SPARQL Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 04 October 2011

Agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0010.html
Seen
Andy Seaborne, Axel Polleres, Birte Glimm, Carlos Buil Aranda, Chimezie Ogbuji, Gregory Williams, Lee Feigenbaum, Matthew Perry, Nicholas Humfrey, Olivier Corby, Paul Gearon, Sandro Hawke, Steve Harris
Regrets
Steve Harris, Chimezie Ogbuji
Chair
Axel Polleres
Scribe
Gregory Williams
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. Approve minutes from http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-09-27 link
  2. Include STRBEFORE, STRAFTER, and REPLACE in SPARQL 1.1 Query (only the versions without collations) link
  3. Remove SHA224 from SPARQL 1.1 Query; add text noting that MD5 shouldnot be used for cryptographic applications link
Topics
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13:55:55 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:55:55 <trackbot> Date: 04 October 2011
13:55:56 <LeeF> zakim, this will be SPARQL

Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, this will be SPARQL

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13:56:03 <LeeF> Chair: AxelPolleres
13:56:26 <LeeF> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0010.html
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13:56:55 <NickH> zakim, ??P2 is me

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13:57:04 <NickH> zakim, mute me

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13:57:09 <NickH> heh

Nicholas Humfrey: heh

13:57:14 <kasei> ha

Gregory Williams: ha

13:57:29 <LeeF> why in the world would that be?

Lee Feigenbaum: why in the world would that be?

13:57:30 <Zakim> +kasei

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13:57:36 <NickH> zakim, mute me

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13:58:10 <LeeF> Regrets: SteveH, Chimezie
13:59:22 <Zakim> +??P4

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13:59:31 <cbuilara> zakim, ??P4 is me

Carlos Buil Aranda: zakim, ??P4 is me

13:59:31 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it

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13:59:42 <Zakim> + +1.781.899.aaaa

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13:59:51 <sandro> zakim, aaaa is Sandro

Sandro Hawke: zakim, aaaa is Sandro

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13:59:57 <Zakim> +??P19

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14:00:04 <Zakim> +Bernard

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14:00:07 <AndyS> zakim, ??P19 is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P19 is me

14:00:07 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it

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14:00:18 <AndyS> kasei - not had a chance yet.

Andy Seaborne: kasei - not had a chance yet.

14:00:58 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aabb

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14:00:58 <kasei> AndyS: ok. i'll try to work through it in more depth

Andy Seaborne: ok. i'll try to work through it in more depth [ Scribe Assist by Gregory Williams ]

14:01:11 <MattPerry> zakim, aabb is me

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14:01:40 <Zakim> + +1.540.841.aacc

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14:02:04 <pgearon> Zakim, aacc is me

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14:03:25 <Zakim> + +1.617.553.aadd

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14:03:29 <LeeF> zakim, aadd is me

Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, aadd is me

14:03:29 <Zakim> +LeeF; got it

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14:03:55 <Zakim> +??P29

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14:04:16 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone?

Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, who's on the phone?

14:04:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see NickH (muted), kasei, cbuilara, Sandro, AndyS, Bernard, MattPerry, pgearon, LeeF, ??P29

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14:04:39 <LeeF> zakim, ??P29 is AxelPolleres

Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, ??P29 is AxelPolleres

14:04:48 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres; got it

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14:05:11 <LeeF> zakim, Bernard is Olivier

Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, Bernard is Olivier

14:05:11 <Zakim> +Olivier; got it

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14:05:50 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0010.html

Lee Feigenbaum: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011OctDec/0010.html

14:06:18 <kasei> I can

Gregory Williams: I can

14:06:23 <LeeF> scribenick: kasei

(Scribe set to Gregory Williams)

14:06:27 <LeeF> topic: admin

1. admin

14:06:39 <Zakim> + +49.731.502.aaee

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14:06:40 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve minutes from http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-09-27

PROPOSED: Approve minutes from http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-09-27

14:06:56 <bglimm> Zakim, +49.731.502.aaee is me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, +49.731.502.aaee is me

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14:07:00 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

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14:07:00 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

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14:07:08 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Approve minutes from http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-09-27

RESOLVED: Approve minutes from http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-09-27

14:07:36 <LeeF> Next regular meeting: 2011-10-11 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST (scribe: Sandro)

Lee Feigenbaum: Next regular meeting: 2011-10-11 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST (scribe: Sandro)

14:07:45 <Olivier> regrets for next week

Olivier Corby: regrets for next week

14:07:53 <LeeF> next week regrets: axel & olivier

Lee Feigenbaum: next week regrets: axel & olivier

14:08:17 <kasei> topic: liaison with RDF WG

2. liaison with RDF WG

14:08:35 <kasei> AndyS: not much progress... named graphs discussions continue.

Andy Seaborne: not much progress... named graphs discussions continue.

14:08:59 <kasei> ... been waiting on concensus on discussion on RDF Datasets

... been waiting on concensus on discussion on RDF Datasets

14:09:11 <kasei> ... until entire framework is resolved, wouldn't want to make changes.

... until entire framework is resolved, wouldn't want to make changes.

14:09:29 <kasei> ... we're not at a point yet where we have to decide.

... we're not at a point yet where we have to decide.

14:09:37 <kasei> LeeF: I don't think the current wording is a problem.

Lee Feigenbaum: I don't think the current wording is a problem.

14:09:48 <kasei> ... hasn't caused problems with implementors.

... hasn't caused problems with implementors.

14:10:07 <LeeF> topic: string functions

3. string functions

14:10:28 <kasei> LeeF: continuing dicussion from Jeen's comment on motivation for string functions

Lee Feigenbaum: continuing dicussion from Jeen's comment on motivation for string functions

14:10:36 <kasei> ... 1- vs. 0-indexed functions

... 1- vs. 0-indexed functions

14:10:47 <kasei> ... trying to decide why we don't have an index function

... trying to decide why we don't have an index function

14:11:01 <kasei> ... substring-before and substring-after handle same use cases

... substring-before and substring-after handle same use cases

14:11:13 <kasei> ... Andy proposed adding substring-before, substring-after, and replace functions.

... Andy proposed adding substring-before, substring-after, and replace functions.

14:11:21 <kasei> ... some support for that.

... some support for that.

14:11:35 <kasei> ... questions: some other functions from RIF. should we include them?

... questions: some other functions from RIF. should we include them?

14:11:48 <kasei> ... also from greg regarding unicode.

... also from greg regarding unicode.

14:11:56 <AndyS> q+ to ask Axel about fn:string-join

Andy Seaborne: q+ to ask Axel about fn:string-join

14:12:31 <LeeF> kasei: if we ground these functions in the XSD definitions of substring before and substring after, i looked at the definition and wasn't sure i could implement them

Gregory Williams: if we ground these functions in the XSD definitions of substring before and substring after, i looked at the definition and wasn't sure i could implement them [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ]

14:12:42 <AndyS> q+ to say without "collation" as with other functions.

Andy Seaborne: q+ to say without "collation" as with other functions.

14:12:45 <LeeF> ... seemed like it required deep understanding of lots of specs to do the pattern matching properly

Lee Feigenbaum: ... seemed like it required deep understanding of lots of specs to do the pattern matching properly

14:13:05 <LeeF> AndyS: We could add without the versions with collation

Andy Seaborne: We could add without the versions with collation [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ]

14:13:11 <kasei> AndyS: i think we'd add them without the collation. we haven't adopted collation forms of other functions in the past.

Andy Seaborne: i think we'd add them without the collation. we haven't adopted collation forms of other functions in the past.

14:13:37 <kasei> ... implemented in ~3 lines of java. nothing unusual going on.

... implemented in ~3 lines of java. nothing unusual going on.

14:13:51 <AxelPolleres> fine without collation (ie, standard codepoint collation always)?

Axel Polleres: fine without collation (ie, standard codepoint collation always)?

14:14:29 <kasei> AxelPolleres: those functions have two variants. with and without collation.

Axel Polleres: those functions have two variants. with and without collation.

14:14:38 <kasei> ... proposal here is to adopt the non-collation versions?

... proposal here is to adopt the non-collation versions?

14:14:43 <kasei> AndyS: yes

Andy Seaborne: yes

14:15:11 <AndyS> ack me

Andy Seaborne: ack me

14:15:11 <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to ask Axel about fn:string-join and to say without "collation" as with other functions.

Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS, you wanted to ask Axel about fn:string-join and to say without "collation" as with other functions.

14:15:13 <kasei> LeeF: other functions: string-join, some stuff about IRIs

Lee Feigenbaum: other functions: string-join, some stuff about IRIs

14:15:25 <kasei> AxelPolleres: IRI to URI

Axel Polleres: IRI to URI

14:15:46 <kasei> AndyS: why do you want to add str-join? what's the difference over what we've already got?

Andy Seaborne: why do you want to add str-join? what's the difference over what we've already got?

14:15:54 <kasei> AxelPolleres: I had overlooked it.

Axel Polleres: I had overlooked it.

14:16:07 <kasei> AxelPolleres: str-join isn't the same as concat. adding a separator.

Axel Polleres: str-join isn't the same as concat. adding a separator.

14:16:29 <kasei> ... we didn't have sequences in RIF. arbitrary number of parameters with a separator.

... we didn't have sequences in RIF. arbitrary number of parameters with a separator.

14:16:38 <kasei> AndyS: you can write the same thing with concat.

Andy Seaborne: you can write the same thing with concat.

14:16:49 <kasei> ... arbitrary length list is really fixed by syntax

... arbitrary length list is really fixed by syntax

14:17:22 <Zakim> -cbuilara

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14:17:24 <kasei> LeeF: what about the other functions?

Lee Feigenbaum: what about the other functions?

14:17:47 <kasei> AxelPolleres: should go through them since we have them in RIF.

Axel Polleres: should go through them since we have them in RIF.

14:18:47 <LeeF> LeeF: what is the IRI to URI function all about?

Lee Feigenbaum: what is the IRI to URI function all about? [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ]

14:18:55 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: opeates on strings and converts from URIs to IRIs

Axel Polleres: opeates on strings and converts from URIs to IRIs [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ]

14:18:57 <kasei> ah. fixed. thanks LeeF.

ah. fixed. thanks LeeF.

14:19:03 <Zakim> +??P10

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14:19:15 <AndyS> And it's not reversible?  No uri to iri function in RIF?

Andy Seaborne: And it's not reversible? No uri to iri function in RIF?

14:19:40 <kasei> AxelPolleres: third function is escape-html-uri

Axel Polleres: third function is escape-html-uri

14:19:51 <kasei> ... comes from xpath/xquery functions.

... comes from xpath/xquery functions.

14:20:06 <kasei> ... escapes non-printable characters

... escapes non-printable characters

14:20:20 <kasei> ... for use in attribute values.

... for use in attribute values.

14:20:26 <Zakim> -??P10

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14:20:40 <kasei> LeeF: we didn't set out trying to match RIF functions. haven't heard from anybody asking for these functions.

Lee Feigenbaum: we didn't set out trying to match RIF functions. haven't heard from anybody asking for these functions.

14:20:44 <kasei> ... inclined to leave them out.

... inclined to leave them out.

14:20:46 <Zakim> +??P10

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14:20:49 <cbuilara_> zakim, ??P10 is me

Carlos Buil Aranda: zakim, ??P10 is me

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14:20:59 <kasei> AxelPolleres: that's fine.

Axel Polleres: that's fine.

14:21:24 <kasei> AndyS: seems troublesome to have one-way functions.

Andy Seaborne: seems troublesome to have one-way functions.

14:21:33 <kasei> ... string-join isn't the same as the F&O function.

... string-join isn't the same as the F&O function.

14:21:39 <kasei> ... does RIF define it to be the same as F&O?

... does RIF define it to be the same as F&O?

14:22:25 <kasei> AxelPolleres: defines in terms of string-join by converting args (minus the separator) to a sequence

Axel Polleres: defines in terms of string-join by converting args (minus the separator) to a sequence

14:22:43 <Zakim> -cbuilara_

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14:22:46 <kasei> LeeF: I'm not hearing anybody advocating for it.

Lee Feigenbaum: I'm not hearing anybody advocating for it.

14:22:50 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Include STRBEFORE, STRAFTER, and REPLACE in SPARQL 1.1 Query (only the versions without collations)

PROPOSED: Include STRBEFORE, STRAFTER, and REPLACE in SPARQL 1.1 Query (only the versions without collations)

14:23:07 <kasei> q+

q+

14:23:11 <LeeF> ack kasei

Lee Feigenbaum: ack kasei

14:23:36 <LeeF> kasei: should we discuss whether this works with language literals and datatype literals?

Gregory Williams: should we discuss whether this works with language literals and datatype literals? [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ]

14:24:20 <LeeF> see http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/#func-starts

Lee Feigenbaum: see http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/#func-starts

14:24:32 <kasei> AndyS: roughly, if the arguments are the same, you can match them. otherwise you can't.

Andy Seaborne: roughly, if the arguments are the same, you can match them. otherwise you can't.

14:25:11 <kasei> AndyS: does STR() implicitly on the args.

Andy Seaborne: does STR() implicitly on the args.

14:25:17 <kasei> LeeF: they return strings, though.

Lee Feigenbaum: they return strings, though.

14:25:38 <kasei> AndyS: wold have to think about it. either it's a plain string, or it's the same as the input string.

Andy Seaborne: wold have to think about it. either it's a plain string, or it's the same as the input string.

14:25:58 <kasei> LeeF: inclination would be to have the result be the same as the input.

Lee Feigenbaum: inclination would be to have the result be the same as the input.

14:26:35 <AndyS> and consistency with CONTAINS

Andy Seaborne: and consistency with CONTAINS

14:26:38 <Zakim> +??P10

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14:26:44 <cbuilara_> zakim, ??P10 is me

Carlos Buil Aranda: zakim, ??P10 is me

14:26:44 <Zakim> +cbuilara_; got it

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14:27:05 <kasei> LeeF: what does SUBSTR do? returns language tags?

Lee Feigenbaum: what does SUBSTR do? returns language tags?

14:27:13 <kasei> AndyS: yes, returns same form as principle argument.

Andy Seaborne: yes, returns same form as principle argument.

14:27:19 <kasei> LeeF: so should do the same thing as SUBSTR.

Lee Feigenbaum: so should do the same thing as SUBSTR.

14:28:13 <kasei> +1

+1

14:28:18 <AxelPolleres> +1

Axel Polleres: +1

14:28:22 <LeeF> (to the proposal above)

Lee Feigenbaum: (to the proposal above)

14:28:34 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Include STRBEFORE, STRAFTER, and REPLACE in SPARQL 1.1 Query (only the versions without collations)

RESOLVED: Include STRBEFORE, STRAFTER, and REPLACE in SPARQL 1.1 Query (only the versions without collations)

14:29:03 <kasei> AndyS: will somebody do the tests?

Andy Seaborne: will somebody do the tests?

14:29:04 <AndyS> ACTION AndyS Draft text for STRBEFORE, STRAFTER, and REPLACE

Andy Seaborne: ACTION AndyS Draft text for STRBEFORE, STRAFTER, and REPLACE

14:29:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-537 - Draft text for STRBEFORE, STRAFTER, and REPLACE [on Andy Seaborne - due 2011-10-11].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-537 - Draft text for STRBEFORE, STRAFTER, and REPLACE [on Andy Seaborne - due 2011-10-11].

14:29:32 <kasei> I can do the tests

I can do the tests

14:29:45 <LeeF> ACTION: greg to write tests for STRBEFORE, STRAFTER, and REPLACE

ACTION: greg to write tests for STRBEFORE, STRAFTER, and REPLACE

14:29:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-538 - Write tests for STRBEFORE, STRAFTER, and REPLACE [on Gregory Williams - due 2011-10-11].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-538 - Write tests for STRBEFORE, STRAFTER, and REPLACE [on Gregory Williams - due 2011-10-11].

14:30:16 <kasei> LeeF: this should be enough to reply to Jeen?

Lee Feigenbaum: this should be enough to reply to Jeen?

14:30:23 <kasei> AndyS: for the first part. haven't dealt with hash functions yet.

Andy Seaborne: for the first part. haven't dealt with hash functions yet.

14:30:45 <kasei> LeeF: based on last week's discussion, we have concensus on keeping string functions 1-indexed.

Lee Feigenbaum: based on last week's discussion, we have concensus on keeping string functions 1-indexed.

14:31:11 <kasei> topic: hash functions

4. hash functions

14:31:34 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011JulSep/0314.html

Lee Feigenbaum: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011JulSep/0314.html

14:31:37 <kasei> LeeF: Andy listed 3 proposals in email.

Lee Feigenbaum: Andy listed 3 proposals in email.

14:31:57 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011JulSep/0320.html

Lee Feigenbaum: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011JulSep/0320.html

14:32:32 <kasei> ... proposal 5 in that link was based on what xml digital signature group includes.

... proposal 5 in that link was based on what xml digital signature group includes.

14:32:48 <kasei> ... discussion on whether MD5 should be included due to security concerns.

... discussion on whether MD5 should be included due to security concerns.

14:32:57 <kasei> sandro: xml dig sig group does not include MD5

Sandro Hawke: xml dig sig group does not include MD5

14:33:15 <AndyS> Who actively supports any SHA2-isms?

Andy Seaborne: Who actively supports any SHA2-isms?

14:33:30 <sandro> "who" in what sense?

Sandro Hawke: "who" in what sense?

14:33:39 <kasei> LeeF: variables on proposals being whether we include MD5, whether we include 3 variants of SHA2

Lee Feigenbaum: variables on proposals being whether we include MD5, whether we include 3 variants of SHA2

14:33:41 <AndyS> "who" = WG member

Andy Seaborne: "who" = WG member

14:34:06 <kasei> ... proposal 5 is what's in the draft now but without SHA-224(?)

... proposal 5 is what's in the draft now but without SHA-224(?)

14:34:17 <sandro> +1 SHA2

Sandro Hawke: +1 SHA2

14:34:29 <pgearon> +q

Paul Gearon: +q

14:34:48 <LeeF> ack pgearon

Lee Feigenbaum: ack pgearon

14:35:15 <kasei> pgearon: agree MD5 isn't secure, but run into use cases with legacy mysql code using MD5. convenient to be able to talk to those systems.

Paul Gearon: agree MD5 isn't secure, but run into use cases with legacy mysql code using MD5. convenient to be able to talk to those systems.

14:35:28 <kasei> ... would like to support inclusion of MD5

... would like to support inclusion of MD5

14:35:37 <MattPerry> Oracle Database supports MD4, MD5 and SHA1

Matthew Perry: Oracle Database supports MD4, MD5 and SHA1

14:36:01 <kasei> sandro: should include some note about MD5 not being secure w.r.t. cryptography, but included for non-crypto uses.

Sandro Hawke: should include some note about MD5 not being secure w.r.t. cryptography, but included for non-crypto uses.

14:36:28 <kasei> LeeF: easiest proposal is to remove SHA224. small change, addresses comment, mesh well with existing practice.

Lee Feigenbaum: easiest proposal is to remove SHA224. small change, addresses comment, mesh well with existing practice.

14:36:31 <AndyS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MD5#Security "severe compromised" (for security)

Andy Seaborne: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MD5#Security "severe compromised" (for security)

14:36:59 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Remove SHA224 from SPARQL 1.1 Query; add text noting that MD5 shouldnot be used for cryptographic applications

PROPOSED: Remove SHA224 from SPARQL 1.1 Query; add text noting that MD5 shouldnot be used for cryptographic applications

14:37:05 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

14:37:05 <AndyS> Only  2^24.1 ops -> easy!

Andy Seaborne: Only 2^24.1 ops -> easy!

14:37:06 <kasei> +1

+1

14:37:12 <AndyS> +1

Andy Seaborne: +1

14:37:25 <AxelPolleres> +1

Axel Polleres: +1

14:37:28 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Remove SHA224 from SPARQL 1.1 Query; add text noting that MD5 shouldnot be used for cryptographic applications

RESOLVED: Remove SHA224 from SPARQL 1.1 Query; add text noting that MD5 shouldnot be used for cryptographic applications

14:38:04 <AndyS> ACTION AndyS Remove SHA224 from rq25; respond to JB-7

Andy Seaborne: ACTION AndyS Remove SHA224 from rq25; respond to JB-7

14:38:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-539 - Remove SHA224 from rq25; respond to JB-7 [on Andy Seaborne - due 2011-10-11].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-539 - Remove SHA224 from rq25; respond to JB-7 [on Andy Seaborne - due 2011-10-11].

14:38:35 <AxelPolleres> q+ to ask about richard's comment

Axel Polleres: q+ to ask about richard's comment

14:38:48 <kasei> topic: comments

5. comments

14:39:03 <LeeF> ack AxelPolleres

Lee Feigenbaum: ack AxelPolleres

14:39:03 <Zakim> AxelPolleres, you wanted to ask about richard's comment

Zakim IRC Bot: AxelPolleres, you wanted to ask about richard's comment

14:39:27 <kasei> AxelPolleres: what do people think about adding clarifying wording w.r.t. RDF datasets?

Axel Polleres: what do people think about adding clarifying wording w.r.t. RDF datasets?

14:39:42 <kasei> LeeF: discussed earlier about waiting on RDF WG's discussion about datasets.

Lee Feigenbaum: discussed earlier about waiting on RDF WG's discussion about datasets.

14:39:52 <AndyS> +1 to wait  ; happy to improve text .... once

Andy Seaborne: +1 to wait ; happy to improve text .... once

14:39:59 <kasei> LeeF: hold off on replying to Richard

Lee Feigenbaum: hold off on replying to Richard

14:40:14 <Zakim> -NickH

Zakim IRC Bot: -NickH

14:40:26 <AndyS> Owner for this comment?

Andy Seaborne: Owner for this comment?

14:40:32 <LeeF> close ACTION-527

Lee Feigenbaum: close ACTION-527

14:40:32 <trackbot> ACTION-527 Let us know where the impl report code is in git and to put the generated report file somewhere in our CVS space closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-527 Let us know where the impl report code is in git and to put the generated report file somewhere in our CVS space closed

14:40:48 <kasei> topic: actions

6. actions

14:40:52 <AxelPolleres> AndyS, I can take the comment.

Axel Polleres: AndyS, I can take the comment.

14:41:11 <AndyS> Cool - do you want to add to wiki/Comments?

Andy Seaborne: Cool - do you want to add to wiki/Comments?

14:41:26 <kasei> AxelPolleres: would Matt and Andy be able to review document before last call?

Axel Polleres: would Matt and Andy be able to review document before last call?

14:41:26 <MattPerry> sure

Matthew Perry: sure

14:41:48 <kasei> AndyS: should be able to take a look

Andy Seaborne: should be able to take a look

14:41:53 <AndyS> Yes ( how much change?)

Andy Seaborne: Yes ( how much change?)

14:42:01 <LeeF> ACTION: Matthew to review the overview document after Axel sends a go-ahead

ACTION: Matthew to review the overview document after Axel sends a go-ahead

14:42:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-540 - Review the overview document after Axel sends a go-ahead [on Matthew Perry - due 2011-10-11].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-540 - Review the overview document after Axel sends a go-ahead [on Matthew Perry - due 2011-10-11].

14:42:06 <LeeF> ACTION: Andy to review the overview document after Axel sends a go-ahead

ACTION: Andy to review the overview document after Axel sends a go-ahead

14:42:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-541 - Review the overview document after Axel sends a go-ahead [on Andy Seaborne - due 2011-10-11].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-541 - Review the overview document after Axel sends a go-ahead [on Andy Seaborne - due 2011-10-11].

14:43:22 <bglimm> How will be at ISWC?

Birte Glimm: How will be at ISWC?

14:43:28 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me

14:43:28 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted

14:43:36 <AxelPolleres> will be there

Axel Polleres: will be there

14:43:37 <kasei> I will

I will

14:43:41 <AndyS> I will be at ISWC

Andy Seaborne: I will be at ISWC

14:43:46 <bglimm> I will

Birte Glimm: I will

14:43:52 <AndyS> SPARQL tutorial ...

Andy Seaborne: SPARQL tutorial ...

14:44:08 <MattPerry> bye

Matthew Perry: bye

14:44:09 <Zakim> -LeeF

Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF

14:44:11 <MattPerry> \quit

Matthew Perry: \quit

14:44:13 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres

Zakim IRC Bot: -AxelPolleres

14:44:15 <Zakim> -MattPerry

Zakim IRC Bot: -MattPerry

14:44:15 <Zakim> -pgearon

Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon

14:44:16 <Zakim> -Olivier

Zakim IRC Bot: -Olivier

14:44:17 <Zakim> -bglimm

Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm

14:44:19 <Zakim> -cbuilara_

Zakim IRC Bot: -cbuilara_

14:44:22 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

14:44:29 <Zakim> -kasei

Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei

14:44:34 <AndyS> I'll fix the tests for (removal of) SHA224

Andy Seaborne: I'll fix the tests for (removal of) SHA224

14:44:37 <Zakim> -AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS

14:44:38 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended

14:44:40 <Zakim> Attendees were NickH, kasei, cbuilara, +1.781.899.aaaa, Sandro, AndyS, +1.603.897.aabb, MattPerry, +1.540.841.aacc, pgearon, +1.617.553.aadd, LeeF, AxelPolleres, Olivier, bglimm,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were NickH, kasei, cbuilara, +1.781.899.aaaa, Sandro, AndyS, +1.603.897.aabb, MattPerry, +1.540.841.aacc, pgearon, +1.617.553.aadd, LeeF, AxelPolleres, Olivier, bglimm,

14:44:42 <Zakim> ... cbuilara_

Zakim IRC Bot: ... cbuilara_

14:44:50 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public

Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make records public



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