Potential shortcuts in update (ISSUE-59)
majority seems to be for postponing ISSUE-59
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14:56:50 <AxelPolleres> trackbot, start meeting
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14:56:54 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
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14:56:54 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes ←
14:56:55 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
14:56:55 <trackbot> Date: 16 November 2010
Trackbot IRC Bot: Date: 16 November 2010 ←
14:56:59 <kasei> i think steveh was strongly opposed to it
Gregory Williams: i think steveh was strongly opposed to it ←
14:57:10 <kasei> as was I
Gregory Williams: as was I ←
14:57:37 <AxelPolleres> yes, and matt as well.
Axel Polleres: yes, and matt as well. ←
14:58:06 <AndyS> Bad zakim day.
Andy Seaborne: Bad zakim day. ←
14:58:10 <AxelPolleres> nickH, are you ok to scribe today?
Axel Polleres: nickH, are you ok to scribe today? ←
14:58:21 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?
Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:58:21 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, AndyS ←
14:58:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, NickH, cbuilara, karl, OlivierCorby, AndyS, AxelPolleres, SteveH, pgearon, ivan, AlexPassant, kasei, iv_an_ru, trackbot, ericP, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, NickH, cbuilara, karl, OlivierCorby, AndyS, AxelPolleres, SteveH, pgearon, ivan, AlexPassant, kasei, iv_an_ru, trackbot, ericP, sandro ←
14:58:28 <AndyS> zakim, start SPARQL
Andy Seaborne: zakim, start SPARQL ←
14:58:28 <Zakim> I don't understand 'start SPARQL', AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'start SPARQL', AndyS ←
14:58:29 <NickH> AlexPassant: sure
Alexandre Passant: sure [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
14:58:49 <NickH> wish tab completion of nicknames was working though
Nicholas Humfrey: wish tab completion of nicknames was working though ←
14:58:50 <AxelPolleres> NickH, I am axel ;-)
Axel Polleres: NickH, I am axel ;-) ←
14:59:05 <NickH> argh! exactly
Nicholas Humfrey: argh! exactly ←
14:59:32 <AndyS> zakim, this is SPARQL
Andy Seaborne: zakim, this is SPARQL ←
14:59:32 <Zakim> ok, AndyS; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, AndyS; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM ←
14:59:41 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:59:56 <AndyS> zakim, IPcaller is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPcaller is me ←
14:59:56 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
15:00:02 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:00:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0, ??P2, +1.310.729.aaaa, AxelPolleres, AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P0, ??P2, +1.310.729.aaaa, AxelPolleres, AndyS ←
15:00:11 <kasei> Zakim, aaaa is me
Gregory Williams: Zakim, aaaa is me ←
15:00:11 <Zakim> +kasei; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +kasei; got it ←
15:00:11 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
15:00:12 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
15:00:12 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
15:00:13 <cbuilara> I just called
Carlos Buil Aranda: I just called ←
15:00:15 <AndyS> zakim, mute AndyS
Andy Seaborne: zakim, mute AndyS ←
15:00:15 <Zakim> AndyS should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS should now be muted ←
15:00:21 <Zakim> + +33.4.92.38.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.4.92.38.aabb ←
15:00:29 <AndyS> zakim, unmute AndyS
Andy Seaborne: zakim, unmute AndyS ←
15:00:29 <Zakim> AndyS should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS should no longer be muted ←
15:00:54 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
15:01:07 <Zakim> -??P2
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P2 ←
15:01:07 <AxelPolleres> carlos, you were the IPCaller ;-)
Axel Polleres: carlos, you were the IPCaller ;-) ←
15:01:11 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.603.897.aacc ←
15:01:22 <MattPerry> zakim, aacc is me
Matthew Perry: zakim, aacc is me ←
15:01:26 <Zakim> +MattPerry; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MattPerry; got it ←
15:01:31 <Zakim> +??P7
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7 ←
15:01:34 <NickH> zakim, ??P0 is me
Nicholas Humfrey: zakim, ??P0 is me ←
15:01:39 <Zakim> +NickH; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +NickH; got it ←
15:01:41 <cbuilara> zakim, ??P7 is me
Carlos Buil Aranda: zakim, ??P7 is me ←
15:01:50 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cbuilara; got it ←
15:01:53 <Zakim> +??P13
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P13 ←
15:01:56 <AndyS> zakim, ??P13 is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P13 is me ←
15:01:57 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
15:02:21 <AxelPolleres> 41# on your telephone keypad is "raise hand" for those who need to identify themselves
Axel Polleres: 41# on your telephone keypad is "raise hand" for those who need to identify themselves ←
15:02:44 <AxelPolleres> 40# on your telephone keypad is "hand down"
Axel Polleres: 40# on your telephone keypad is "hand down" ←
15:02:55 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:02:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see NickH, kasei, AxelPolleres, Ivan, +33.4.92.38.aabb, MattPerry, cbuilara, AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see NickH, kasei, AxelPolleres, Ivan, +33.4.92.38.aabb, MattPerry, cbuilara, AndyS ←
15:03:06 <OlivierCorby> Zakim, aabb is me
Olivier Corby: Zakim, aabb is me ←
15:03:06 <Zakim> +OlivierCorby; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +OlivierCorby; got it ←
15:03:29 <Zakim> +pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: +pgearon ←
15:03:35 <AxelPolleres> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-11-16
15:03:41 <AxelPolleres> chair: Axel Polleres
15:03:47 <AxelPolleres> scribe: NickH
(Scribe set to Nicholas Humfrey)
15:03:54 <AxelPolleres> regrets: souri, Lee, sandro
15:04:23 <Zakim> + +44.208.439.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.208.439.aadd ←
15:04:30 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:04:34 <SteveH> Zakim, aadd is me
Steve Harris: Zakim, aadd is me ←
15:04:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see NickH, kasei, AxelPolleres, Ivan, OlivierCorby, MattPerry, cbuilara, AndyS, pgearon, +44.208.439.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see NickH, kasei, AxelPolleres, Ivan, OlivierCorby, MattPerry, cbuilara, AndyS, pgearon, +44.208.439.aadd ←
15:04:42 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveH; got it ←
15:05:10 <Zakim> -NickH
Zakim IRC Bot: -NickH ←
15:05:10 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-11-09
PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-11-09 ←
15:05:33 <cbuilara> I can try
Carlos Buil Aranda: I can try ←
15:05:40 <cbuilara> scribe: cbuilara
(Scribe set to Carlos Buil Aranda)
15:05:48 <AndyS> scribenick: cbuilara
15:05:49 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-11-09
RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-11-09 ←
15:06:06 <AndyS> topic: admin
15:06:25 <AxelPolleres> topic: ISSUE-16
15:06:25 <cbuilara> Topic: issue 15, aggregates
15:06:31 <cbuilara> ISSUE-16
15:06:36 <Zakim> +??P27
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P27 ←
15:06:43 <NickH> zakim, ??P27 is me
Nicholas Humfrey: zakim, ??P27 is me ←
15:06:43 <Zakim> +NickH; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +NickH; got it ←
15:06:56 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-16 by noting that aggregates define their semantics over mixed data types which can include errors, errors that propagate to a SELECT list result in an unbound variable, errors that propagate to GROUP BY clause result in an "unbound" key.
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-16 by noting that aggregates define their semantics over mixed data types which can include errors, errors that propagate to a SELECT list result in an unbound variable, errors that propagate to GROUP BY clause result in an "unbound" key. ←
15:06:56 <NickH> sorry, phone troubles :(
Nicholas Humfrey: sorry, phone troubles :( ←
15:07:21 <cbuilara> Lee's proposal: close issue 16 aggregates and errors,
Lee's proposal: close ISSUE-16 aggregates and errors, ←
15:07:39 <SteveH> I think we should close
Steve Harris: I think we should close ←
15:07:46 <NickH> Axel: any opinions?
Axel Polleres: any opinions? [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:08:13 <NickH> Axel: Paul wrote lots about context
Axel Polleres: Paul wrote lots about context [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:08:30 <NickH> Axel: is that covered by this proposal
Axel Polleres: is that covered by this proposal [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:08:37 <kasei> +1
Gregory Williams: +1 ←
15:08:41 <NickH> Axel: any support for this proposal?
Axel Polleres: any support for this proposal? [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:09:16 <NickH> AndyS: are you planning in putting in expanitory text?
Andy Seaborne: are you planning in putting in expanitory text? [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:09:38 <AxelPolleres> +1
Axel Polleres: +1 ←
15:09:43 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
15:09:45 <NickH> Any other support?
Nicholas Humfrey: Any other support? ←
15:09:46 <OlivierCorby> +1
Olivier Corby: +1 ←
15:09:46 <cbuilara> +1
+1 ←
15:09:48 <NickH> +1
Nicholas Humfrey: +1 ←
15:09:49 <SteveH> +1
Steve Harris: +1 ←
15:10:00 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-16 by noting that aggregates define their semantics over mixed data types which can include errors, errors that propagate to a SELECT list result in an unbound variable, errors that propagate to GROUP BY clause result in an "unbound" key.
RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-16 by noting that aggregates define their semantics over mixed data types which can include errors, errors that propagate to a SELECT list result in an unbound variable, errors that propagate to GROUP BY clause result in an "unbound" key. ←
15:10:00 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?
Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:10:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei, AxelPolleres, Ivan, OlivierCorby, MattPerry, cbuilara, AndyS, pgearon, SteveH, NickH
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see kasei, AxelPolleres, Ivan, OlivierCorby, MattPerry, cbuilara, AndyS, pgearon, SteveH, NickH ←
15:10:10 <NickH> Axel: resolve to close
Axel Polleres: resolve to close [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:10:12 <AxelPolleres> close ISSUE-16
Axel Polleres: close ISSUE-16 ←
15:10:12 <trackbot> ISSUE-16 Dealing with aggregates over mixed datatypes closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-16 Dealing with aggregates over mixed datatypes closed ←
15:10:32 <AxelPolleres> topic: Potential shortcuts in update (ISSUE-59)
Summary: majority seems to be for postponing ISSUE-59
15:10:52 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/shortcuts.xml
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/shortcuts.xml ←
15:11:09 <NickH> Axel: Alex proposed three shortcuts
Axel Polleres: Alex proposed three shortcuts [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:11:20 <NickH> Axel: Copy, Move and Add
Axel Polleres: Copy, Move and Add [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:11:33 <NickH> Axel: Copy would allow you to copy one graph into another graph
Axel Polleres: Copy would allow you to copy one graph into another graph [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:11:49 <NickH> Axel: Move would do the same but remove the original graph
Axel Polleres: Move would do the same but remove the original graph [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:12:16 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-59 by including the shortcut operations from http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/shortcuts.xml within SPARQL 1.1 Update
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-59 by including the shortcut operations from http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/shortcuts.xml within SPARQL 1.1 Update ←
15:12:17 <NickH> Axel: the proposal is the following
Axel Polleres: the proposal is the following [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:12:28 <SteveH> Who has user experience?
Steve Harris: Who has user experience? ←
15:12:31 <kasei> can we do a strawpoll on this? I'm worried that we were too few last week to be representative of the group.
Gregory Williams: can we do a strawpoll on this? I'm worried that we were too few last week to be representative of the group. ←
15:12:31 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
15:12:34 <AndyS> me
Andy Seaborne: me ←
15:12:42 <SteveH> AndyS, can you say a little bit about it?
Steve Harris: AndyS, can you say a little bit about it? ←
15:12:49 <AndyS> sure ...
Andy Seaborne: sure ... ←
15:12:50 <kasei> 3/1/2 was the vote from last time
Gregory Williams: 3/1/2 was the vote from last time ←
15:13:04 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
15:13:14 <NickH> Axel: in the interests of going ahead, we should reach concensus or not do it
Axel Polleres: in the interests of going ahead, we should reach concensus or not do it [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:13:44 <NickH> AndyS: there is the redundency factor
Andy Seaborne: there is the redundency factor [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:14:12 <AxelPolleres> andy has implemented them, finds it handy
Axel Polleres: andy has implemented them, finds it handy ←
15:14:18 <NickH> AndyS: secondly there is the easy of optimisation
Andy Seaborne: secondly there is the easy of optimisation [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:14:34 <NickH> AndyS: much easier to spot the optimiations with the shortcuts
Andy Seaborne: much easier to spot the optimiations with the shortcuts [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:14:54 <NickH> SteveH: would be happier if more people had implemented them
Steve Harris: would be happier if more people had implemented them [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:15:18 <NickH> SteveH: very similar but not exactly the same and feels very early to be doing this
Steve Harris: very similar but not exactly the same and feels very early to be doing this [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:15:43 <NickH> Axel: we have a number of opinions and one concern
Axel Polleres: we have a number of opinions and one concern [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:15:44 <SteveH> "probably harmless"
Steve Harris: "probably harmless" ←
15:16:04 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-59 by including the shortcut operations from http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/shortcuts.xml within SPARQL 1.1 Update
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-59 by including the shortcut operations from http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/shortcuts.xml within SPARQL 1.1 Update ←
15:16:18 <SteveH> abstain
Steve Harris: abstain ←
15:16:27 <kasei> -1
Gregory Williams: -1 ←
15:16:41 <NickH> Axel: lets put in the proposal and would like a concensus
Axel Polleres: lets put in the proposal and would like a concensus [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:17:07 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:17:08 <NickH> Axel: kasei, can you tell us your objection
Axel Polleres: kasei, can you tell us your objection [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:17:28 <NickH> kasei: not sure if we have the experience to know if these are the shortcuts that users wants
Gregory Williams: not sure if we have the experience to know if these are the shortcuts that users wants [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:17:46 <NickH> ivan: we are adding and adding and to the terms in SPARQL
Ivan Herman: we are adding and adding and to the terms in SPARQL [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:18:00 <NickH> ivan large number of things to consume and understand
Nicholas Humfrey: ivan large number of things to consume and understand ←
15:18:04 <NickH> abstain
Nicholas Humfrey: abstain ←
15:18:06 <ivan> -0.5
Ivan Herman: -0.5 ←
15:18:06 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
15:18:09 <MattPerry> +1
Matthew Perry: +1 ←
15:18:10 <cbuilara> q+
q+ ←
15:18:11 <AxelPolleres> +1 (on behalf of DERI)
Axel Polleres: +1 (on behalf of DERI) ←
15:18:11 <OlivierCorby> 0
Olivier Corby: 0 ←
15:18:14 <SteveH> q+
Steve Harris: q+ ←
15:18:15 <pgearon> abstain
Paul Gearon: abstain ←
15:18:21 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
15:18:24 <cbuilara> abstain
abstain ←
15:18:50 <kasei> (somebody is breathing very loudly into the phone)
Gregory Williams: (somebody is breathing very loudly into the phone) ←
15:19:05 <AxelPolleres> 3/1.5/4
Axel Polleres: 3/1.5/4 ←
15:19:38 <NickH> Ivan: I won't lie down on the road to oppose this
Ivan Herman: I won't lie down on the road to oppose this [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:20:06 <AndyS> We usually write yes/0/no i.e. 3/4/1.5
Andy Seaborne: We usually write yes/0/no i.e. 3/4/1.5 ←
15:20:17 <NickH> SteveH: we can't resolve with 4 abstainsions
Steve Harris: we can't resolve with 4 abstainsions [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:20:29 <NickH> Axel: how can we go forward?
Axel Polleres: how can we go forward? [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:21:10 <NickH> Ivan: is does not reflct consensus, therefore it is rejected
Ivan Herman: is does not reflct consensus, therefore it is rejected [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:21:10 <SteveH> I'd be very happy to postopone it
Steve Harris: I'd be very happy to postopone it ←
15:21:22 <SteveH> ...make it the next groups problem
Steve Harris: ...make it the next groups problem ←
15:21:56 <kasei> +1 to postpone
Gregory Williams: +1 to postpone ←
15:21:57 <NickH> Axel: who would be happy to postopone issue 59?
Axel Polleres: who would be happy to postopone ISSUE-59? [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:21:58 <SteveH> +1 to postpone
Steve Harris: +1 to postpone ←
15:22:01 <AndyS> not really
Andy Seaborne: not really ←
15:22:05 <NickH> +1 to postpone
Nicholas Humfrey: +1 to postpone ←
15:22:07 <AxelPolleres> strawpoll: who wants to postpone ISSUE-59?
STRAWPOLL: who wants to postpone ISSUE-59? ←
15:22:10 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:22:17 <NickH> +1
Nicholas Humfrey: +1 ←
15:22:18 <AxelPolleres> -1 (on behalf of DERI)
Axel Polleres: -1 (on behalf of DERI) ←
15:22:23 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
15:22:50 <ivan> ack cbuilara
Ivan Herman: ack cbuilara ←
15:23:08 <NickH> sorry, I can't hear very well
Nicholas Humfrey: sorry, I can't hear very well ←
15:23:40 <NickH> Axel: if it is not in the spec, then it doesn't really exist
Axel Polleres: if it is not in the spec, then it doesn't really exist [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:23:57 <NickH> Axel: should we put it in the spec or not?
Axel Polleres: should we put it in the spec or not? [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:24:10 <NickH> cbuilara: I would leave it out
Carlos Buil Aranda: I would leave it out [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:24:25 <ivan> ack SteveH
Ivan Herman: ack SteveH ←
15:24:27 <SteveH> ack me
Steve Harris: ack me ←
15:24:36 <NickH> cbuilara: would postpone it and keep it as an unofficial extention
Carlos Buil Aranda: would postpone it and keep it as an unofficial extention [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:24:59 <NickH> SteveH: is it a strawpoll or an official vote?
Steve Harris: is it a strawpoll or an official vote? [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:25:34 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
15:25:35 <NickH> SteveH: not obvious what type of vote the original poll was
Steve Harris: not obvious what type of vote the original poll was [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:25:48 <NickH> ivan: what does postponing mean?
Ivan Herman: what does postponing mean? [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:25:55 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
15:26:27 <NickH> ivan: does it mean that we need more implementation experience? or that the complexity of the language is too much?
Ivan Herman: does it mean that we need more implementation experience? or that the complexity of the language is too much? [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:26:30 <AxelPolleres> ivan: two concerns, one about implementation experience, one about complicating the language
Ivan Herman: two concerns, one about implementation experience, one about complicating the language [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
15:27:12 <NickH> AndyS: my interpretation is that it is put on a list of things to look at later
Andy Seaborne: my interpretation is that it is put on a list of things to look at later [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:27:16 <AxelPolleres> andy: postponed was meant as "put it on the list of Postponed ISSUES"
Andy Seaborne: postponed was meant as "put it on the list of Postponed ISSUES" [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
15:27:45 <NickH> ivan: i agree with postponement
Ivan Herman: i agree with postponement [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:28:07 <AxelPolleres> summary: majority seems to be for postponing ISSUE-59
15:28:29 <NickH> Axel: we are likely not to such ISSUE-59 untl the end
Axel Polleres: we are likely not to such ISSUE-59 untl the end [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:28:36 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
15:28:38 <AndyS> I do not support postponing.
Andy Seaborne: I do not support postponing. ←
15:29:14 <NickH> AndyS: I think it is an importand issue and it isn't something that should be postponed
Andy Seaborne: I think it is an importand issue and it isn't something that should be postponed [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:29:26 <NickH> AndyS: take it to the community and see what they think
Andy Seaborne: take it to the community and see what they think [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:30:08 <NickH> Axel: that alternative would be to put it into the draft get feedback and then take it out again later
Axel Polleres: that alternative would be to put it into the draft get feedback and then take it out again later [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:30:20 <pgearon> +1 to avoid idioms
Paul Gearon: +1 to avoid idioms ←
15:30:57 <AxelPolleres> Andy: how about putting it in as "At risk" feature into LC
Andy Seaborne: how about putting it in as "At risk" feature into LC [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
15:31:00 <NickH> Axel: I don't see any problems with adding it to the next draft if we don't have agreement - it can be 'At risk"
Axel Polleres: I don't see any problems with adding it to the next draft if we don't have agreement - it can be 'At risk" [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:31:05 <AxelPolleres> Ivan: even possible in CR.
Ivan Herman: even possible in CR. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
15:31:22 <NickH> Axel: that would be a way that we could go forward
Axel Polleres: that would be a way that we could go forward [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:31:26 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:31:29 <ivan> ack AndyS
Ivan Herman: ack AndyS ←
15:31:29 <AndyS> q-
Andy Seaborne: q- ←
15:32:06 <NickH> Ivan: that is a way forward, I think that in the document we should make it clear the reason that it is At Risk and that we would like feedback
Ivan Herman: that is a way forward, I think that in the document we should make it clear the reason that it is At Risk and that we would like feedback [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:33:23 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: add update shortcuts in LC marked explicitly "AT RISK" and asking for feedback, explicitly about potentially complicating the language, and implementation experience
PROPOSED: add update shortcuts in LC marked explicitly "AT RISK" and asking for feedback, explicitly about potentially complicating the language, and implementation experience ←
15:33:27 <SteveH> -1, I think it's a bad idea
Steve Harris: -1, I think it's a bad idea ←
15:33:40 <NickH> this is a strawpoll
Nicholas Humfrey: this is a strawpoll ←
15:33:44 <ivan> 1
Ivan Herman: 1 ←
15:33:54 <NickH> 0
15:34:03 <OlivierCorby> 0
Olivier Corby: 0 ←
15:34:07 <NickH> AndyS: can you say why this is a bad idea?
Andy Seaborne: can you say why this is a bad idea? [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:34:48 <NickH> SteveH: this is quite a big chunk of text to add to the document. But is mainly a 'faster horses' problem. If you ask people if they want faster horses, they wil say they want it
Steve Harris: this is quite a big chunk of text to add to the document. But is mainly a 'faster horses' problem. If you ask people if they want faster horses, they wil say they want it [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:35:24 <AxelPolleres> q+ to speak with chairhat off for Alex
Axel Polleres: q+ to speak with chairhat off for Alex ←
15:35:26 <NickH> SteveH: the 'faster horses' propblem is a quote from Henry Ford about why User Focus groups don't work
Steve Harris: the 'faster horses' propblem is a quote from Henry Ford about why User Focus groups don't work [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:35:46 <AxelPolleres> +1
Axel Polleres: +1 ←
15:35:49 <NickH> SteveH: is a an example of when you will get bad results from asking users what they want
Steve Harris: is a an example of when you will get bad results from asking users what they want [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:36:00 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
15:36:05 <ivan> ack iv_an_ru
Ivan Herman: ack iv_an_ru ←
15:36:05 <NickH> SteveH: it will add 4 or 5 extra pages of specification
Steve Harris: it will add 4 or 5 extra pages of specification [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:36:09 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
15:36:09 <AxelPolleres> ack ivan
Axel Polleres: ack ivan ←
15:36:14 <SteveH> maybe 3 or 4
Steve Harris: maybe 3 or 4 ←
15:36:49 <AndyS> It's 1.5 pages currently for me in FF
Andy Seaborne: It's 1.5 pages currently for me in FF ←
15:36:50 <NickH> Axel: this is nor really makeing the language more complex but making it easier for users
Axel Polleres: this is nor really makeing the language more complex but making it easier for users [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:37:03 <NickH> Axel: the spec is already there
Axel Polleres: the spec is already there [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:37:05 <kasei> q+
Gregory Williams: q+ ←
15:37:14 <AxelPolleres> ack AxelPolleres
Axel Polleres: ack AxelPolleres ←
15:37:14 <Zakim> AxelPolleres, you wanted to speak with chairhat off for Alex
Zakim IRC Bot: AxelPolleres, you wanted to speak with chairhat off for Alex ←
15:38:31 <NickH> greg: we have already described that there are two possible ways of storing, either as graphstores or quadstores. I don't think this is idiomatic in any way.
Gregory Williams: we have already described that there are two possible ways of storing, either as graphstores or quadstores. I don't think this is idiomatic in any way. [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:39:18 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: add update shortcuts in LC marked explicitly "AT RISK" and asking for feedback, explicitly about potentially complicating the language, and implementation experience
PROPOSED: add update shortcuts in LC marked explicitly "AT RISK" and asking for feedback, explicitly about potentially complicating the language, and implementation experience ←
15:39:28 <NickH> Axel: now putting this forward for an offical vote
Axel Polleres: now putting this forward for an offical vote [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:39:35 <SteveH> abstain
Steve Harris: abstain ←
15:39:37 <kasei> 0
15:39:38 <pgearon> +1
Paul Gearon: +1 ←
15:39:39 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
15:39:39 <ivan> 1
Ivan Herman: 1 ←
15:39:40 <OlivierCorby> abstain
Olivier Corby: abstain ←
15:39:42 <cbuilara> abstain
abstain ←
15:39:42 <AxelPolleres> +1 (for DERI)
Axel Polleres: +1 (for DERI) ←
15:39:43 <MattPerry> +1
Matthew Perry: +1 ←
15:39:45 <NickH> 0
15:39:54 <SteveH> what does 0 mean?
Steve Harris: what does 0 mean? ←
15:40:09 <SteveH> you can either abstain, object, or be silent
Steve Harris: you can either abstain, object, or be silent ←
15:40:13 <NickH> abstain
Nicholas Humfrey: abstain ←
15:40:34 <AxelPolleres> 4/5/0
Axel Polleres: 4/5/0 ←
15:40:58 <NickH> Axel: there are still a lot of abstaintions, but no objections
Axel Polleres: there are still a lot of abstaintions, but no objections [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:41:10 <NickH> SteveH: still can't move forward from this
Steve Harris: still can't move forward from this [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:41:33 <NickH> AndyS: you can move forward from this, abstain could mean "don't care"
Andy Seaborne: you can move forward from this, abstain could mean "don't care" [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:41:58 <NickH> Ivan: my feeling right now is to move on and postpone the issue
Ivan Herman: my feeling right now is to move on and postpone the issue [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:42:24 <NickH> Axel: I need to talk to Alex and see what he says
Axel Polleres: I need to talk to Alex and see what he says [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:42:37 <NickH> Axel: and see if he objects to this
Axel Polleres: and see if he objects to this [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:42:54 <AxelPolleres> summary: majority seems to be for postponing ISSUE-59
15:42:57 <NickH> Axel: what is your opinion AndyS?
Axel Polleres: what is your opinion AndyS? [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:43:29 <NickH> AndyS: I see no evidence of that conclusion
Andy Seaborne: I see no evidence of that conclusion [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:44:23 <AxelPolleres> Suggest to bring these two questions forward again when Alex is back: (a) put in as AT RISK (b) POSTPONE ISSUE-59
Axel Polleres: Suggest to bring these two questions forward again when Alex is back: (a) put in as AT RISK (b) POSTPONE ISSUE-59 ←
15:44:39 <NickH> Axel: moving on to next topic
Axel Polleres: moving on to next topic [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:44:45 <AxelPolleres> topic: Grouping by expressions
15:45:04 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: The GROUP BY clause can include expressions with or without AS aliases. These aliases can be re-used in the HAVING clause and query result clause.
PROPOSED: The GROUP BY clause can include expressions with or without AS aliases. These aliases can be re-used in the HAVING clause and query result clause. ←
15:46:02 <NickH> Axel: last time there was some discussion if the BIND in the where clause might be redundant
Axel Polleres: last time there was some discussion if the BIND in the where clause might be redundant [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:46:14 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: The GROUP BY clause can include expressions with or without AS aliases. These aliases can be re-used in the HAVING clause and query result clause (i.e. SELECT or CONSTRUCT clause). projections created in the SELECT clause are not accessible for GROUP BY expressions.
PROPOSED: The GROUP BY clause can include expressions with or without AS aliases. These aliases can be re-used in the HAVING clause and query result clause (i.e. SELECT or CONSTRUCT clause). projections created in the SELECT clause are not accessible for GROUP BY expressions. ←
15:46:43 <kasei> +1
Gregory Williams: +1 ←
15:46:54 <NickH> Axel: projections after groupings
Axel Polleres: projections after groupings [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:46:55 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
15:46:59 <SteveH> is the idea that { ... BIND( expr AS ?x ) } GROUP BY ?x exatly= { ... } GROU�P BY (expr AS ?x) ...
Steve Harris: is the idea that { ... BIND( expr AS ?x ) } GROUP BY ?x exatly= { ... } GROU�P BY (expr AS ?x) ... ←
15:47:02 <kasei> ack kasei
Gregory Williams: ack kasei ←
15:47:34 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
15:47:49 <kasei> except that GROUP BY (expr) wouldn't cause an extra variable binding
Gregory Williams: except that GROUP BY (expr) wouldn't cause an extra variable binding ←
15:48:45 <NickH> sorry, having trouble hearing/understanding this bit
Nicholas Humfrey: sorry, having trouble hearing/understanding this bit ←
15:49:57 <NickH> SteveH: there could be a variety of different things happening after the SELECT
Steve Harris: there could be a variety of different things happening after the SELECT [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:50:27 <NickH> AndyS: if you do SELECT COUNT(*) then there is an implicit grouping
Andy Seaborne: if you do SELECT COUNT(*) then there is an implicit grouping [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:50:37 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: The GROUP BY clause can include expressions with or without AS aliases. These aliases can be re-used in the HAVING clause and query result clause (i.e. SELECT or CONSTRUCT clause). projections created in the SELECT clause are not accessible for GROUP BY expressions.
PROPOSED: The GROUP BY clause can include expressions with or without AS aliases. These aliases can be re-used in the HAVING clause and query result clause (i.e. SELECT or CONSTRUCT clause). projections created in the SELECT clause are not accessible for GROUP BY expressions. ←
15:50:49 <Zakim> -NickH
Zakim IRC Bot: -NickH ←
15:50:59 <NickH> stupid phone
Nicholas Humfrey: stupid phone ←
15:51:05 <cbuilara> sure
sure ←
15:51:42 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: I do not see any objection, vote proposal
Axel Polleres: I do not see any objection, vote proposal ←
15:51:43 <Zakim> +??P27
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P27 ←
15:51:47 <kasei> +1
Gregory Williams: +1 ←
15:51:53 <AxelPolleres> +1
Axel Polleres: +1 ←
15:51:54 <OlivierCorby> +1
Olivier Corby: +1 ←
15:51:54 <MattPerry> +1
Matthew Perry: +1 ←
15:51:55 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
15:51:56 <ivan> 0
Ivan Herman: 0 ←
15:51:58 <cbuilara> 0
0 ←
15:52:03 <NickH> +1
Nicholas Humfrey: +1 ←
15:52:07 <pgearon> +1
Paul Gearon: +1 ←
15:52:18 <cbuilara> 8 +1, 2 abstentions
8 +1, 2 abstentions ←
15:52:22 <NickH> Zakim, ??P27 is me
Nicholas Humfrey: Zakim, ??P27 is me ←
15:52:22 <Zakim> +NickH; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +NickH; got it ←
15:52:43 <cbuilara> sorry, 7 +1
sorry, 7 +1 ←
15:52:44 <AxelPolleres> 7/2/0
Axel Polleres: 7/2/0 ←
15:53:05 <NickH> Axel: I guess we can accept it
Axel Polleres: I guess we can accept it [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:53:08 <SteveH> 8/2/0, I didn't say anything
Steve Harris: 8/2/0, I didn't say anything ←
15:53:10 <kasei> I didn't abstain
Gregory Williams: I didn't abstain ←
15:53:10 <ivan> forever hold my piece
Ivan Herman: forever hold my piece ←
15:53:25 <NickH> Axel: anyone want to explain their abstention?
Axel Polleres: anyone want to explain their abstention? [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:53:29 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: The GROUP BY clause can include expressions with or without AS aliases. These aliases can be re-used in the HAVING clause and query result clause (i.e. SELECT or CONSTRUCT clause). projections created in the SELECT clause are not accessible for GROUP BY expressions.
RESOLVED: The GROUP BY clause can include expressions with or without AS aliases. These aliases can be re-used in the HAVING clause and query result clause (i.e. SELECT or CONSTRUCT clause). projections created in the SELECT clause are not accessible for GROUP BY expressions. ←
15:54:01 <NickH> Axel: a few minutes left...
Axel Polleres: a few minutes left... [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:54:15 <AxelPolleres> topic: function library
15:54:25 <NickH> Axel: see if we can agree anything on the function library
Axel Polleres: see if we can agree anything on the function library [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:54:27 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0188.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0188.html ←
15:54:55 <AxelPolleres> no objections against including these
Axel Polleres: no objections against including these ←
15:55:28 <AxelPolleres> 17.4.1 bound .... 17.4.24 NOT EXISTS and EXIST
Axel Polleres: 17.4.1 bound .... 17.4.24 NOT EXISTS and EXIST ←
15:55:34 <NickH> Axel: we have a set of functions already in the current draft that are non-controversial
Axel Polleres: we have a set of functions already in the current draft that are non-controversial [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:55:48 <AxelPolleres> plus RAND() RAND (seed)
Axel Polleres: plus RAND() RAND (seed) ←
15:56:24 <NickH> Axel: would there be any objection to the functions in Lee's email?
Axel Polleres: would there be any objection to the functions in Lee's email? [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:56:40 <NickH> Axel: silence is taken as agreement
Axel Polleres: silence is taken as agreement [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:56:54 <AxelPolleres> fn:concat
Axel Polleres: fn:concat ←
15:57:20 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath-functions/#func-concat
Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath-functions/#func-concat ←
15:57:20 <NickH> Axel: there was some discussion about concat, and if it needs to be redefined for SPARQL
Axel Polleres: there was some discussion about concat, and if it needs to be redefined for SPARQL [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:57:27 <SteveH> we have variable arity already
Steve Harris: we have variable arity already ←
15:57:49 <NickH> AndyS: the problem with concat is that it takes an existing type and casts it to string
Andy Seaborne: the problem with concat is that it takes an existing type and casts it to string [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:58:07 <AndyS> s/existing/xsd atomicType/
Andy Seaborne: s/existing/xsd atomicType/ ←
15:58:19 <SteveH> I think we should use fn:concat as is
Steve Harris: I think we should use fn:concat as is ←
15:58:28 <NickH> Axel: it would mean rather than casting to string, it would use our special string function
Axel Polleres: it would mean rather than casting to string, it would use our special string function [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
15:58:30 <SteveH> but not for +
Steve Harris: but not for + ←
15:58:35 <AxelPolleres> AXEL: CONCAT() would be either implicitly use STR() or only acccept strings
Axel Polleres: CONCAT() would be either implicitly use STR() or only acccept strings [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
15:59:43 <NickH> AndyS: it can either only accept a string or it can blow up
Andy Seaborne: it can either only accept a string or it can blow up [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
16:00:14 <NickH> Axel: there are two options to add our own function
Axel Polleres: there are two options to add our own function [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
16:00:23 <AxelPolleres> variable arity is fine
Axel Polleres: variable arity is fine ←
16:00:35 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:00:39 <AndyS> q-
Andy Seaborne: q- ←
16:00:52 <NickH> Axel: we are running out of time, going to finish the queue
Axel Polleres: we are running out of time, going to finish the queue [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
16:00:56 <AxelPolleres> ack AndyS
Axel Polleres: ack AndyS ←
16:01:23 <ivan> http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/REC-rif-dtb-20100622/
Ivan Herman: http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/REC-rif-dtb-20100622/ ←
16:01:28 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
16:01:37 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
16:01:41 <NickH> Ivan: the RIF people have already been through this, can't we just use their definition
Ivan Herman: the RIF people have already been through this, can't we just use their definition [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
16:02:24 <NickH> Axel: there are no errors in RIF, but SPARQL does have errors, so we can return an error
Axel Polleres: there are no errors in RIF, but SPARQL does have errors, so we can return an error [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
16:02:50 <NickH> Ivan: there should be compatibility between RIF and SPARQL
Ivan Herman: there should be compatibility between RIF and SPARQL [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
16:03:36 <SteveH> +1 to using a similar set of functions as RIF
Steve Harris: +1 to using a similar set of functions as RIF ←
16:03:41 <NickH> Ivan: I understand that there are semantic different, but if I was a dumb user, I would want them to behave in the same way
Ivan Herman: I understand that there are semantic different, but if I was a dumb user, I would want them to behave in the same way [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
16:03:53 <SteveH> or at least a similar set of names
Steve Harris: or at least a similar set of names ←
16:04:30 <NickH> Axel: the things that are mentioned in Lee's email do not contrdict that
Axel Polleres: the things that are mentioned in Lee's email do not contrdict that [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
16:05:14 <ivan> zakim, drop me
Ivan Herman: zakim, drop me ←
16:05:14 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan is being disconnected ←
16:05:16 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
16:05:19 <Zakim> -MattPerry
Zakim IRC Bot: -MattPerry ←
16:05:20 <Zakim> -SteveH
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveH ←
16:05:22 <Zakim> -kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei ←
16:05:22 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to take functions discussion on email.
ACTION: Axel to take functions discussion on email. ←
16:05:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-333 - Take functions discussion on email. [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-11-23].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-333 - Take functions discussion on email. [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-11-23]. ←
16:05:23 <Zakim> -OlivierCorby
Zakim IRC Bot: -OlivierCorby ←
16:05:25 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: -AxelPolleres ←
16:05:26 <Zakim> -pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon ←
16:05:29 <Zakim> -cbuilara
Zakim IRC Bot: -cbuilara ←
16:05:35 <SteveH> AndyS, why are you in favour of type strictness for CONCAT()?
Steve Harris: AndyS, why are you in favour of type strictness for CONCAT()? ←
16:05:42 <SteveH> maybe I'm missing something
Steve Harris: maybe I'm missing something ←
16:05:44 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public
Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make records public ←
16:06:15 <AndyS> I'm not - was expressing alternatives as I recall discussion
Andy Seaborne: I'm not - was expressing alternatives as I recall discussion ←
16:06:18 <NickH> Axel, sorry about calling you Alex! Im not the best at typing fast!
Nicholas Humfrey: Axel, sorry about calling you Alex! Im not the best at typing fast! ←
16:06:24 <SteveH> AndyS, ah, ok
Steve Harris: AndyS, ah, ok ←
16:06:24 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
16:06:58 <Zakim> -NickH
Zakim IRC Bot: -NickH ←
16:06:59 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended ←
16:07:01 <AndyS> We are strict for REGEX, say.
Andy Seaborne: We are strict for REGEX, say. ←
16:07:01 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.310.729.aaaa, AxelPolleres, AndyS, kasei, Ivan, +33.4.92.38.aabb, +1.603.897.aacc, MattPerry, NickH, cbuilara, OlivierCorby, pgearon, +44.208.439.aadd, SteveH
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +1.310.729.aaaa, AxelPolleres, AndyS, kasei, Ivan, +33.4.92.38.aabb, +1.603.897.aacc, MattPerry, NickH, cbuilara, OlivierCorby, pgearon, +44.208.439.aadd, SteveH ←
16:07:32 <AndyS> I do think strict for + makes sense as a conservative spec choice.
Andy Seaborne: I do think strict for + makes sense as a conservative spec choice. ←
16:07:41 <NickH> Axel: I think it was the UK phone number gateway that kept disconnecting me - it is still far from ideal
Axel Polleres: I think it was the UK phone number gateway that kept disconnecting me - it is still far from ideal [ Scribe Assist by Nicholas Humfrey ] ←
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