SPARQL Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 05 April 2011

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-04-05
Seen
Alexandre Passant, Andy Seaborne, Axel Polleres, Birte Glimm, Carlos Buil Aranda, Chimezie Ogbuji, Gregory Williams, Lee Feigenbaum, Matthew Perry, Olivier Corby, Paul Gearon, Sandro Hawke, Steve Harris
Regrets
Chimezie Ogbuji, Axel Polleres, Alexandre Passant, Carlos Buil Aranda, Olivier Corby
Scribe
Gregory Williams, Sandro Hawke
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-03-29 link
  2. Re-approve :pp29 with change made in this teleconference and approve :pp34 and :pp35 link
  3. Approve all of the tests in syntax-query, syntax-update-1, syntax-update-2 link
Topics
13:56:01 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/04/05-sparql-irc

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13:56:01 <LeeF> trackbot, start meeting

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13:56:05 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277

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13:56:05 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes

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13:56:06 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:56:06 <trackbot> Date: 05 April 2011
13:56:14 <LeeF> trackbot, close ACTION-353

Lee Feigenbaum: trackbot, close ACTION-353

13:56:14 <trackbot> ACTION-353 Update the comments table on the wiki and approach people for drafting responses closed

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13:56:19 <LeeF> zakim, this will be SPARQL

Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, this will be SPARQL

13:56:19 <Zakim> ok, LeeF; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes

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13:56:48 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started

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13:56:54 <Zakim> +??P2

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13:57:01 <SteveH> Zakim, ??P2 is me

Steve Harris: Zakim, ??P2 is me

13:57:01 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it

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13:57:03 <Zakim> +??P3

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13:57:26 <AndyS> zakim, ??P3 is me

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13:57:26 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it

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13:57:34 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?

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13:57:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see SteveH, AndyS

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13:58:40 <Zakim> + +1.310.729.aaaa

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13:58:45 <kasei> Zakim, aaaa is me

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13:58:45 <Zakim> +kasei; got it

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13:58:46 <Zakim> +LeeF

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13:59:53 <Zakim> +MattPerry

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14:02:33 <kasei> scribenick: kasei

(Scribe set to Gregory Williams)

14:03:06 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone?

Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, who's on the phone?

14:03:06 <Zakim> +Sandro

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14:03:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see SteveH, AndyS, kasei, LeeF, MattPerry, Sandro

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14:03:41 <Zakim> + +41.86.528.aabb

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14:03:51 <LeeF> topic: Admin

1. Admin

14:03:55 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-03-29

PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-03-29

14:04:01 <bglimm> Zakim, +41.86.528.aabb is me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, +41.86.528.aabb is me

14:04:02 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it

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14:04:30 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-03-29

RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-03-29

14:04:40 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

14:04:40 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

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14:04:49 <LeeF> Regrets: Chime, Axel, Alex, Carlos, Olivier
14:05:02 <LeeF> Next regular meeting: 2011-04-12 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST (scribe: Axel or Alex)

Lee Feigenbaum: Next regular meeting: 2011-04-12 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST (scribe: Axel or Alex)

14:05:24 <Zakim> +pgearon

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14:05:27 <AndyS> My regrets for next week.

Andy Seaborne: My regrets for next week.

14:05:27 <Zakim> +Souri_

Zakim IRC Bot: +Souri_

14:05:37 <SteveH> I'm at risk for next week

Steve Harris: I'm at risk for next week

14:05:57 <kasei> LeeF: new comments. one from last friday.

Lee Feigenbaum: new comments. one from last friday.

14:06:22 <sandro> scribe: sandro

(Scribe set to Sandro Hawke)

14:06:23 <kasei> ... about response codes for protocol. is 204 acceptable in case where there is no content returned?

Gregory Williams: ... about response codes for protocol. is 204 acceptable in case where there is no content returned?

14:09:19 <AndyS> 204 means empty entity -- we do return an entity for an empty results table in SELECT.  No "semantic" level meaning.  it also means "no change of focus." unlike 200

Andy Seaborne: 204 means empty entity -- we do return an entity for an empty results table in SELECT. No "semantic" level meaning. it also means "no change of focus." unlike 200

14:09:57 <sandro> zakim, agenda?

zakim, agenda?

14:09:57 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda

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14:10:08 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-04-05

sandro has changed the topic to: agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-04-05

14:10:21 <LeeF> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-04-05
14:10:31 <sandro> SteveH: There's a bit of the Algebra I still need to look at.       Very short on time, though.

Steve Harris: There's a bit of the Algebra I still need to look at. Very short on time, though.

14:11:03 <sandro> Lee: Steve, there are some Aggregrate-related comments for you, too...  Maybe you can look at them at the same time.

Lee Feigenbaum: Steve, there are some Aggregrate-related comments for you, too... Maybe you can look at them at the same time.

14:12:04 <sandro> AndyS: Lee, are you still going to do your action?

Andy Seaborne: Lee, are you still going to do your action?

14:12:12 <sandro> Lee: I'm not sure, but I hope to.

Lee Feigenbaum: I'm not sure, but I hope to.

14:12:44 <LeeF> close ACTION-409

Lee Feigenbaum: close ACTION-409

14:12:45 <trackbot> ACTION-409 Edit Update document to note that blank nodes in DELETE templates are an error closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-409 Edit Update document to note that blank nodes in DELETE templates are an error closed

14:12:46 <sandro> Lee: Paul, has Update Doc been updated to reflect blank nodes being prohibited in templates?

Lee Feigenbaum: Paul, has Update Doc been updated to reflect blank nodes being prohibited in templates?

14:12:53 <sandro> Paul: Yes.

Paul Gearon: Yes.

14:13:50 <sandro> Lee: Greg, did we say we were ready for you to review update?

Lee Feigenbaum: Greg, did we say we were ready for you to review update?

14:14:01 <sandro> Greg: We did, I hope to do it this week.

Gregory Williams: We did, I hope to do it this week.

14:14:17 <sandro> Lee: I hope to do a large amt of work on Protocol Doc today.

Lee Feigenbaum: I hope to do a large amt of work on Protocol Doc today.

14:14:44 <sandro> Lee: I have an email to Chime about come outstanding comments on Graph Store Protocol doc.

Lee Feigenbaum: I have an email to Chime about come outstanding comments on Graph Store Protocol doc.

14:14:45 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me

14:14:45 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted

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14:14:54 <sandro> Lee: We got a review from Jeff Pan, which Birte replied to.

Lee Feigenbaum: We got a review from Jeff Pan, which Birte replied to.

14:15:30 <sandro> bglimm: I need some clarification from Jeff, but I don't think there's anything that will need WG discussion.   But we do have to discuss issues with Canonical Representation for D-Entailment.

Birte Glimm: I need some clarification from Jeff, but I don't think there's anything that will need WG discussion. But we do have to discuss issues with Canonical Representation for D-Entailment.

14:15:50 <sandro> Lee: Fed Query still waiting on Carlo or me to check status.

Lee Feigenbaum: Fed Query still waiting on Carlo or me to check status.

14:16:01 <sandro> q+ to give an announcement

q+ to give an announcement

14:16:14 <LeeF> ack sandro

Lee Feigenbaum: ack sandro

14:16:14 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to give an announcement

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, you wanted to give an announcement

14:16:34 <LeeF> sandro: New working group - provenance working group just announced

Sandro Hawke: New working group - provenance working group just announced [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ]

14:16:39 <LeeF> ... first meeting in a couple of weeks

Lee Feigenbaum: ... first meeting in a couple of weeks

14:16:51 <LeeF> ... sign up!

Lee Feigenbaum: ... sign up!

14:17:02 <LeeF> ... also government linked data working group has been sent to the Advisory Committee

Lee Feigenbaum: ... also government linked data working group has been sent to the Advisory Committee

14:17:25 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/charter.html

http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/charter.html

14:17:33 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Main_Page

http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Main_Page

14:18:25 <LeeF> sandro: RDFa WG has been renamed RDF Web Applications WG, working on RDF Web Api

Sandro Hawke: RDFa WG has been renamed RDF Web Applications WG, working on RDF Web Api [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ]

14:18:31 <LeeF> ... (re-)starting up, good time to join

Lee Feigenbaum: ... (re-)starting up, good time to join

14:18:47 <LeeF> topic: Canonicalization

2. Canonicalization

14:19:20 <sandro> Lee: I didn't read enough of the discussion between Birte and Bijan on this; can you summarize?

Lee Feigenbaum: I didn't read enough of the discussion between Birte and Bijan on this; can you summarize?

14:20:23 <sandro> bglimm: XSD 1.0 canonical reprs have some problems.   Decimal and integer have a bit of a contradiction.   Take canon of the base type.   Which alas means for int it's like 1.0, even though that's not a valid int rep!

Birte Glimm: XSD 1.0 canonical reprs have some problems. Decimal and integer have a bit of a contradiction. Take canon of the base type. Which alas means for int it's like 1.0, even though that's not a valid int rep!

14:20:55 <sandro> bglimm: the next version is scheduled for LC in April, this month.

Birte Glimm: the next version is scheduled for LC in April, this month.

14:21:05 <sandro> LeeF: If they really are on that schedule.

Lee Feigenbaum: If they really are on that schedule.

14:22:39 <sandro> sandro: (tells story of OWL and RIF xsd finesse note.)

Sandro Hawke: (tells story of OWL and RIF xsd finesse note.)

14:22:47 <sandro> Lee: Should we do the same thing, Birte?

Lee Feigenbaum: Should we do the same thing, Birte?

14:23:08 <sandro> bglimm: Yes, I think so.  Anything else -- using XSD 1.0 -- doesn't make sense.

Birte Glimm: Yes, I think so. Anything else -- using XSD 1.0 -- doesn't make sense.

14:23:27 <sandro> Lee: It doesnt seem to help anyone to point at the defns in  a broken spec.

Lee Feigenbaum: It doesnt seem to help anyone to point at the defns in a broken spec.

14:23:49 <sandro> Lee: I kinda think we oughta do the same thing as OWL 2 and RIF, depending on 1.1

Lee Feigenbaum: I kinda think we oughta do the same thing as OWL 2 and RIF, depending on 1.1

14:24:05 <sandro> Lee: ... if they don't actually move forward faster than us.

Lee Feigenbaum: ... if they don't actually move forward faster than us.

14:24:18 <sandro> Lee: I think that's what we have to do.  :-|

Lee Feigenbaum: I think that's what we have to do. :-|

14:24:36 <sandro> bglimm: That sounds right to me.

Birte Glimm: That sounds right to me.

14:24:48 <sandro> Lee: I don't think we need a WG decision on this.

Lee Feigenbaum: I don't think we need a WG decision on this.

14:25:12 <sandro> AndyS: At the worst, we could lift a def'n from 1.1 just before we go to CR.

Andy Seaborne: At the worst, we could lift a def'n from 1.1 just before we go to CR.

14:25:19 <LeeF> topic: Service URL vs. URI vs. Endpoint

3. Service URL vs. URI vs. Endpoint

14:25:24 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

14:25:24 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

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14:25:41 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011AprJun/0000.html

Lee Feigenbaum: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2011AprJun/0000.html

14:25:45 <sandro> Lee: Terminology from a comment by Bob Scanlon, on svg descr doc.

Lee Feigenbaum: Terminology from a comment by Bob Scanlon, on svg descr doc.

14:26:50 <sandro> Lee: What is the name of the URI that services SPARQL protocol requests.     "Service URL", "Service Name", "SPARQL Ends Point" (the URI at which a SPARQL protocol service listens....)

Lee Feigenbaum: What is the name of the URI that services SPARQL protocol requests. "Service URL", "Service Name", "SPARQL Ends Point" (the URI at which a SPARQL protocol service listens....)

14:27:02 <sandro> Lee: Greg suggested "service URI"

Lee Feigenbaum: Greg suggested "service URI"

14:27:30 <sandro> AndyS: i think the naming has to reflect the difference between the service and where you access it.

Andy Seaborne: i think the naming has to reflect the difference between the service and where you access it.

14:27:54 <sandro> AndyS: Using "URI" suggests the service ...    I think we need to use the word "End Point"

Andy Seaborne: Using "URI" suggests the service ... I think we need to use the word "End Point"

14:27:58 <sandro> +1 End Point

+1 End Point

14:28:10 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/service-description-1.1/xmlspec.xml#sd-url

Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/service-description-1.1/xmlspec.xml#sd-url

14:28:43 <LeeF> Andy is suggesting that sd:url relates the service to the service endpoint

Lee Feigenbaum: Andy is suggesting that sd:url relates the service to the service endpoint

14:28:50 <sandro> LeeF, : sd:url relates the service to the service endpoint

LeeF, : sd:url relates the service to the service endpoint

14:29:19 <sandro> q+

q+

14:29:24 <sandro> q-

q-

14:29:34 <LeeF> SERVICE <foo>

Lee Feigenbaum: SERVICE <foo>

14:29:40 <sandro> q+

q+

14:29:47 <LeeF> kasei: foo is an endpoint

Gregory Williams: foo is an endpoint [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ]

14:29:59 <LeeF> ack sandro

Lee Feigenbaum: ack sandro

14:31:09 <LeeF> sandro: is the range of sd:url a URL or a character string?

Sandro Hawke: is the range of sd:url a URL or a character string? [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ]

14:31:25 <LeeF> ... is it a literal or not?

Lee Feigenbaum: ... is it a literal or not?

14:31:34 <sandro> sandro: In my mind, a URL is a kind of Literal.

Sandro Hawke: In my mind, a URL is a kind of Literal.

14:31:36 <LeeF> kasei: it's meant to point at the endpoint, not point at the literal with a URL string

Gregory Williams: it's meant to point at the endpoint, not point at the literal with a URL string [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ]

14:32:15 <sandro> sandro: sd:endPoint or endPointAddress (if it's a string)

Sandro Hawke: sd:endPoint or endPointAddress (if it's a string)

14:32:58 <sandro> endpoint

endpoint

14:33:09 <sandro> +1 sd:endpoint

+1 sd:endpoint

14:33:32 <sandro> AndyS: i wouldn't use a capital in the middle :-)

Andy Seaborne: i wouldn't use a capital in the middle :-)

14:33:55 <sandro> Lee: I think it makes sense to call the property "endpoint"

Lee Feigenbaum: I think it makes sense to call the property "endpoint"

14:34:22 <sandro> kasei: Without concern for people who might be using this already, yeah, I have a mild preference for endpoint, too.

Gregory Williams: Without concern for people who might be using this already, yeah, I have a mild preference for endpoint, too.

14:34:30 <LeeF> service-identifier sd:endpoint service-endpoint-url

Lee Feigenbaum: service-identifier sd:endpoint service-endpoint-url

14:35:17 <sandro> Lee: where  service-endpoint-url is a non-Literal Resource.

Lee Feigenbaum: where service-endpoint-url is a non-Literal Resource.

14:35:47 <sandro> (mild digression about whether that could a blank node.)

(mild digression about whether that could a blank node.)

14:37:24 <sandro> AndyS: the endpoint is necessarily 1-1 to the endpoint URL

Andy Seaborne: the endpoint is necessarily 1-1 to the endpoint URL

14:37:33 <sandro> sandro: what about changes in case of the hostname?

Sandro Hawke: what about changes in case of the hostname?

14:38:02 <sandro> AndyS: It's still 1-1 --- different case in hostname is a DIFFERENT ENDPOINT -- because you'll have a different base for your queries and responses.

Andy Seaborne: It's still 1-1 --- different case in hostname is a DIFFERENT ENDPOINT -- because you'll have a different base for your queries and responses.

14:38:17 <LeeF> ACTION: Greg to make sure SD terminology is consistent with "service endpoint" as the place you poke to use a (protocol) service

ACTION: Greg to make sure SD terminology is consistent with "service endpoint" as the place you poke to use a (protocol) service

14:38:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-432 - Make sure SD terminology is consistent with "service endpoint" as the place you poke to use a (protocol) service [on Gregory Williams - due 2011-04-12].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-432 - Make sure SD terminology is consistent with "service endpoint" as the place you poke to use a (protocol) service [on Gregory Williams - due 2011-04-12].

14:38:31 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to work with Carlos to make sure Fed terminology is consistent with "service endpoint" as the place you poke to use a (protocol) service

ACTION: Lee to work with Carlos to make sure Fed terminology is consistent with "service endpoint" as the place you poke to use a (protocol) service

14:38:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-433 - Work with Carlos to make sure Fed terminology is consistent with "service endpoint" as the place you poke to use a (protocol) service [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-04-12].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-433 - Work with Carlos to make sure Fed terminology is consistent with "service endpoint" as the place you poke to use a (protocol) service [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-04-12].

14:38:40 <sandro> sandro: then, yeah, I guess i'm okay with endpoint's range being EndPoint, instead of URL.

Sandro Hawke: then, yeah, I guess i'm okay with endpoint's range being EndPoint, instead of URL.

14:39:14 <sandro> Lee: let's change sd:url to sd:endpoint -- it'll help communitcate our view

Lee Feigenbaum: let's change sd:url to sd:endpoint -- it'll help communitcate our view

14:39:26 <sandro> sandro: sd:endpoint range sd:Endpoint  ?

Sandro Hawke: sd:endpoint range sd:Endpoint ?

14:39:39 <sandro> kasei: That's not the sort of thing we currently do.

Gregory Williams: That's not the sort of thing we currently do.

14:39:57 <LeeF> topic: RDF dataset merge

4. RDF dataset merge

14:40:06 <kasei> sandro, I'll think over that...

Gregory Williams: sandro, I'll think over that...

14:40:44 <sandro> Lee: RDF-WG discussion - what does it mean to merge datasets?

Lee Feigenbaum: RDF-WG discussion - what does it mean to merge datasets?

14:41:08 <sandro> AndyS: putting the defns side by side

Andy Seaborne: putting the defns side by side

14:41:22 <sandro> LeeF: Would that change any semantics, or is this just editorial?

Lee Feigenbaum: Would that change any semantics, or is this just editorial?

14:41:37 <sandro> AndyS: I wouldn't use the word merging.

Andy Seaborne: I wouldn't use the word merging.

14:41:50 <sandro> AndyS: Union affects graph store.

Andy Seaborne: Union affects graph store.

14:42:04 <sandro> AndyS: ... around handling of bnodes, in a way that doesnt apply in query.

Andy Seaborne: ... around handling of bnodes, in a way that doesnt apply in query.

14:42:37 <sandro> LeeF: My main concern was that since our specs dont use Merge, we'd be including text we dont need, that's not right for RDF-WG.

Lee Feigenbaum: My main concern was that since our specs dont use Merge, we'd be including text we dont need, that's not right for RDF-WG.

14:43:08 <sandro> AndyS: Normally I'd agree, but I can't think of another defn of RDF Merge that would work with the definitions we have.

Andy Seaborne: Normally I'd agree, but I can't think of another defn of RDF Merge that would work with the definitions we have.

14:43:55 <sandro> Lee: I'm hearing that we use RDF datasets, and given how we define them, there's really only one way to merge them.  And then RDF-WG can use SPARQL Datasets, or something else if they don't like our merge.

Lee Feigenbaum: I'm hearing that we use RDF datasets, and given how we define them, there's really only one way to merge them. And then RDF-WG can use SPARQL Datasets, or something else if they don't like our merge.

14:44:46 <sandro> sandro: Maybe ask RDF-WG to look at this at their F2F next week.

Sandro Hawke: Maybe ask RDF-WG to look at this at their F2F next week.

14:45:10 <sandro> Lee: Andy, can you put it in SPARQL Query, and I'll raise it to RDF-WG?

Lee Feigenbaum: Andy, can you put it in SPARQL Query, and I'll raise it to RDF-WG?

14:45:30 <LeeF> ACTION: Andy to add RDF Dataset merge definition to Query document

ACTION: Andy to add RDF Dataset merge definition to Query document

14:45:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-434 - Add RDF Dataset merge definition to Query document [on Andy Seaborne - due 2011-04-12].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-434 - Add RDF Dataset merge definition to Query document [on Andy Seaborne - due 2011-04-12].

14:45:40 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to ping RDF WG about RDF Dataset Merge definition once in place

ACTION: Lee to ping RDF WG about RDF Dataset Merge definition once in place

14:45:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-435 - Ping RDF WG about RDF Dataset Merge definition once in place [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-04-12].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-435 - Ping RDF WG about RDF Dataset Merge definition once in place [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-04-12].

14:45:52 <LeeF> topic: tests

5. tests

14:45:58 <LeeF> subtopic: property path tests

5.1. property path tests

14:46:29 <sandro> LeeF: a bug was found....

Lee Feigenbaum: a bug was found....

14:46:42 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/property-path/

Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/property-path/

14:46:57 <LeeF> :pp29 in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/property-path/manifest.ttl

Lee Feigenbaum: :pp29 in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/property-path/manifest.ttl

14:47:07 <LeeF> path-3-4.rq

Lee Feigenbaum: path-3-4.rq

14:47:12 <LeeF> data-diamond-loop.ttl

Lee Feigenbaum: data-diamond-loop.ttl

14:47:45 <AndyS> :p{2,}

Andy Seaborne: :p{2,}

14:47:59 <sandro> AndyS: If you look at that query, the core of it is :p{2,}

Andy Seaborne: If you look at that query, the core of it is :p{2,}

14:48:04 <LeeF> a -> b -> z      a -> c -> z       c -> c

Lee Feigenbaum: a -> b -> z a -> c -> z c -> c

14:48:14 <sandro> ... part of it is an unbounded operation

... part of it is an unbounded operation

14:48:27 <sandro> ... they don't behave the same in how they treat cardinalities

... they don't behave the same in how they treat cardinalities

14:48:37 <sandro> ... so we can't reverse the operation

... so we can't reverse the operation

14:48:54 <LeeF> diamond-loop-6.srx

Lee Feigenbaum: diamond-loop-6.srx

14:48:58 <sandro> ... my implementation was doing it the wrong way around.

... my implementation was doing it the wrong way around.

14:49:08 <LeeF> c / a / a / a

Lee Feigenbaum: c / a / a / a

14:49:17 <LeeF> should be

Lee Feigenbaum: should be

14:49:23 <LeeF> c / c / a / a / a

Lee Feigenbaum: c / c / a / a / a

14:49:35 <sandro> AndyS: Correct result is c / c / a / a / a

Andy Seaborne: Correct result is c / c / a / a / a

14:50:38 <sandro> Lee: I'm updating srx file now.

Lee Feigenbaum: I'm updating srx file now.

14:51:00 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/property-path/diamond-loop-6.srx

Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/property-path/diamond-loop-6.srx

14:52:03 <sandro> Zakim, list attendees

Zakim, list attendees

14:52:03 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been SteveH, AndyS, +1.310.729.aaaa, kasei, LeeF, MattPerry, Sandro, bglimm, pgearon, Souri_

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been SteveH, AndyS, +1.310.729.aaaa, kasei, LeeF, MattPerry, Sandro, bglimm, pgearon, Souri_

14:52:43 <sandro> kasei: I havent looked at 34 or 35, but I have passed them.

Gregory Williams: I havent looked at 34 or 35, but I have passed them.

14:52:49 <sandro> lee: that's good enough, I think.

Lee Feigenbaum: that's good enough, I think.

14:52:56 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Re-approve :pp29 with change made in this teleconference and approve :pp34 and :pp35

PROPOSED: Re-approve :pp29 with change made in this teleconference and approve :pp34 and :pp35

14:53:07 <AndyS> seconded

Andy Seaborne: seconded

14:53:18 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Re-approve :pp29 with change made in this teleconference and approve :pp34 and :pp35

RESOLVED: Re-approve :pp29 with change made in this teleconference and approve :pp34 and :pp35

14:54:41 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve all of the tests in syntax-query, syntax-update-1, syntax-update-2

PROPOSED: Approve all of the tests in syntax-query, syntax-update-1, syntax-update-2

14:54:47 <kasei> +1

Gregory Williams: +1

14:54:58 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Approve all of the tests in syntax-query, syntax-update-1, syntax-update-2

RESOLVED: Approve all of the tests in syntax-query, syntax-update-1, syntax-update-2

14:55:07 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to mark property path and syntax tests as approved

ACTION: Lee to mark property path and syntax tests as approved

14:55:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-436 - Mark property path and syntax tests as approved [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-04-12].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-436 - Mark property path and syntax tests as approved [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-04-12].

14:55:59 <sandro> ADJOURN

ADJOURN

14:56:02 <bglimm> bye

Birte Glimm: bye

14:56:03 <AndyS> 54, 52, 1 tests

Andy Seaborne: 54, 52, 1 tests

14:56:04 <MattPerry> bye

Matthew Perry: bye

14:56:04 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

14:56:06 <Zakim> -LeeF

Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF

14:56:06 <Zakim> -AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS

14:56:07 <Zakim> -bglimm

Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm

14:56:07 <Zakim> -SteveH

Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveH

14:56:11 <Zakim> -kasei

Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei

14:56:18 <Zakim> -pgearon

Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon

14:56:20 <Zakim> -MattPerry

Zakim IRC Bot: -MattPerry

14:56:53 <kasei> LeeF, are you going to update the test manifests to mark approved tests?

Gregory Williams: LeeF, are you going to update the test manifests to mark approved tests?



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