is that an objection Lee? ←
15:57:15 <sandro> Lee: Turns we did implement it, so that's three impls on the call now.
Lee Feigenbaum: Turns we did implement it, so that's three impls on the call now. ←
15:57:29 <sandro> lee: no objection
Lee Feigenbaum: no objection ←
15:58:13 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: remove the AT RISK note for COPY, ADD, MOVE in Update
PROPOSED: remove the AT RISK note for COPY, ADD, MOVE in Update ←
15:58:15 <swh> seconded
Steve Harris: seconded ←
15:58:17 <sandro> +1
+1 ←
15:58:22 <AxelPolleres> +1
Axel Polleres: +1 ←
15:58:23 <Olivier_> +1
Olivier Corby: +1 ←
15:58:24 <kasei> 0
15:58:27 <MattPerry> +1
Matthew Perry: +1 ←
15:58:35 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
15:58:38 <LeeF> 0
Lee Feigenbaum: 0 ←
15:59:07 <pgearon> +1
Paul Gearon: +1 ←
15:59:31 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: remove the AT RISK note for COPY, ADD, MOVE in Update (7 pro, 2 abstentions, no objections)
RESOLVED: remove the AT RISK note for COPY, ADD, MOVE in Update (7 pro, 2 abstentions, no objections) ←
15:59:55 <AxelPolleres> adjourned
Axel Polleres: adjourned ←
15:59:55 <sandro> ADJOURNED
ADJOURNED ←
15:59:56 <Zakim> -LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF ←
15:59:57 <MattPerry> bye
Matthew Perry: bye ←
15:59:58 <Zakim> -[Sophia]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[Sophia] ←
15:59:59 <Zakim> -swh
Zakim IRC Bot: -swh ←
16:00:00 <Zakim> -kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei ←
16:00:03 <Zakim> -sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -sandro ←
16:00:04 <Zakim> -pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon ←
16:00:09 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: -AxelPolleres ←
16:00:10 <Zakim> -MattPerry
Zakim IRC Bot: -MattPerry ←
16:00:26 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public
Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make records public ←
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