SPARQL Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 08 November 2011

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-11-08
Seen
Andy Seaborne, Axel Polleres, Birte Glimm, Carlos Buil Aranda, Chimezie Ogbuji, Gregory Williams, Lee Feigenbaum, Matthew Perry, Olivier Corby, Sandro Hawke, Steve Harris
Chair
Axel Polleres
Scribe
Matthew Perry
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-11-01 link
Topics
14:57:37 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/11/08-sparql-irc

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14:57:39 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world

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14:57:41 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be 77277

14:57:41 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes

14:57:42 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
14:57:42 <trackbot> Date: 08 November 2011
14:59:24 <swh> Zakim, who's on the phone?

Steve Harris: Zakim, who's on the phone?

14:59:24 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, swh

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, swh

14:59:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see swh, Zakim, RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, AndyS, Olivier, LeeF, bglimm, SteveH, ericP, ya, trackbot, iv_an_ru, sandro, kasei, NickH

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see swh, Zakim, RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, AndyS, Olivier, LeeF, bglimm, SteveH, ericP, ya, trackbot, iv_an_ru, sandro, kasei, NickH

14:59:34 <AxelPolleres> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-11-08
15:00:02 <kasei> bah. zakim isn't liking 77277 for me again.

Gregory Williams: bah. zakim isn't liking 77277 for me again.

15:00:04 <LeeF> zakim, this will be SPARQL

Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, this will be SPARQL

15:00:04 <Zakim> ok, LeeF; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start now

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, LeeF; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start now

15:00:17 <LeeF> kasei, try doing it in binary

Lee Feigenbaum: kasei, try doing it in binary

15:00:30 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started

15:00:56 <Zakim> +??P8

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8

15:01:03 <swh> Zakim, ??P8 is me

Steve Harris: Zakim, ??P8 is me

15:01:04 <Zakim> + +43.517.073.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +43.517.073.aaaa

15:01:08 <Zakim> +swh; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +swh; got it

15:01:21 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.276.aabb

15:01:26 <kasei> Zakim, aabb is me

Gregory Williams: Zakim, aabb is me

15:01:27 <Zakim> +kasei; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +kasei; got it

15:01:38 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:01:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see swh, AxelPolleres, kasei

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see swh, AxelPolleres, kasei

15:01:39 <Zakim> + +1.617.553.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.617.553.aacc

15:01:43 <LeeF> zakim, aacc is me

Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, aacc is me

15:01:43 <Zakim> +LeeF; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +LeeF; got it

15:01:44 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.603.897.aadd

15:01:58 <MattPerry> zakim, aadd is me

Matthew Perry: zakim, aadd is me

15:02:02 <Zakim> +MattPerry; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MattPerry; got it

15:02:39 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:02:39 <swh> Zakim, who's on the phone?

Steve Harris: Zakim, who's on the phone?

15:02:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see swh, AxelPolleres, kasei, LeeF, MattPerry

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see swh, AxelPolleres, kasei, LeeF, MattPerry

15:02:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see swh, AxelPolleres, kasei, LeeF, MattPerry

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see swh, AxelPolleres, kasei, LeeF, MattPerry

15:03:52 <chimezie> Zakim, what is the passcode?

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, what is the passcode?

15:03:52 <Zakim> the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), chimezie

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), chimezie

15:04:06 <Zakim> +OlivierCorby

Zakim IRC Bot: +OlivierCorby

15:04:30 <Zakim> + +1.216.368.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.216.368.aaee

15:05:00 <AxelPolleres> sandro, are you dialing in?

Axel Polleres: sandro, are you dialing in?

15:05:11 <AxelPolleres> chair: AxelPolleres
15:05:14 <Zakim> +??P24

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P24

15:05:21 <bglimm> Zakim, ??P24 is me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, ??P24 is me

15:05:21 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm; got it

15:05:26 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

15:05:26 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted

15:05:32 <bglimm> echo is me

Birte Glimm: echo is me

15:05:33 <chimezie> Zakim, +1.216.368.aaee is me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, +1.216.368.aaee is me

15:05:33 <Zakim> +chimezie; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +chimezie; got it

15:05:42 <bglimm> I always have to mute myself

Birte Glimm: I always have to mute myself

15:05:50 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, pick a victim?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, pick a victim?

15:05:50 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, AxelPolleres.

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, AxelPolleres.

15:06:00 <AxelPolleres> zakim, pick a victim

Axel Polleres: zakim, pick a victim

15:06:00 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose MattPerry

Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose MattPerry

15:06:16 <AxelPolleres> scribe: MattPerry

(Scribe set to Matthew Perry)

15:06:44 <MattPerry> topic: Admin

1. Admin

15:06:47 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-11-01

PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-11-01

15:06:52 <Zakim> +??P26

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P26

15:07:08 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-11-01

RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-11-01

15:07:19 <AndyS> zakim, ??P26 is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P26 is me

15:07:19 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it

15:08:02 <AxelPolleres> zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: zakim, who is on the phone?

15:08:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see swh, AxelPolleres, kasei, LeeF, MattPerry, OlivierCorby, chimezie, bglimm (muted), AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see swh, AxelPolleres, kasei, LeeF, MattPerry, OlivierCorby, chimezie, bglimm (muted), AndyS

15:08:29 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: anything from RDF working group?

Axel Polleres: anything from RDF working group?

15:08:35 <AndyS> Nothing from RDF-WG

Andy Seaborne: Nothing from RDF-WG

15:08:52 <MattPerry> Topic: publication status

2. publication status

15:08:55 <AxelPolleres> topic: Current publication round (fed query and Overview)

3. Current publication round (fed query and Overview)

15:09:15 <Zakim> +??P27

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P27

15:09:23 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: tentative publication date for overview Nov. 10

Axel Polleres: tentative publication date for overview Nov. 10

15:10:38 <MattPerry> ... should use same date for fed query

... should use same date for fed query

15:10:58 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

15:11:05 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me

15:11:05 <Zakim> chimezie should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: chimezie should now be muted

15:11:10 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel to follow up with sandro on final publication of Overview and Fed query at earliest possible date (tentatively 10 november)

ACTION: axel to follow up with sandro on final publication of Overview and Fed query at earliest possible date (tentatively 10 november)

15:11:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-545 - Follow up with sandro on final publication of Overview and Fed query at earliest possible date (tentatively 10 november) [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-11-15].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-545 - Follow up with sandro on final publication of Overview and Fed query at earliest possible date (tentatively 10 november) [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-11-15].

15:12:00 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: sandro, can you do anything to help publication on the 10th

Axel Polleres: sandro, can you do anything to help publication on the 10th

15:12:07 <MattPerry> Sandro: yes

Sandro Hawke: yes

15:12:36 <AxelPolleres> topic: Next publication round

4. Next publication round

15:13:18 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall

15:13:21 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: Idea is to get next publication round as second last call or candidate recommendation

Axel Polleres: Idea is to get next publication round as second last call or candidate recommendation

15:13:58 <MattPerry> ... want to go through each publication that is already in last call and assign reviewers to publish again by end of November

... want to go through each publication that is already in last call and assign reviewers to publish again by end of November

15:14:10 <MattPerry> subtopic: query

4.1. query

15:14:44 <MattPerry> swh: have about 4 hrs of changes to make

Steve Harris: have about 4 hrs of changes to make

15:14:54 <MattPerry> ... just editorial work. hoping to be done this week

... just editorial work. hoping to be done this week

15:15:21 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: is it ready for review?

Axel Polleres: is it ready for review?

15:15:40 <MattPerry> swh: prefer review after changes

Steve Harris: prefer review after changes

15:15:59 <MattPerry> AndyS: BGP bind and escaping rules remaining

Andy Seaborne: BGP bind and escaping rules remaining

15:16:29 <bglimm> I would volunteer to do Query again

Birte Glimm: I would volunteer to do Query again

15:16:31 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: lets go ahead and get 2 reviewers for each document

Axel Polleres: lets go ahead and get 2 reviewers for each document

15:16:50 <MattPerry> AndyS: cannot complete changes this week

Andy Seaborne: cannot complete changes this week

15:17:00 <kasei> I can review query.

Gregory Williams: I can review query.

15:17:08 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: reviewers?

Axel Polleres: reviewers?

15:17:31 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: greg to review query 2nd LC as soon as it's ready

ACTION: greg to review query 2nd LC as soon as it's ready

15:17:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-546 - Review query 2nd LC as soon as it's ready [on Gregory Williams - due 2011-11-15].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-546 - Review query 2nd LC as soon as it's ready [on Gregory Williams - due 2011-11-15].

15:17:52 <bglimm> I volunteered already

Birte Glimm: I volunteered already

15:18:42 <MattPerry> Sandro: I can review something

Sandro Hawke: I can review something

15:18:50 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: birte to review query 2nd LC as soon as it's ready

ACTION: birte to review query 2nd LC as soon as it's ready

15:18:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-547 - Review query 2nd LC as soon as it's ready [on Birte Glimm - due 2011-11-15].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-547 - Review query 2nd LC as soon as it's ready [on Birte Glimm - due 2011-11-15].

15:18:53 <AndyS> Please review as hard as time permits. Practically, this is the last chance to fix anything.

Andy Seaborne: Please review as hard as time permits. Practically, this is the last chance to fix anything.

15:19:08 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me

15:19:08 <Zakim> chimezie should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: chimezie should no longer be muted

15:19:10 <MattPerry> subtopic: graph store protocol

4.2. graph store protocol

15:19:26 <MattPerry> chimezie: have some minor changes to make in the next day or two

Chimezie Ogbuji: have some minor changes to make in the next day or two

15:19:36 <MattPerry> ... would like to complete these before reviews

... would like to complete these before reviews

15:20:01 <Zakim> -??P27

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P27

15:20:02 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: 2 more reviewers?

Axel Polleres: 2 more reviewers?

15:20:10 <Zakim> +??P3

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3

15:20:15 <cbuilara> zakim, P3 is me

Carlos Buil Aranda: zakim, P3 is me

15:20:15 <Zakim> sorry, cbuilara, I do not recognize a party named 'P3'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, cbuilara, I do not recognize a party named 'P3'

15:20:24 <MattPerry> chimezie: comments should be addressed in next version

Chimezie Ogbuji: comments should be addressed in next version

15:20:24 <cbuilara> zakim, ??P3 is me

Carlos Buil Aranda: zakim, ??P3 is me

15:20:24 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cbuilara; got it

15:21:18 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: make sure commenters are happy with responses before 2nd last call or candidate rec

Axel Polleres: make sure commenters are happy with responses before 2nd last call or candidate rec

15:21:40 <AxelPolleres> Sandro: point commenters to changes in editor's draft

Sandro Hawke: point commenters to changes in editor's draft [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

15:21:43 <AndyS> Will review but can't guarantee when yet.

Andy Seaborne: Will review but can't guarantee when yet.

15:22:05 <swh> I'd like to review, but can't promise

Steve Harris: I'd like to review, but can't promise

15:22:21 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: can we go to candidate rec with the next version

Axel Polleres: can we go to candidate rec with the next version

15:22:54 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: AndyS Review Graph store protocol for 2nd LC/CR(?) as soon as it's ready.

ACTION: AndyS Review Graph store protocol for 2nd LC/CR(?) as soon as it's ready.

15:22:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-548 - Review Graph store protocol for 2nd LC/CR(?) as soon as it's ready. [on Andy Seaborne - due 2011-11-15].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-548 - Review Graph store protocol for 2nd LC/CR(?) as soon as it's ready. [on Andy Seaborne - due 2011-11-15].

15:23:02 <MattPerry> AndyS: i saw an email with substantive change requests

Andy Seaborne: i saw an email with substantive change requests

15:23:20 <MattPerry> chimezie: wondered if some changes were substantive, but decided they were not

Chimezie Ogbuji: wondered if some changes were substantive, but decided they were not

15:24:11 <MattPerry> ... there was one major change request that i am not doing

... there was one major change request that i am not doing

15:24:52 <MattPerry> ... one issue is use of RDF WG terminology

... one issue is use of RDF WG terminology

15:25:10 <MattPerry> AndyS: probably desirable but not required becuase RDF WG terminology is not finalized

Andy Seaborne: probably desirable but not required becuase RDF WG terminology is not finalized

15:26:03 <MattPerry> chimezie: terminology change is one possible remaining substantive change

Chimezie Ogbuji: terminology change is one possible remaining substantive change

15:26:44 <MattPerry> Sandro: it may look pretty bad in 6mos to 1 yr if the terminology is incompatible

Sandro Hawke: it may look pretty bad in 6mos to 1 yr if the terminology is incompatible

15:27:18 <MattPerry> ... I don't think terminoloy change is substantive

... I don't think terminology change is substantive

15:27:37 <AxelPolleres> Axel: The group agrees that Graph Store protocol can go ahead as CR, unless there are severe new comments coming in? (if terminology changes, we should be able to argue that this is not substantative?)

Axel Polleres: The group agrees that Graph Store protocol can go ahead as CR, unless there are severe new comments coming in? (if terminology changes, we should be able to argue that this is not substantative?) [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

15:27:38 <MattPerry> s/terminoloy/terminology
15:28:02 <MattPerry> s/terminoloy/terminology/
15:28:05 <AndyS> 2LC is no big deal.

Andy Seaborne: 2LC is no big deal.

15:28:21 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: still need 2nd reviewer

Axel Polleres: still need 2nd reviewer

15:28:29 <MattPerry> Sandro: I can do this one

Sandro Hawke: I can do this one

15:28:42 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: sandro to Review Graph store protocol for 2nd LC/CR(?) as soon as it's ready.

ACTION: sandro to Review Graph store protocol for 2nd LC/CR(?) as soon as it's ready.

15:28:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-549 - Review Graph store protocol for 2nd LC/CR(?) as soon as it's ready. [on Sandro Hawke - due 2011-11-15].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-549 - Review Graph store protocol for 2nd LC/CR(?) as soon as it's ready. [on Sandro Hawke - due 2011-11-15].

15:28:56 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me

15:28:56 <Zakim> chimezie should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: chimezie should now be muted

15:28:57 <MattPerry> subtopic: service description

4.3. service description

15:29:10 <MattPerry> kasei: I think everything has been dealt with

Gregory Williams: I think everything has been dealt with

15:29:39 <MattPerry> ... should go to 2nd last call

... should go to 2nd last call

15:29:46 <AxelPolleres> ... we changed the name of a couple of terms.

Axel Polleres: ... we changed the name of a couple of terms.

15:30:00 <MattPerry> ... ready for review now

... ready for review now

15:30:13 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: volunteers for review

Axel Polleres: volunteers for review

15:30:23 <chimezie> i can review as well

Chimezie Ogbuji: i can review as well

15:30:32 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: I can review it

Axel Polleres: I can review it

15:30:41 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to review service description for 2nd LC

ACTION: Axel to review service description for 2nd LC

15:30:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-550 - Review service description for 2nd LC [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-11-15].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-550 - Review service description for 2nd LC [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-11-15].

15:31:01 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:31:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see swh, AxelPolleres, kasei, LeeF, MattPerry, OlivierCorby, chimezie (muted), bglimm (muted), AndyS, Sandro, cbuilara

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see swh, AxelPolleres, kasei, LeeF, MattPerry, OlivierCorby, chimezie (muted), bglimm (muted), AndyS, Sandro, cbuilara

15:31:09 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me

15:31:09 <Zakim> chimezie should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: chimezie should no longer be muted

15:31:43 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Chime  to review service description for 2nd LC

ACTION: Chime to review service description for 2nd LC

15:31:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-551 -  to review service description for 2nd LC [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2011-11-15].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-551 - to review service description for 2nd LC [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2011-11-15].

15:31:54 <MattPerry> subtopic: entailment regimes

4.4. entailment regimes

15:31:55 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me

15:31:55 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted

15:32:23 <MattPerry> bglimm: document is ready for review but should go to 2nd last call because we changed D-Entailment regime

Birte Glimm: document is ready for review but should go to 2nd last call because we changed D-Entailment regime

15:32:48 <MattPerry> ... all comments are addressed and have been sent out

... all comments are addressed and have been sent out

15:33:01 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: reviewers?

Axel Polleres: reviewers?

15:33:03 <bglimm> Zakim, mute

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute

15:33:03 <Zakim> I don't understand 'mute', bglimm

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'mute', bglimm

15:33:07 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

15:33:07 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted

15:33:19 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, pick a victim

Axel Polleres: Zakim, pick a victim

15:33:19 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose AxelPolleres

Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose AxelPolleres

15:33:44 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: I can give it a try

Axel Polleres: I can give it a try

15:33:52 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to review entailment regimes document.

ACTION: Axel to review entailment regimes document.

15:33:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-552 - Review entailment regimes document. [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-11-15].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-552 - Review entailment regimes document. [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-11-15].

15:34:18 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:34:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see swh, AxelPolleres, kasei, LeeF, MattPerry, OlivierCorby, chimezie, bglimm (muted), AndyS, Sandro, cbuilara

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see swh, AxelPolleres, kasei, LeeF, MattPerry, OlivierCorby, chimezie, bglimm (muted), AndyS, Sandro, cbuilara

15:34:45 <MattPerry> OlivierCorby: I can review enatilment or update

Olivier Corby: I can review enatilment or update

15:36:31 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me

15:36:31 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted

15:36:34 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: Lets keep 1 reviewer for now and try to get another next week

Axel Polleres: Lets keep 1 reviewer for now and try to get another next week

15:36:53 <MattPerry> bglimm: I can look for someone outside the WG

Birte Glimm: I can look for someone outside the WG

15:36:54 <AxelPolleres> see whether we can find a second reviewer for entailment next week, alternativelty, Birte tries to find someone from outside the WG.

Axel Polleres: see whether we can find a second reviewer for entailment next week, alternativelty, Birte tries to find someone from outside the WG.

15:37:01 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

15:37:01 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted

15:37:04 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me

15:37:04 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted

15:37:17 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

15:37:17 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted

15:37:20 <MattPerry> subtopic: update

4.5. update

15:37:33 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall#Update

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall#Update

15:37:52 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: Andy, what were you referring to about remaining items?

Axel Polleres: Andy, what were you referring to about remaining items?

15:38:31 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: will coordinate with Paul and Alex about when changes can be completed

Axel Polleres: will coordinate with Paul and Alex about when changes can be completed

15:38:40 <MattPerry> AndyS: there were some pending comments

Andy Seaborne: there were some pending comments

15:38:55 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to check http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall#Update in coordination with Paul/Alex

ACTION: Axel to check http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall#Update in coordination with Paul/Alex

15:38:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-553 - Check http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall#Update in coordination with Paul/Alex [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-11-15].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-553 - Check http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/PostLastCall#Update in coordination with Paul/Alex [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-11-15].

15:39:26 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: matthew to review Update as soon as it's ready

ACTION: matthew to review Update as soon as it's ready

15:39:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-554 - Review Update as soon as it's ready [on Matthew Perry - due 2011-11-15].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-554 - Review Update as soon as it's ready [on Matthew Perry - due 2011-11-15].

15:39:44 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: olivier to review update as soon as it's ready

ACTION: olivier to review update as soon as it's ready

15:39:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-555 - Review update as soon as it's ready [on Olivier Corby - due 2011-11-15].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-555 - Review update as soon as it's ready [on Olivier Corby - due 2011-11-15].

15:40:01 <MattPerry> subtopic: protocol

4.6. protocol

15:40:18 <MattPerry> LeeF: no progress on updating document

Lee Feigenbaum: no progress on updating document

15:40:29 <MattPerry> ... can probably be ready by next week

... can probably be ready by next week

15:40:39 <AndyS> I will review protocol.

Andy Seaborne: I will review protocol.

15:40:48 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:40:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see swh, AxelPolleres, kasei, LeeF, MattPerry, OlivierCorby, chimezie, bglimm (muted), AndyS, Sandro, cbuilara

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see swh, AxelPolleres, kasei, LeeF, MattPerry, OlivierCorby, chimezie, bglimm (muted), AndyS, Sandro, cbuilara

15:41:00 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: already ran out of reviewers on call

Axel Polleres: already ran out of reviewers on call

15:41:16 <MattPerry> LeeF: reviewers likely to find issues

Lee Feigenbaum: reviewers likely to find issues

15:41:31 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: will probably have to pick reviewers next week

Axel Polleres: will probably have to pick reviewers next week

15:41:55 <AxelPolleres> we will line up the reviewers for protocol next week.

Axel Polleres: we will line up the reviewers for protocol next week.

15:42:10 <AndyS> q+

Andy Seaborne: q+

15:42:17 <AxelPolleres> topic: comments

5. comments

15:42:40 <AndyS> q+ to ask about the JSON results format doc

Andy Seaborne: q+ to ask about the JSON results format doc

15:42:41 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: Have gotten some new comments to assign

Axel Polleres: Have gotten some new comments to assign

15:43:15 <MattPerry> ... LeeF has asked about when comments can be responded to ... hopefully this week

... LeeF has asked about when comments can be responded to ... hopefully this week

15:43:27 <AxelPolleres> comment AM-1

Axel Polleres: comment AM-1

15:43:35 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Nov/0014

Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Nov/0014

15:43:39 <MattPerry> ... New comment about HAVING clause ... anybody want it?

... New comment about HAVING clause ... anybody want it?

15:44:02 <MattPerry> AndyS: what about JSON results format doc?

Andy Seaborne: what about JSON results format doc?

15:44:16 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: did not consider it urgent for next publication round

Axel Polleres: did not consider it urgent for next publication round

15:44:58 <MattPerry> AndyS: there is no work to be done on it ... next step is CR

Andy Seaborne: there is no work to be done on it ... next step is CR

15:45:32 <MattPerry> ... only one editorial change

... only one editorial change

15:46:02 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: does not need reviewers ... it can go straight to CR

Axel Polleres: does not need reviewers ... it can go straight to CR

15:46:29 <MattPerry> ... I will move JSON results over to next round of publication

... I will move JSON results over to next round of publication

15:46:36 <AndyS> Also new comment, RC-5, which I found had been missed (LC comment)

Andy Seaborne: Also new comment, RC-5, which I found had been missed (LC comment)

15:46:50 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel to move JSON results forward to next publication round in schedule

ACTION: axel to move JSON results forward to next publication round in schedule

15:46:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-556 - Move JSON results forward to next publication round in schedule [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-11-15].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-556 - Move JSON results forward to next publication round in schedule [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-11-15].

15:47:36 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: AM-1 asking about when having clause is executed

Axel Polleres: AM-1 asking about when having clause is executed

15:47:48 <MattPerry> ... see if he understands current definition correctly

... see if he understands current definition correctly

15:48:12 <MattPerry> swh: I feel like I should do it but don't have the time

Steve Harris: I feel like I should do it but don't have the time

15:48:33 <bglimm> I can have a look

Birte Glimm: I can have a look

15:48:45 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me

15:48:45 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted

15:49:02 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Birte to addresss comment AM-1

ACTION: Birte to addresss comment AM-1

15:49:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-557 - Addresss comment AM-1 [on Birte Glimm - due 2011-11-15].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-557 - Addresss comment AM-1 [on Birte Glimm - due 2011-11-15].

15:49:03 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

15:49:03 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted

15:49:12 <bglimm> Yes

Birte Glimm: Yes

15:49:40 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: next one is DB-16 asking for a new function

Axel Polleres: next one is DB-16 asking for a new function

15:50:02 <MattPerry> ... first reaction: this is interesting but not backed up by any implementation

... first reaction: this is interesting but not backed up by any implementation

15:50:20 <MattPerry> LeeF: I think he was mainly wanting to track this for the future

Lee Feigenbaum: I think he was mainly wanting to track this for the future

15:50:46 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: Also DB-9 about prefix re-use

Axel Polleres: Also DB-9 about prefix re-use

15:50:59 <MattPerry> ... This is primarily for tracking for next time as well

... This is primarily for tracking for next time as well

15:51:09 <MattPerry> ... how do we ensure we get it tracked

... how do we ensure we get it tracked

15:51:23 <MattPerry> LeeF: we can just put it on the wiki page

Lee Feigenbaum: we can just put it on the wiki page

15:51:36 <MattPerry> AndyS: I have a problem with DB-16

Andy Seaborne: I have a problem with DB-16

15:51:43 <AxelPolleres> my proposed response for DB-9 is here, BTW: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:DB-9

Axel Polleres: my proposed response for DB-9 is here, BTW: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:DB-9

15:51:51 <swh> I agree with AndyS, it has punycode-type issues

Steve Harris: I agree with AndyS, it has punycode-type issues

15:51:59 <MattPerry> LeeF: lets just put it on a list for speed

Lee Feigenbaum: lets just put it on a list for speed

15:52:28 <MattPerry> AndyS: some groups do look at postponed issues with higher relevance

Andy Seaborne: some groups do look at postponed issues with higher relevance

15:52:56 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: also the features that were not addressed should go there to

Axel Polleres: also the features that were not addressed should go there to

15:52:59 <AndyS> This is a Turtle issue.

Andy Seaborne: This is a Turtle issue.

15:53:07 <MattPerry> Sandro: I suggest a future work page

Sandro Hawke: I suggest a future work page

15:53:08 <LeeF> "future work" sounds good to me

Lee Feigenbaum: "future work" sounds good to me

15:53:09 <swh> Or a curie issue

Steve Harris: Or a curie issue

15:53:48 <swh> Zakim, who's speaking?

Steve Harris: Zakim, who's speaking?

15:53:58 <MattPerry> AndyS: key issue: is it a starting point for the next charter

Andy Seaborne: key issue: is it a starting point for the next charter

15:53:59 <Zakim> swh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AndyS (50%), Sandro (35%)

Zakim IRC Bot: swh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AndyS (50%), Sandro (35%)

15:54:11 <AxelPolleres> XYZ to set ups a "future work" wiki page and put: postponed issues, postpones features, as well as postpones comments (e.g. DB-9, DB-16) on it.

Axel Polleres: XYZ to set ups a "future work" wiki page and put: postponed issues, postpones features, as well as postpones comments (e.g. DB-9, DB-16) on it.

15:54:47 <AndyS> same for DB-14a - its a candidate for a "heard - maybe next time" page

Andy Seaborne: same for DB-14a - its a candidate for a "heard - maybe next time" page

15:54:50 <MattPerry> AndyS: don't want last minute comments jumping into the future work section

Andy Seaborne: don't want last minute comments jumping into the future work section

15:55:22 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to discuss with lee where to put "future work"

ACTION: Axel to discuss with lee where to put "future work"

15:55:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-558 - Discuss with lee where to put "future work" [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-11-15].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-558 - Discuss with lee where to put "future work" [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-11-15].

15:55:45 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: Comment RC-5

Axel Polleres: Comment RC-5

15:55:56 <MattPerry> ... answer is that it's too late in the game

... answer is that it's too late in the game

15:56:31 <AndyS> q+ to ask to complete DB-14a with a "heard - maybe next time" page reply

Andy Seaborne: q+ to ask to complete DB-14a with a "heard - maybe next time" page reply

15:57:15 <MattPerry> AndyS: we had missed adding RC-5 to last call comments

Andy Seaborne: we had missed adding RC-5 to last call comments

15:57:41 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: anyone want to own this comment?

Axel Polleres: anyone want to own this comment?

15:58:15 <MattPerry> AndyS: you can assign it to me

Andy Seaborne: you can assign it to me

15:58:27 <MattPerry> ... it relates to David's latest one

... it relates to David's latest one

15:59:09 <MattPerry> AxelPolleres: any other business?

Axel Polleres: any other business?

15:59:24 <Zakim> -LeeF

Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF

15:59:37 <MattPerry> AndyS: can I complete DB-14a by saying "we will note it as future work"

Andy Seaborne: can I complete DB-14a by saying "we will note it as future work"

16:00:05 <AxelPolleres> DB-14a is also a good candiate for the future work page.

Axel Polleres: DB-14a is also a good candiate for the future work page.

16:00:06 <MattPerry> ... or we need to see how skolemization pans out

... or we need to see how skolemization pans out

16:01:24 <MattPerry> Sandro: as a commenter I would rather see it on the future work page

Sandro Hawke: as a commenter I would rather see it on the future work page

16:01:59 <Zakim> -chimezie

Zakim IRC Bot: -chimezie

16:02:05 <MattPerry> bye

bye

16:02:07 <Zakim> -AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS

16:02:08 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

16:02:08 <Zakim> -swh

Zakim IRC Bot: -swh

16:02:11 <Zakim> -OlivierCorby

Zakim IRC Bot: -OlivierCorby

16:02:13 <Zakim> -cbuilara

Zakim IRC Bot: -cbuilara

16:02:14 <Zakim> -MattPerry

Zakim IRC Bot: -MattPerry

16:02:16 <Zakim> -kasei

Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei

16:02:23 <AxelPolleres> ACTION-558 also take DB-14a into account here

Axel Polleres: ACTION-558 also take DB-14a into account here

16:02:23 <trackbot> ACTION-558 Discuss with lee where to put "future work" notes added

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-558 Discuss with lee where to put "future work" notes added

16:02:29 <Zakim> -bglimm

Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm

16:02:52 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public

Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make records public

16:05:23 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres

Zakim IRC Bot: -AxelPolleres

16:05:24 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended

16:05:26 <Zakim> Attendees were +43.517.073.aaaa, swh, +1.518.276.aabb, AxelPolleres, kasei, +1.617.553.aacc, LeeF, +1.603.897.aadd, MattPerry, OlivierCorby, bglimm, chimezie, AndyS, Sandro,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +43.517.073.aaaa, swh, +1.518.276.aabb, AxelPolleres, kasei, +1.617.553.aacc, LeeF, +1.603.897.aadd, MattPerry, OlivierCorby, bglimm, chimezie, AndyS, Sandro,

16:05:28 <Zakim> ... cbuilara

Zakim IRC Bot: ... cbuilara



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