SPARQL Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 16 November 2010

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-11-16
Seen
Alexandre Passant, Andy Seaborne, Axel Polleres, Carlos Buil Aranda, Gregory Williams, Ivan Herman, Lee Feigenbaum, Matthew Perry, Nicholas Humfrey, Olivier Corby, Paul Gearon, Sandro Hawke, Souripriya Das, Steve Harris
Regrets
Souripriya Das, Lee Feigenbaum, Sandro Hawke
Chair
Axel Polleres
Scribe
Nicholas Humfrey, Carlos Buil Aranda
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-11-09 link
  2. Close ISSUE-16 by noting that aggregates define their semantics over mixed data types which can include errors, errors that propagate to a SELECT list result in an unbound variable, errors that propagate to GROUP BY clause result in an "unbound" key. link
  3. The GROUP BY clause can include expressions with or without AS aliases. These aliases can be re-used in the HAVING clause and query result clause (i.e. SELECT or CONSTRUCT clause). projections created in the SELECT clause are not accessible for GROUP BY expressions. link
Topics
14:56:34 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/11/16-sparql-irc

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14:56:50 <AxelPolleres> trackbot, start meeting

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14:56:52 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world

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14:56:54 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277

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14:56:54 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes

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14:56:55 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
14:56:55 <trackbot>  Date: 16 November 2010

Trackbot IRC Bot: Date: 16 November 2010

14:56:59 <kasei> i think steveh was strongly opposed to it

Gregory Williams: i think steveh was strongly opposed to it

14:57:10 <kasei> as was I

Gregory Williams: as was I

14:57:37 <AxelPolleres> yes, and matt as well.

Axel Polleres: yes, and matt as well.

14:58:06 <AndyS> Bad zakim day.

Andy Seaborne: Bad zakim day.

14:58:10 <AxelPolleres> nickH, are you ok to scribe today?

Axel Polleres: nickH, are you ok to scribe today?

14:58:21 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?

Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is on the phone?

14:58:21 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, AndyS

14:58:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, NickH, cbuilara, karl, OlivierCorby, AndyS, AxelPolleres, SteveH, pgearon, ivan, AlexPassant, kasei, iv_an_ru, trackbot, ericP, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, NickH, cbuilara, karl, OlivierCorby, AndyS, AxelPolleres, SteveH, pgearon, ivan, AlexPassant, kasei, iv_an_ru, trackbot, ericP, sandro

14:58:28 <AndyS> zakim, start SPARQL

Andy Seaborne: zakim, start SPARQL

14:58:28 <Zakim> I don't understand 'start SPARQL', AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'start SPARQL', AndyS

14:58:29 <NickH> AlexPassant: sure

Alexandre Passant: sure [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

14:58:49 <NickH> wish tab completion of nicknames was working though

Nicholas Humfrey: wish tab completion of nicknames was working though

14:58:50 <AxelPolleres> NickH, I am axel ;-)

Axel Polleres: NickH, I am axel ;-)

14:59:05 <NickH> argh! exactly

Nicholas Humfrey: argh! exactly

14:59:32 <AndyS> zakim, this is SPARQL

Andy Seaborne: zakim, this is SPARQL

14:59:32 <Zakim> ok, AndyS; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, AndyS; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM

14:59:41 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:59:56 <AndyS> zakim, IPcaller is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPcaller is me

14:59:56 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it

15:00:02 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:00:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0, ??P2, +1.310.729.aaaa, AxelPolleres, AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P0, ??P2, +1.310.729.aaaa, AxelPolleres, AndyS

15:00:11 <kasei> Zakim, aaaa is me

Gregory Williams: Zakim, aaaa is me

15:00:11 <Zakim> +kasei; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +kasei; got it

15:00:11 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip

15:00:12 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made

15:00:12 <Zakim> +Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan

15:00:13 <cbuilara> I just called

Carlos Buil Aranda: I just called

15:00:15 <AndyS> zakim, mute AndyS

Andy Seaborne: zakim, mute AndyS

15:00:15 <Zakim> AndyS should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS should now be muted

15:00:21 <Zakim> + +33.4.92.38.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.4.92.38.aabb

15:00:29 <AndyS> zakim, unmute AndyS

Andy Seaborne: zakim, unmute AndyS

15:00:29 <Zakim> AndyS should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS should no longer be muted

15:00:54 <Zakim> -AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS

15:01:07 <Zakim> -??P2

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P2

15:01:07 <AxelPolleres> carlos, you were the IPCaller ;-)

Axel Polleres: carlos, you were the IPCaller ;-)

15:01:11 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.603.897.aacc

15:01:22 <MattPerry> zakim, aacc is me

Matthew Perry: zakim, aacc is me

15:01:26 <Zakim> +MattPerry; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MattPerry; got it

15:01:31 <Zakim> +??P7

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7

15:01:34 <NickH> zakim, ??P0 is me

Nicholas Humfrey: zakim, ??P0 is me

15:01:39 <Zakim> +NickH; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +NickH; got it

15:01:41 <cbuilara> zakim, ??P7 is me

Carlos Buil Aranda: zakim, ??P7 is me

15:01:50 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cbuilara; got it

15:01:53 <Zakim> +??P13

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P13

15:01:56 <AndyS> zakim, ??P13 is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P13 is me

15:01:57 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it

15:02:21 <AxelPolleres> 41# on your telephone keypad is "raise hand" for those who need to identify themselves

Axel Polleres: 41# on your telephone keypad is "raise hand" for those who need to identify themselves

15:02:44 <AxelPolleres> 40# on your telephone keypad is "hand down"

Axel Polleres: 40# on your telephone keypad is "hand down"

15:02:55 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:02:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see NickH, kasei, AxelPolleres, Ivan, +33.4.92.38.aabb, MattPerry, cbuilara, AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see NickH, kasei, AxelPolleres, Ivan, +33.4.92.38.aabb, MattPerry, cbuilara, AndyS

15:03:06 <OlivierCorby> Zakim, aabb is me

Olivier Corby: Zakim, aabb is me

15:03:06 <Zakim> +OlivierCorby; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +OlivierCorby; got it

15:03:29 <Zakim> +pgearon

Zakim IRC Bot: +pgearon

15:03:35 <AxelPolleres> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-11-16
15:03:41 <AxelPolleres> chair: Axel Polleres
15:03:47 <AxelPolleres> scribe: NickH

(Scribe set to Nicholas Humfrey)

15:03:54 <AxelPolleres> regrets: souri, Lee, sandro
15:04:23 <Zakim> + +44.208.439.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.208.439.aadd

15:04:30 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:04:34 <SteveH> Zakim, aadd is me

Steve Harris: Zakim, aadd is me

15:04:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see NickH, kasei, AxelPolleres, Ivan, OlivierCorby, MattPerry, cbuilara, AndyS, pgearon, +44.208.439.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see NickH, kasei, AxelPolleres, Ivan, OlivierCorby, MattPerry, cbuilara, AndyS, pgearon, +44.208.439.aadd

15:04:42 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveH; got it

15:05:10 <Zakim> -NickH

Zakim IRC Bot: -NickH

15:05:10 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-11-09

PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-11-09

15:05:33 <cbuilara> I can try

Carlos Buil Aranda: I can try

15:05:40 <cbuilara> scribe: cbuilara

(Scribe set to Carlos Buil Aranda)

15:05:48 <AndyS> scribenick: cbuilara
15:05:49 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-11-09

RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-11-09

15:06:06 <AndyS> topic: admin

1. admin

15:06:25 <AxelPolleres> topic: ISSUE-16

2. ISSUE-16

15:06:25 <cbuilara> Topic: issue 15, aggregates

3. ISSUE-15, aggregates

15:06:31 <cbuilara> ISSUE-16

ISSUE-16

15:06:36 <Zakim> +??P27

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P27

15:06:43 <NickH> zakim, ??P27 is me

Nicholas Humfrey: zakim, ??P27 is me

15:06:43 <Zakim> +NickH; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +NickH; got it

15:06:56 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-16 by noting that aggregates define their semantics over mixed data types which can include errors, errors that propagate to a SELECT list result in an unbound variable, errors that propagate to GROUP BY clause result in an "unbound" key.

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-16 by noting that aggregates define their semantics over mixed data types which can include errors, errors that propagate to a SELECT list result in an unbound variable, errors that propagate to GROUP BY clause result in an "unbound" key.

15:06:56 <NickH> sorry, phone troubles :(

Nicholas Humfrey: sorry, phone troubles :(

15:07:21 <cbuilara> Lee's proposal: close issue 16 aggregates and errors,

Lee's proposal: close ISSUE-16 aggregates and errors,

15:07:39 <SteveH> I think we should close

Steve Harris: I think we should close

15:07:46 <NickH> Axel: any opinions?

Axel Polleres: any opinions? [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:08:13 <NickH> Axel: Paul wrote lots about context

Axel Polleres: Paul wrote lots about context [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:08:30 <NickH> Axel: is that covered by this proposal

Axel Polleres: is that covered by this proposal [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:08:37 <kasei> +1

Gregory Williams: +1

15:08:41 <NickH> Axel: any support for this proposal?

Axel Polleres: any support for this proposal? [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:09:16 <NickH> AndyS: are you planning in putting in expanitory text?

Andy Seaborne: are you planning in putting in expanitory text? [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:09:38 <AxelPolleres> +1

Axel Polleres: +1

15:09:43 <AndyS> +1

Andy Seaborne: +1

15:09:45 <NickH> Any other support?

Nicholas Humfrey: Any other support?

15:09:46 <OlivierCorby> +1

Olivier Corby: +1

15:09:46 <cbuilara> +1

+1

15:09:48 <NickH> +1

Nicholas Humfrey: +1

15:09:49 <SteveH> +1

Steve Harris: +1

15:10:00 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-16 by noting that aggregates define their semantics over mixed data types which can include errors, errors that propagate to a SELECT list result in an unbound variable, errors that propagate to GROUP BY clause result in an "unbound" key.

RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-16 by noting that aggregates define their semantics over mixed data types which can include errors, errors that propagate to a SELECT list result in an unbound variable, errors that propagate to GROUP BY clause result in an "unbound" key.

15:10:00 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?

Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is on the phone?

15:10:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei, AxelPolleres, Ivan, OlivierCorby, MattPerry, cbuilara, AndyS, pgearon, SteveH, NickH

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see kasei, AxelPolleres, Ivan, OlivierCorby, MattPerry, cbuilara, AndyS, pgearon, SteveH, NickH

15:10:10 <NickH> Axel: resolve to close

Axel Polleres: resolve to close [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:10:12 <AxelPolleres> close ISSUE-16

Axel Polleres: close ISSUE-16

15:10:12 <trackbot> ISSUE-16 Dealing with aggregates over mixed datatypes closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-16 Dealing with aggregates over mixed datatypes closed

15:10:32 <AxelPolleres> topic: Potential shortcuts in update (ISSUE-59)

4. Potential shortcuts in update (ISSUE-59)

Summary: majority seems to be for postponing ISSUE-59

15:10:52 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/shortcuts.xml

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/shortcuts.xml

15:11:09 <NickH> Axel: Alex proposed three shortcuts

Axel Polleres: Alex proposed three shortcuts [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:11:20 <NickH> Axel: Copy, Move and Add

Axel Polleres: Copy, Move and Add [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:11:33 <NickH> Axel: Copy would allow you to copy one graph into another graph

Axel Polleres: Copy would allow you to copy one graph into another graph [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:11:49 <NickH> Axel: Move would do the same but remove the original graph

Axel Polleres: Move would do the same but remove the original graph [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:12:16 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-59 by including the shortcut operations from http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/shortcuts.xml  within SPARQL 1.1 Update

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-59 by including the shortcut operations from http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/shortcuts.xml within SPARQL 1.1 Update

15:12:17 <NickH> Axel: the proposal is the following

Axel Polleres: the proposal is the following [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:12:28 <SteveH> Who has user experience?

Steve Harris: Who has user experience?

15:12:31 <kasei> can we do a strawpoll on this? I'm worried that we were too few last week to be representative of the group.

Gregory Williams: can we do a strawpoll on this? I'm worried that we were too few last week to be representative of the group.

15:12:31 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q?

15:12:34 <AndyS> me

Andy Seaborne: me

15:12:42 <SteveH> AndyS, can you say a little bit about it?

Steve Harris: AndyS, can you say a little bit about it?

15:12:49 <AndyS> sure ...

Andy Seaborne: sure ...

15:12:50 <kasei> 3/1/2 was the vote from last time

Gregory Williams: 3/1/2 was the vote from last time

15:13:04 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q?

15:13:14 <NickH> Axel: in the interests of going ahead, we should reach concensus or not do it

Axel Polleres: in the interests of going ahead, we should reach concensus or not do it [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:13:44 <NickH> AndyS: there is the redundency factor

Andy Seaborne: there is the redundency factor [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:14:12 <AxelPolleres> andy has implemented them, finds it handy

Axel Polleres: andy has implemented them, finds it handy

15:14:18 <NickH> AndyS: secondly there is the easy of optimisation

Andy Seaborne: secondly there is the easy of optimisation [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:14:34 <NickH> AndyS: much easier to spot the optimiations with the shortcuts

Andy Seaborne: much easier to spot the optimiations with the shortcuts [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:14:54 <NickH> SteveH: would be happier if more people had implemented them

Steve Harris: would be happier if more people had implemented them [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:15:18 <NickH> SteveH: very similar but not exactly the same and feels very early to be doing this

Steve Harris: very similar but not exactly the same and feels very early to be doing this [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:15:43 <NickH> Axel: we have a number of opinions and one concern

Axel Polleres: we have a number of opinions and one concern [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:15:44 <SteveH> "probably harmless"

Steve Harris: "probably harmless"

15:16:04 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-59 by including the shortcut operations from http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/shortcuts.xml  within SPARQL 1.1 Update

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-59 by including the shortcut operations from http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/shortcuts.xml within SPARQL 1.1 Update

15:16:18 <SteveH> abstain

Steve Harris: abstain

15:16:27 <kasei> -1

Gregory Williams: -1

15:16:41 <NickH> Axel: lets put in the proposal and would like a concensus

Axel Polleres: lets put in the proposal and would like a concensus [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:17:07 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:17:08 <NickH> Axel: kasei, can you tell us your objection

Axel Polleres: kasei, can you tell us your objection [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:17:28 <NickH> kasei: not sure if we have the experience to know if these are the shortcuts that users wants

Gregory Williams: not sure if we have the experience to know if these are the shortcuts that users wants [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:17:46 <NickH> ivan: we are adding and adding and to the terms in SPARQL

Ivan Herman: we are adding and adding and to the terms in SPARQL [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:18:00 <NickH> ivan large number of things to consume and understand

Nicholas Humfrey: ivan large number of things to consume and understand

15:18:04 <NickH> abstain

Nicholas Humfrey: abstain

15:18:06 <ivan> -0.5

Ivan Herman: -0.5

15:18:06 <AndyS> +1

Andy Seaborne: +1

15:18:09 <MattPerry> +1

Matthew Perry: +1

15:18:10 <cbuilara> q+

q+

15:18:11 <AxelPolleres> +1 (on behalf of DERI)

Axel Polleres: +1 (on behalf of DERI)

15:18:11 <OlivierCorby> 0

Olivier Corby: 0

15:18:14 <SteveH> q+

Steve Harris: q+

15:18:15 <pgearon> abstain

Paul Gearon: abstain

15:18:21 <ivan> ack ivan

Ivan Herman: ack ivan

15:18:24 <cbuilara> abstain

abstain

15:18:50 <kasei> (somebody is breathing very loudly into the phone)

Gregory Williams: (somebody is breathing very loudly into the phone)

15:19:05 <AxelPolleres> 3/1.5/4

Axel Polleres: 3/1.5/4

15:19:38 <NickH> Ivan: I won't lie down on the road to oppose this

Ivan Herman: I won't lie down on the road to oppose this [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:20:06 <AndyS> We usually write yes/0/no i.e. 3/4/1.5

Andy Seaborne: We usually write yes/0/no i.e. 3/4/1.5

15:20:17 <NickH> SteveH: we can't resolve with 4 abstainsions

Steve Harris: we can't resolve with 4 abstainsions [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:20:29 <NickH> Axel: how can we go forward?

Axel Polleres: how can we go forward? [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:21:10 <NickH> Ivan: is does not reflct consensus, therefore it is rejected

Ivan Herman: is does not reflct consensus, therefore it is rejected [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:21:10 <SteveH> I'd be very happy to postopone it

Steve Harris: I'd be very happy to postopone it

15:21:22 <SteveH> ...make it the next groups problem

Steve Harris: ...make it the next groups problem

15:21:56 <kasei> +1 to postpone

Gregory Williams: +1 to postpone

15:21:57 <NickH> Axel: who would be happy to postopone issue 59?

Axel Polleres: who would be happy to postopone ISSUE-59? [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:21:58 <SteveH> +1 to postpone

Steve Harris: +1 to postpone

15:22:01 <AndyS> not really

Andy Seaborne: not really

15:22:05 <NickH> +1 to postpone

Nicholas Humfrey: +1 to postpone

15:22:07 <AxelPolleres> strawpoll: who wants to postpone ISSUE-59?

STRAWPOLL: who wants to postpone ISSUE-59?

15:22:10 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:22:17 <NickH> +1

Nicholas Humfrey: +1

15:22:18 <AxelPolleres> -1 (on behalf of DERI)

Axel Polleres: -1 (on behalf of DERI)

15:22:23 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q?

15:22:50 <ivan> ack cbuilara

Ivan Herman: ack cbuilara

15:23:08 <NickH> sorry, I can't hear very well

Nicholas Humfrey: sorry, I can't hear very well

15:23:40 <NickH> Axel: if it is not in the spec, then it doesn't really exist

Axel Polleres: if it is not in the spec, then it doesn't really exist [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:23:57 <NickH> Axel: should we put it in the spec or not?

Axel Polleres: should we put it in the spec or not? [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:24:10 <NickH> cbuilara: I would leave it out

Carlos Buil Aranda: I would leave it out [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:24:25 <ivan> ack SteveH

Ivan Herman: ack SteveH

15:24:27 <SteveH> ack me

Steve Harris: ack me

15:24:36 <NickH> cbuilara: would postpone it and keep it as an unofficial extention

Carlos Buil Aranda: would postpone it and keep it as an unofficial extention [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:24:59 <NickH> SteveH: is it a strawpoll or an official vote?

Steve Harris: is it a strawpoll or an official vote? [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:25:34 <ivan> ack ivan

Ivan Herman: ack ivan

15:25:35 <NickH> SteveH: not obvious what type of vote the original poll was

Steve Harris: not obvious what type of vote the original poll was [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:25:48 <NickH> ivan: what does postponing mean?

Ivan Herman: what does postponing mean? [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:25:55 <AndyS> q+

Andy Seaborne: q+

15:26:27 <NickH> ivan: does it mean that we need more implementation experience? or that the complexity of the language is too much?

Ivan Herman: does it mean that we need more implementation experience? or that the complexity of the language is too much? [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:26:30 <AxelPolleres> ivan: two concerns, one about implementation experience, one about complicating the language

Ivan Herman: two concerns, one about implementation experience, one about complicating the language [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

15:27:12 <NickH> AndyS: my interpretation is that it is put on a list of things to look at later

Andy Seaborne: my interpretation is that it is put on a list of things to look at later [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:27:16 <AxelPolleres> andy: postponed was meant as "put it on the list of Postponed ISSUES"

Andy Seaborne: postponed was meant as "put it on the list of Postponed ISSUES" [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

15:27:45 <NickH> ivan: i agree with postponement

Ivan Herman: i agree with postponement [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:28:07 <AxelPolleres> summary: majority seems to be for postponing ISSUE-59
15:28:29 <NickH> Axel: we are likely not to such ISSUE-59 untl the end

Axel Polleres: we are likely not to such ISSUE-59 untl the end [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:28:36 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q?

15:28:38 <AndyS> I do not support postponing.

Andy Seaborne: I do not support postponing.

15:29:14 <NickH> AndyS: I think it is an importand issue and it isn't something that should be postponed

Andy Seaborne: I think it is an importand issue and it isn't something that should be postponed [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:29:26 <NickH> AndyS: take it to the community and see what they think

Andy Seaborne: take it to the community and see what they think [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:30:08 <NickH> Axel: that alternative would be to put it into the draft get feedback and then take it out again later

Axel Polleres: that alternative would be to put it into the draft get feedback and then take it out again later [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:30:20 <pgearon> +1 to avoid idioms

Paul Gearon: +1 to avoid idioms

15:30:57 <AxelPolleres> Andy: how about putting it in as "At risk" feature into LC

Andy Seaborne: how about putting it in as "At risk" feature into LC [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

15:31:00 <NickH> Axel: I don't see any problems with adding it to the next draft if we don't have agreement - it can be 'At risk"

Axel Polleres: I don't see any problems with adding it to the next draft if we don't have agreement - it can be 'At risk" [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:31:05 <AxelPolleres> Ivan: even possible in CR.

Ivan Herman: even possible in CR. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

15:31:22 <NickH> Axel: that would be a way that we could go forward

Axel Polleres: that would be a way that we could go forward [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:31:26 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:31:29 <ivan> ack AndyS

Ivan Herman: ack AndyS

15:31:29 <AndyS> q-

Andy Seaborne: q-

15:32:06 <NickH> Ivan: that is a way forward, I think that in the document we should make it clear the reason that it is At Risk and that we would like feedback

Ivan Herman: that is a way forward, I think that in the document we should make it clear the reason that it is At Risk and that we would like feedback [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:33:23 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: add update shortcuts in LC marked explicitly "AT RISK" and asking for feedback, explicitly about potentially complicating the language, and implementation experience

PROPOSED: add update shortcuts in LC marked explicitly "AT RISK" and asking for feedback, explicitly about potentially complicating the language, and implementation experience

15:33:27 <SteveH> -1, I think it's a bad idea

Steve Harris: -1, I think it's a bad idea

15:33:40 <NickH> this is a strawpoll

Nicholas Humfrey: this is a strawpoll

15:33:44 <ivan> 1

Ivan Herman: 1

15:33:54 <NickH> 0

Nicholas Humfrey: 0

15:34:03 <OlivierCorby> 0

Olivier Corby: 0

15:34:07 <NickH> AndyS: can you say why this is a bad idea?

Andy Seaborne: can you say why this is a bad idea? [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:34:48 <NickH> SteveH: this is quite a big chunk of text to add to the document. But is mainly a 'faster horses' problem. If you ask people if they want faster horses, they wil say they want it

Steve Harris: this is quite a big chunk of text to add to the document. But is mainly a 'faster horses' problem. If you ask people if they want faster horses, they wil say they want it [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:35:24 <AxelPolleres> q+ to speak with chairhat off for Alex

Axel Polleres: q+ to speak with chairhat off for Alex

15:35:26 <NickH> SteveH: the 'faster horses' propblem is a quote from Henry Ford about why User Focus groups don't work

Steve Harris: the 'faster horses' propblem is a quote from Henry Ford about why User Focus groups don't work [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:35:46 <AxelPolleres> +1

Axel Polleres: +1

15:35:49 <NickH> SteveH: is a an example of when you will get bad results from asking users what they want

Steve Harris: is a an example of when you will get bad results from asking users what they want [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:36:00 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q?

15:36:05 <ivan> ack iv_an_ru

Ivan Herman: ack iv_an_ru

15:36:05 <NickH> SteveH: it will add 4 or 5 extra pages of specification

Steve Harris: it will add 4 or 5 extra pages of specification [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:36:09 <ivan> ack ivan

Ivan Herman: ack ivan

15:36:09 <AxelPolleres> ack ivan

Axel Polleres: ack ivan

15:36:14 <SteveH> maybe 3 or 4

Steve Harris: maybe 3 or 4

15:36:49 <AndyS> It's 1.5 pages currently for me in FF

Andy Seaborne: It's 1.5 pages currently for me in FF

15:36:50 <NickH> Axel: this is nor really makeing the language more complex but making it easier for users

Axel Polleres: this is nor really makeing the language more complex but making it easier for users [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:37:03 <NickH> Axel: the spec is already there

Axel Polleres: the spec is already there [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:37:05 <kasei> q+

Gregory Williams: q+

15:37:14 <AxelPolleres> ack AxelPolleres

Axel Polleres: ack AxelPolleres

15:37:14 <Zakim> AxelPolleres, you wanted to speak with chairhat off for Alex

Zakim IRC Bot: AxelPolleres, you wanted to speak with chairhat off for Alex

15:38:31 <NickH> greg: we have already described that there are two possible ways of storing, either as graphstores or quadstores. I don't think this is idiomatic in any way.

Gregory Williams: we have already described that there are two possible ways of storing, either as graphstores or quadstores. I don't think this is idiomatic in any way. [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:39:18 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: add update shortcuts in LC marked explicitly "AT RISK" and asking for feedback, explicitly about potentially complicating the language, and implementation experience

PROPOSED: add update shortcuts in LC marked explicitly "AT RISK" and asking for feedback, explicitly about potentially complicating the language, and implementation experience

15:39:28 <NickH> Axel: now putting this forward for an offical vote

Axel Polleres: now putting this forward for an offical vote [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:39:35 <SteveH> abstain

Steve Harris: abstain

15:39:37 <kasei> 0

Gregory Williams: 0

15:39:38 <pgearon> +1

Paul Gearon: +1

15:39:39 <AndyS> +1

Andy Seaborne: +1

15:39:39 <ivan> 1

Ivan Herman: 1

15:39:40 <OlivierCorby> abstain

Olivier Corby: abstain

15:39:42 <cbuilara> abstain

abstain

15:39:42 <AxelPolleres> +1 (for DERI)

Axel Polleres: +1 (for DERI)

15:39:43 <MattPerry> +1

Matthew Perry: +1

15:39:45 <NickH> 0

Nicholas Humfrey: 0

15:39:54 <SteveH> what does 0 mean?

Steve Harris: what does 0 mean?

15:40:09 <SteveH> you can either abstain, object, or be silent

Steve Harris: you can either abstain, object, or be silent

15:40:13 <NickH> abstain

Nicholas Humfrey: abstain

15:40:34 <AxelPolleres> 4/5/0

Axel Polleres: 4/5/0

15:40:58 <NickH> Axel: there are still a lot of abstaintions, but no objections

Axel Polleres: there are still a lot of abstaintions, but no objections [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:41:10 <NickH> SteveH: still can't move forward from this

Steve Harris: still can't move forward from this [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:41:33 <NickH> AndyS: you can move forward from this, abstain could mean "don't care"

Andy Seaborne: you can move forward from this, abstain could mean "don't care" [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:41:58 <NickH> Ivan: my feeling right now is to move on and postpone the issue

Ivan Herman: my feeling right now is to move on and postpone the issue [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:42:24 <NickH> Axel: I need to talk to Alex and see what he says

Axel Polleres: I need to talk to Alex and see what he says [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:42:37 <NickH> Axel: and see if he objects to this

Axel Polleres: and see if he objects to this [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:42:54 <AxelPolleres> summary: majority seems to be for postponing ISSUE-59
15:42:57 <NickH> Axel: what is your opinion AndyS?

Axel Polleres: what is your opinion AndyS? [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:43:29 <NickH> AndyS: I see no evidence of that conclusion

Andy Seaborne: I see no evidence of that conclusion [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:44:23 <AxelPolleres> Suggest to bring these two questions forward again when Alex is back: (a) put in as AT RISK (b) POSTPONE ISSUE-59

Axel Polleres: Suggest to bring these two questions forward again when Alex is back: (a) put in as AT RISK (b) POSTPONE ISSUE-59

15:44:39 <NickH> Axel: moving on to next topic

Axel Polleres: moving on to next topic [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:44:45 <AxelPolleres> topic: Grouping by expressions

5. Grouping by expressions

15:45:04 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: The GROUP BY clause can include expressions with or without AS aliases. These aliases can be re-used in the HAVING clause and query result clause.

PROPOSED: The GROUP BY clause can include expressions with or without AS aliases. These aliases can be re-used in the HAVING clause and query result clause.

15:46:02 <NickH> Axel: last time there was some discussion if the BIND in the where clause might be redundant

Axel Polleres: last time there was some discussion if the BIND in the where clause might be redundant [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:46:14 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: The GROUP BY clause can include expressions with or without AS aliases. These aliases can be re-used in the HAVING clause and query result clause (i.e. SELECT or CONSTRUCT clause). projections created in the SELECT clause are not accessible for GROUP BY expressions.

PROPOSED: The GROUP BY clause can include expressions with or without AS aliases. These aliases can be re-used in the HAVING clause and query result clause (i.e. SELECT or CONSTRUCT clause). projections created in the SELECT clause are not accessible for GROUP BY expressions.

15:46:43 <kasei> +1

Gregory Williams: +1

15:46:54 <NickH> Axel: projections after groupings

Axel Polleres: projections after groupings [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:46:55 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q?

15:46:59 <SteveH> is the idea that { ... BIND( expr AS ?x ) } GROUP BY ?x  exatly=  { ... } GROU�P BY (expr AS ?x) ...

Steve Harris: is the idea that { ... BIND( expr AS ?x ) } GROUP BY ?x exatly= { ... } GROU�P BY (expr AS ?x) ...

15:47:02 <kasei> ack kasei

Gregory Williams: ack kasei

15:47:34 <AndyS> q+

Andy Seaborne: q+

15:47:49 <kasei> except that GROUP BY (expr) wouldn't cause an extra variable binding

Gregory Williams: except that GROUP BY (expr) wouldn't cause an extra variable binding

15:48:45 <NickH> sorry, having trouble hearing/understanding this bit

Nicholas Humfrey: sorry, having trouble hearing/understanding this bit

15:49:57 <NickH> SteveH: there could be a variety of different things happening after the SELECT

Steve Harris: there could be a variety of different things happening after the SELECT [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:50:27 <NickH> AndyS: if you do SELECT COUNT(*) then there is an implicit grouping

Andy Seaborne: if you do SELECT COUNT(*) then there is an implicit grouping [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:50:37 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: The GROUP BY clause can include expressions with or without AS aliases. These aliases can be re-used in the HAVING clause and query result clause (i.e. SELECT or CONSTRUCT clause). projections created in the SELECT clause are not accessible for GROUP BY expressions.

PROPOSED: The GROUP BY clause can include expressions with or without AS aliases. These aliases can be re-used in the HAVING clause and query result clause (i.e. SELECT or CONSTRUCT clause). projections created in the SELECT clause are not accessible for GROUP BY expressions.

15:50:49 <Zakim> -NickH

Zakim IRC Bot: -NickH

15:50:59 <NickH> stupid phone

Nicholas Humfrey: stupid phone

15:51:05 <cbuilara> sure

sure

15:51:42 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: I do not see any objection, vote proposal

Axel Polleres: I do not see any objection, vote proposal

15:51:43 <Zakim> +??P27

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P27

15:51:47 <kasei> +1

Gregory Williams: +1

15:51:53 <AxelPolleres> +1

Axel Polleres: +1

15:51:54 <OlivierCorby> +1

Olivier Corby: +1

15:51:54 <MattPerry> +1

Matthew Perry: +1

15:51:55 <AndyS> +1

Andy Seaborne: +1

15:51:56 <ivan> 0

Ivan Herman: 0

15:51:58 <cbuilara> 0

0

15:52:03 <NickH> +1

Nicholas Humfrey: +1

15:52:07 <pgearon> +1

Paul Gearon: +1

15:52:18 <cbuilara> 8 +1, 2 abstentions

8 +1, 2 abstentions

15:52:22 <NickH> Zakim, ??P27 is me

Nicholas Humfrey: Zakim, ??P27 is me

15:52:22 <Zakim> +NickH; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +NickH; got it

15:52:43 <cbuilara> sorry, 7 +1

sorry, 7 +1

15:52:44 <AxelPolleres> 7/2/0

Axel Polleres: 7/2/0

15:53:05 <NickH> Axel: I guess we can accept it

Axel Polleres: I guess we can accept it [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:53:08 <SteveH> 8/2/0, I didn't say anything

Steve Harris: 8/2/0, I didn't say anything

15:53:10 <kasei> I didn't abstain

Gregory Williams: I didn't abstain

15:53:10 <ivan> forever hold my piece

Ivan Herman: forever hold my piece

15:53:25 <NickH> Axel: anyone want to explain their abstention?

Axel Polleres: anyone want to explain their abstention? [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:53:29 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: The GROUP BY clause can include expressions with or without AS aliases. These aliases can be re-used in the HAVING clause and query result clause (i.e. SELECT or CONSTRUCT clause). projections created in the SELECT clause are not accessible for GROUP BY expressions.

RESOLVED: The GROUP BY clause can include expressions with or without AS aliases. These aliases can be re-used in the HAVING clause and query result clause (i.e. SELECT or CONSTRUCT clause). projections created in the SELECT clause are not accessible for GROUP BY expressions.

15:54:01 <NickH> Axel: a few minutes left...

Axel Polleres: a few minutes left... [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:54:15 <AxelPolleres> topic: function library

6. function library

15:54:25 <NickH> Axel: see if we can agree anything on the function library

Axel Polleres: see if we can agree anything on the function library [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:54:27 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0188.html

Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0188.html

15:54:55 <AxelPolleres> no objections against including these

Axel Polleres: no objections against including these

15:55:28 <AxelPolleres> 17.4.1 bound .... 17.4.24 NOT EXISTS and EXIST

Axel Polleres: 17.4.1 bound .... 17.4.24 NOT EXISTS and EXIST

15:55:34 <NickH> Axel: we have a set of functions already in the current draft that are non-controversial

Axel Polleres: we have a set of functions already in the current draft that are non-controversial [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:55:48 <AxelPolleres> plus RAND() RAND (seed)

Axel Polleres: plus RAND() RAND (seed)

15:56:24 <NickH> Axel: would there be any objection to the functions in Lee's email?

Axel Polleres: would there be any objection to the functions in Lee's email? [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:56:40 <NickH> Axel: silence is taken as agreement

Axel Polleres: silence is taken as agreement [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:56:54 <AxelPolleres>  fn:concat

Axel Polleres: fn:concat

15:57:20 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath-functions/#func-concat

Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath-functions/#func-concat

15:57:20 <NickH> Axel: there was some discussion about concat, and if it needs to be redefined for SPARQL

Axel Polleres: there was some discussion about concat, and if it needs to be redefined for SPARQL [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:57:27 <SteveH> we have variable arity already

Steve Harris: we have variable arity already

15:57:49 <NickH> AndyS: the problem with concat is that it takes an existing type and casts it to string

Andy Seaborne: the problem with concat is that it takes an existing type and casts it to string [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:58:07 <AndyS> s/existing/xsd atomicType/

Andy Seaborne: s/existing/xsd atomicType/

15:58:19 <SteveH> I think we should use fn:concat as is

Steve Harris: I think we should use fn:concat as is

15:58:28 <NickH> Axel: it would mean rather than casting to string, it would use our special string function

Axel Polleres: it would mean rather than casting to string, it would use our special string function [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

15:58:30 <SteveH> but not for +

Steve Harris: but not for +

15:58:35 <AxelPolleres> AXEL: CONCAT() would be either implicitly use STR() or only acccept strings

Axel Polleres: CONCAT() would be either implicitly use STR() or only acccept strings [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

15:59:43 <NickH> AndyS: it can either only accept a string or it can blow up

Andy Seaborne: it can either only accept a string or it can blow up [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

16:00:14 <NickH> Axel: there are two options to add our own function

Axel Polleres: there are two options to add our own function [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

16:00:23 <AxelPolleres> variable arity is fine

Axel Polleres: variable arity is fine

16:00:35 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

16:00:39 <AndyS> q-

Andy Seaborne: q-

16:00:52 <NickH> Axel: we are running out of time, going to finish the queue

Axel Polleres: we are running out of time, going to finish the queue [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

16:00:56 <AxelPolleres> ack AndyS

Axel Polleres: ack AndyS

16:01:23 <ivan> http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/REC-rif-dtb-20100622/

Ivan Herman: http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/REC-rif-dtb-20100622/

16:01:28 <AndyS> q+

Andy Seaborne: q+

16:01:37 <ivan> ack ivan

Ivan Herman: ack ivan

16:01:41 <NickH> Ivan: the RIF people have already been through this, can't we just use their definition

Ivan Herman: the RIF people have already been through this, can't we just use their definition [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

16:02:24 <NickH> Axel: there are no errors in RIF, but SPARQL does have errors, so we can return an error

Axel Polleres: there are no errors in RIF, but SPARQL does have errors, so we can return an error [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

16:02:50 <NickH> Ivan: there should be compatibility between RIF and SPARQL

Ivan Herman: there should be compatibility between RIF and SPARQL [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

16:03:36 <SteveH> +1 to using a similar set of functions as RIF

Steve Harris: +1 to using a similar set of functions as RIF

16:03:41 <NickH> Ivan: I understand that there are semantic different, but if I was a dumb user, I would want them to behave in the same way

Ivan Herman: I understand that there are semantic different, but if I was a dumb user, I would want them to behave in the same way [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

16:03:53 <SteveH> or at least a similar set of names

Steve Harris: or at least a similar set of names

16:04:30 <NickH> Axel: the things that are mentioned in Lee's email do not contrdict that

Axel Polleres: the things that are mentioned in Lee's email do not contrdict that [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]

16:05:14 <ivan> zakim, drop me

Ivan Herman: zakim, drop me

16:05:14 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan is being disconnected

16:05:16 <Zakim> -Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan

16:05:19 <Zakim> -MattPerry

Zakim IRC Bot: -MattPerry

16:05:20 <Zakim> -SteveH

Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveH

16:05:22 <Zakim> -kasei

Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei

16:05:22 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to take functions discussion on email.

ACTION: Axel to take functions discussion on email.

16:05:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-333 - Take functions discussion on email. [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-11-23].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-333 - Take functions discussion on email. [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-11-23].

16:05:23 <Zakim> -OlivierCorby

Zakim IRC Bot: -OlivierCorby

16:05:25 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres

Zakim IRC Bot: -AxelPolleres

16:05:26 <Zakim> -pgearon

Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon

16:05:29 <Zakim> -cbuilara

Zakim IRC Bot: -cbuilara

16:05:35 <SteveH> AndyS, why are you in favour of type strictness for CONCAT()?

Steve Harris: AndyS, why are you in favour of type strictness for CONCAT()?

16:05:42 <SteveH> maybe I'm missing something

Steve Harris: maybe I'm missing something

16:05:44 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public

Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make records public

16:06:15 <AndyS> I'm not - was expressing alternatives as I recall discussion

Andy Seaborne: I'm not - was expressing alternatives as I recall discussion

16:06:18 <NickH> Axel, sorry about calling you Alex! Im not the best at typing fast!

Nicholas Humfrey: Axel, sorry about calling you Alex! Im not the best at typing fast!

16:06:24 <SteveH> AndyS, ah, ok

Steve Harris: AndyS, ah, ok

16:06:24 <Zakim> -AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS

16:06:58 <Zakim> -NickH

Zakim IRC Bot: -NickH

16:06:59 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended

16:07:01 <AndyS> We are strict for REGEX, say.

Andy Seaborne: We are strict for REGEX, say.

16:07:01 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.310.729.aaaa, AxelPolleres, AndyS, kasei, Ivan, +33.4.92.38.aabb, +1.603.897.aacc, MattPerry, NickH, cbuilara, OlivierCorby, pgearon, +44.208.439.aadd, SteveH

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +1.310.729.aaaa, AxelPolleres, AndyS, kasei, Ivan, +33.4.92.38.aabb, +1.603.897.aacc, MattPerry, NickH, cbuilara, OlivierCorby, pgearon, +44.208.439.aadd, SteveH

16:07:32 <AndyS> I do think strict for + makes sense as a conservative spec choice.

Andy Seaborne: I do think strict for + makes sense as a conservative spec choice.

16:07:41 <NickH> Axel: I think it was the UK phone number gateway that kept disconnecting me - it is still far from ideal

Axel Polleres: I think it was the UK phone number gateway that kept disconnecting me - it is still far from ideal [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ]



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