fed issues to be further discussed next time, certainly bound vs potentially bound needs discussion, ties in with error handling, what does call with "unbound" mean? error or something else? other comments (Greg's), etc.
13:36:43 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/10/12-sparql-irc
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13:53:00 <LeeF> Looking at the end of last week's minutes, I'm not sure of an example that differentiates between "in place" and "end of gorup" semantics for binds, given the resolution that to use simple (error to assign to in-scope variable) semantics
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Lee Feigenbaum: Looking at the end of last week's minutes, I'm not sure of an example that differentiates between "in place" and "end of gorup" semantics for binds, given the resolution that to use simple (error to assign to in-scope variable) semantics ←
13:53:10 <LeeF> AndyS, I don't know if you've thought about this at all
Lee Feigenbaum: AndyS, I don't know if you've thought about this at all ←
13:53:26 <LeeF> looking at this bit from the end of last week's call
Lee Feigenbaum: looking at this bit from the end of last week's call ←
13:53:27 <LeeF> """
Lee Feigenbaum: """ ←
13:53:29 <LeeF> Lee Feigenbaum: WHERE { ?x ns:q ?v . KW(?two := 2*?v) . ?x ns:q: ?two } ←
Lee Feigenbaum: Lee Feigenbaum: WHERE { ?x ns:q ?v . KW(?two := 2*?v) . ?x ns:q: ?two } ← ←
13:53:29 <LeeF> <LeeF> in place semantics: the above is allowed
Lee Feigenbaum: <LeeF> in place semantics: the above is allowed ←
13:53:29 <LeeF> Lee Feigenbaum: in place semantics: the above is allowed ←
Lee Feigenbaum: Lee Feigenbaum: in place semantics: the above is allowed ← ←
13:53:29 <LeeF> <LeeF> end of group semantics: the above is an error
Lee Feigenbaum: <LeeF> end of group semantics: the above is an error ←
13:53:29 <LeeF> Lee Feigenbaum: end of group semantics: the above is an error ←
Lee Feigenbaum: Lee Feigenbaum: end of group semantics: the above is an error ← ←
13:53:30 <LeeF> <SteveH__> it might be an error either way
Lee Feigenbaum: <SteveH__> it might be an error either way ←
13:53:33 <LeeF> Steve Harris: it might be an error either way ←
Lee Feigenbaum: Steve Harris: it might be an error either way ← ←
13:53:34 <LeeF> <SteveH__> ?two is still in scope
Lee Feigenbaum: <SteveH__> ?two is still in scope ←
13:53:37 <LeeF> Steve Harris: ?two is still in scope ←
Lee Feigenbaum: Steve Harris: ?two is still in scope ← ←
13:53:39 <LeeF> whoa, that pasted awfully
Lee Feigenbaum: whoa, that pasted awfully ←
13:53:41 <LeeF> i'm sorry
Lee Feigenbaum: i'm sorry ←
13:53:44 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-10-05#line0307
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-10-05#line0307 ←
13:54:05 <SteveH> no zakim?
Steve Harris: no zakim? ←
13:54:11 <AxelPolleres> I tried to summarise the status/options quickly... http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0072.html
Axel Polleres: I tried to summarise the status/options quickly... http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0072.html ←
13:54:30 <AxelPolleres> trackbot,, this will be sparql
Axel Polleres: trackbot,, this will be sparql ←
13:54:36 <AxelPolleres> trackbot, this will be sparql
Axel Polleres: trackbot, this will be sparql ←
13:54:36 <trackbot> Sorry, AxelPolleres, I don't understand 'trackbot, this will be sparql'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
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13:54:47 <AxelPolleres> trackbot, start meeting
Axel Polleres: trackbot, start meeting ←
13:54:47 <AxelPolleres> regrets: Souri
13:54:47 <AxelPolleres> chair: Axel Polleres
13:54:50 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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13:54:52 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
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13:54:52 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes ←
13:54:53 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:54:53 <trackbot> Date: 12 October 2010
13:55:01 <SteveH> Scribe: SteveH
(Scribe set to Steve Harris)
13:55:07 <NickH> who is here?
Nicholas Humfrey: who is here? ←
13:55:22 <NickH> zakim, who is here?
Nicholas Humfrey: zakim, who is here? ←
13:55:22 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, NickH
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, NickH ←
13:55:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see SteveH, NickH, RRSAgent, OlivierCorby, LeeF, AxelPolleres, cbuilara_, AndyS, ivan, iv_an_ru, AlexPassant, pgearon, trackbot, ericP, kasei, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see SteveH, NickH, RRSAgent, OlivierCorby, LeeF, AxelPolleres, cbuilara_, AndyS, ivan, iv_an_ru, AlexPassant, pgearon, trackbot, ericP, kasei, sandro ←
13:56:10 <LeeF> AxelPolleres, I don't think your summary is accurate
Lee Feigenbaum: AxelPolleres, I don't think your summary is accurate ←
13:56:31 <LeeF> in particular, the equivalence you give would have been the join/filter semantics, not the simple semantics
Lee Feigenbaum: in particular, the equivalence you give would have been the join/filter semantics, not the simple semantics ←
13:56:35 <AndyS> zakim, start meeting
Andy Seaborne: zakim, start meeting ←
13:56:35 <Zakim> I don't understand 'start meeting', AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'start meeting', AndyS ←
13:56:54 <LeeF> trackbot, start meeting
Lee Feigenbaum: trackbot, start meeting ←
13:56:56 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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13:56:58 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be 77277 ←
13:56:58 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes ←
13:56:58 <AxelPolleres> LeeF, ok let me know where I am wrong...
Axel Polleres: LeeF, ok let me know where I am wrong... ←
13:56:59 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:56:59 <trackbot> Date: 12 October 2010
13:57:16 <LeeF> Well, the subquery equivalence doesn't make it an error to project a variable that's then bound in the same scope as the subquery
Lee Feigenbaum: Well, the subquery equivalence doesn't make it an error to project a variable that's then bound in the same scope as the subquery ←
13:57:29 <LeeF> and that's what the group decided (simple semantics) to do for bind/assignment
Lee Feigenbaum: and that's what the group decided (simple semantics) to do for bind/assignment ←
13:57:30 <SteveH> Zakim, who's on the phone?
Zakim, who's on the phone? ←
13:57:30 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, SteveH
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, SteveH ←
13:57:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see SteveH, NickH, RRSAgent, OlivierCorby, LeeF, AxelPolleres, cbuilara_, AndyS, ivan, iv_an_ru, AlexPassant, pgearon, trackbot, ericP, kasei, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see SteveH, NickH, RRSAgent, OlivierCorby, LeeF, AxelPolleres, cbuilara_, AndyS, ivan, iv_an_ru, AlexPassant, pgearon, trackbot, ericP, kasei, sandro ←
13:57:36 <LeeF> zakim, this will be sparql
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, this will be sparql ←
13:57:36 <Zakim> ok, LeeF, I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, LeeF, I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM already started ←
13:57:42 <Zakim> -??P12
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P12 ←
13:57:42 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone?
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, who's on the phone? ←
13:57:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P9, Garlik, AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P9, Garlik, AxelPolleres ←
13:58:06 <Zakim> +??P12
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12 ←
13:58:12 <AndyS> zakim, ??P12 is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P12 is me ←
13:58:12 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
13:58:21 <AxelPolleres> LeeF, I thought that order-dependence means that only the use of var within P1 (ie on the rhs of assignment) would be restricted?
Axel Polleres: LeeF, I thought that order-dependence means that only the use of var within P1 (ie on the rhs of assignment) would be restricted? ←
13:58:25 <Zakim> +OlivierCorby
Zakim IRC Bot: +OlivierCorby ←
13:58:27 <SteveH> Zakim, Garlik is temporarily me
Zakim, Garlik is temporarily me ←
13:58:27 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveH; got it ←
13:58:54 <NickH> zakim, ??P9 is me
Nicholas Humfrey: zakim, ??P9 is me ←
13:58:54 <Zakim> +NickH; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +NickH; got it ←
13:59:07 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
13:59:07 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
13:59:09 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
13:59:29 <Zakim> +kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: +kasei ←
13:59:56 <LeeF> AxelPolleres, I see what you're saying
Lee Feigenbaum: AxelPolleres, I see what you're saying ←
14:00:42 <LeeF> I can live with that, though I probably won't change my implementation to do it that way, since I think it's weird :)
Lee Feigenbaum: I can live with that, though I probably won't change my implementation to do it that way, since I think it's weird :) ←
14:00:44 <Zakim> +MattPerry
Zakim IRC Bot: +MattPerry ←
14:00:50 <bglimm> all circuits are busy now...
Birte Glimm: all circuits are busy now... ←
14:01:06 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-10-12
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-10-12 ←
14:01:36 <LeeF> no wait, i do'nt think that equivalence works
Lee Feigenbaum: no wait, i do'nt think that equivalence works ←
14:01:39 <Zakim> + +1.617.553.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.617.553.aaaa ←
14:01:44 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-10-05
PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-10-05 ←
14:02:05 <Zakim> +bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm ←
14:02:07 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-10-05
RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-10-05 ←
14:02:10 <NickH> I wasn't there last week
Nicholas Humfrey: I wasn't there last week ←
14:02:16 <NickH> but I am in the Seen list
Nicholas Humfrey: but I am in the Seen list ←
14:02:27 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
14:02:27 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←
14:02:31 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:02:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see NickH, SteveH, AxelPolleres, AndyS, OlivierCorby, Ivan, kasei, MattPerry, +1.617.553.aaaa, bglimm (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see NickH, SteveH, AxelPolleres, AndyS, OlivierCorby, Ivan, kasei, MattPerry, +1.617.553.aaaa, bglimm (muted) ←
14:02:32 <ivan> regrets for next week
Ivan Herman: regrets for next week ←
14:02:42 <ivan> zakim, mute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me ←
14:02:43 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted ←
14:02:47 <SteveH> regrets for me too
regrets for me too ←
14:02:53 <LeeF> NickH, thanks, I'll fix that
Lee Feigenbaum: NickH, thanks, I'll fix that ←
14:03:02 <bglimm> There was some other Nick last week
Birte Glimm: There was some other Nick last week ←
14:03:15 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: comments. we have some comments to deal with
Axel Polleres: comments. we have some comments to deal with ←
14:03:16 <AxelPolleres> topic: comments
14:03:19 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments ←
14:03:19 <cbuilara_> I can't connect to the phone, I'm using skype and I do not have a phone that allows me to make international calls :(
Carlos Buil Aranda: I can't connect to the phone, I'm using skype and I do not have a phone that allows me to make international calls :( ←
14:03:33 <SteveH> ... some things we have not decided, andsome things marked open
... some things we have not decided, andsome things marked open ←
14:03:34 <cbuilara_> I will comment hre
Carlos Buil Aranda: I will comment hre ←
14:03:43 <SteveH> ... some comments by g. Klyne
... some comments by g. Klyne ←
14:04:31 <SteveH> ... on optional and aggregates
... on optional and aggregates ←
14:05:46 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: steveH to draft a reply to GK-1 and Gk-2
ACTION: steveH to draft a reply to GK-1 and Gk-2 ←
14:05:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-322 - Draft a reply to GK-1 and Gk-2 [on Steve Harris - due 2010-10-19].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-322 - Draft a reply to GK-1 and Gk-2 [on Steve Harris - due 2010-10-19]. ←
14:06:21 <Zakim> +??P27
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P27 ←
14:06:31 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:RV-4
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:RV-4 ←
14:06:33 <SteveH> I'm not sure I liked the draft to the wiki page, but it should be searchable
I'm not sure I liked the draft to the wiki page, but it should be searchable ←
14:07:00 <SteveH> ^^ is hte one
^^ is hte one ←
14:07:35 <SteveH> long discussion started by richard ?
long discussion started by richard ? ←
14:07:42 <Zakim> +pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: +pgearon ←
14:07:52 <SteveH> can anyone summarise?
can anyone summarise? ←
14:08:01 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: can anyone summarise
Axel Polleres: can anyone summarise ←
14:08:14 <SteveH> ... someone should look and and see where we have to respond
... someone should look and and see where we have to respond ←
14:08:58 <SteveH> LeeF: we need to spend time on protocol, but havent
Lee Feigenbaum: we need to spend time on protocol, but havent ←
14:09:14 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: maybe we should just have some reaction
Axel Polleres: maybe we should just have some reaction ←
14:09:32 <SteveH> LeeF: there was some confusion about what was formal
Lee Feigenbaum: there was some confusion about what was formal ←
14:09:37 <SteveH> q+
q+ ←
14:09:58 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: lets keep it open
Axel Polleres: lets keep it open ←
14:10:03 <SteveH> q-
q- ←
14:10:06 <AxelPolleres> keep comments RC-1,RC-2 open until prot has settled
Axel Polleres: keep comments RC-1,RC-2 open until prot has settled ←
14:10:32 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: re. comment from GK on OPTIONAL
Axel Polleres: re. comment from GK on OPTIONAL ←
14:10:52 <SteveH> ... on OPTIONAL with nested FILTER
... on OPTIONAL with nested FILTER ←
14:10:55 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
14:11:22 <AxelPolleres> ack AndyS
Axel Polleres: ack AndyS ←
14:11:34 <SteveH> AndyS: it's a different query with {}s opposed to without
Andy Seaborne: it's a different query with {}s opposed to without ←
14:11:53 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: GK wants some explanation
Axel Polleres: GK wants some explanation ←
14:11:59 <SteveH> ... I think it's enough to reply on list
... I think it's enough to reply on list ←
14:12:16 <SteveH> AndyS: there are so many possible cases, I don't see anythig fundamnetal on this one
Andy Seaborne: there are so many possible cases, I don't see anythig fundamnetal on this one ←
14:12:27 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: I will draft reply
Axel Polleres: I will draft reply ←
14:12:43 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to draft reply on GK-3
ACTION: Axel to draft reply on GK-3 ←
14:12:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-323 - Draft reply on GK-3 [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-10-19].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-323 - Draft reply on GK-3 [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-10-19]. ←
14:13:06 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: agreed 5 drafts to be published this week
Axel Polleres: agreed 5 drafts to be published this week ←
14:13:07 <AxelPolleres> topic: publication status
14:13:20 <SteveH> ... offical date is 2010-10-14
... offical date is 2010-10-14 ←
14:13:35 <SteveH> ... problems with broken links, will figure out with staff + editors
... problems with broken links, will figure out with staff + editors ←
14:13:57 <AxelPolleres> topic: LET/BIND/assignment
14:14:07 <LeeF> thanks very much to Birte for writing up the steps to prepare docs for publication!!
Lee Feigenbaum: thanks very much to Birte for writing up the steps to prepare docs for publication!! ←
14:14:11 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: not much discussion since last week on list
Axel Polleres: not much discussion since last week on list ←
14:14:15 <SteveH> ... tried to summarise
... tried to summarise ←
14:14:19 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0072.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0072.html ←
14:14:46 <SteveH> ... preference for simple semantics
... preference for simple semantics ←
14:15:03 <SteveH> ... this means that assignment would just be syntactic sugar for subselect
... this means that assignment would just be syntactic sugar for subselect ←
14:15:22 <SteveH> ... should it be order dependent?
... should it be order dependent? ←
14:15:34 <LeeF> No
Lee Feigenbaum: No ←
14:15:35 <SteveH> ... Andy said that this is order dependent
... Andy said that this is order dependent ←
14:15:37 <ivan> is subselect order dependent?
Ivan Herman: is subselect order dependent? ←
14:15:40 <LeeF> that's not true
Lee Feigenbaum: that's not true ←
14:15:43 <LeeF> ARQ uses join/filter semantics
Lee Feigenbaum: ARQ uses join/filter semantics ←
14:15:44 <SteveH> ... I think this would be inline with my understanding
... I think this would be inline with my understanding ←
14:15:49 <LeeF> so it's NOT order dependent iN ARQ
Lee Feigenbaum: so it's NOT order dependent iN ARQ ←
14:16:05 <SteveH> AndyS: it's not order dependent in ARQ
Andy Seaborne: it's not order dependent in ARQ ←
14:16:17 <AxelPolleres> { P1 KW(Expr AS ?Var) P2}
Axel Polleres: { P1 KW(Expr AS ?Var) P2} ←
14:16:19 <AxelPolleres> =:=
Axel Polleres: =:= ←
14:16:19 <AxelPolleres> { { SELECT * (Expr AS ?Var) { P1} } P2 }
Axel Polleres: { { SELECT * (Expr AS ?Var) { P1} } P2 } ←
14:16:20 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: q is whether these two things are equiv
Axel Polleres: q is whether these two things are equiv ←
14:16:33 <SteveH> q+
q+ ←
14:16:45 <SteveH> q-
q- ←
14:17:32 <LeeF> Error if P1 contains ?Var
Lee Feigenbaum: Error if P1 contains ?Var ←
14:17:33 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
14:17:34 <kasei> q+
Gregory Williams: q+ ←
14:17:51 <LeeF> alternative meaning is { { SELECT * (Expr AS ?var) { P1 . P2 } } }
Lee Feigenbaum: alternative meaning is { { SELECT * (Expr AS ?var) { P1 . P2 } } } ←
14:18:02 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: if it's syntactic sugar for this, then it is order dep
Axel Polleres: if it's syntactic sugar for this, then it is order dep ←
14:18:04 <SteveH> q+_
q+_ ←
14:18:07 <SteveH> q+
q+ ←
14:18:11 <SteveH> q-_
q-_ ←
14:18:14 <LeeF> q- _
Lee Feigenbaum: q- _ ←
14:18:21 <kasei> q-
Gregory Williams: q- ←
14:18:31 <LeeF> ack ivan
Lee Feigenbaum: ack ivan ←
14:18:32 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
14:18:45 <SteveH> ivan�: is subselect order dependent
ivan�: is subselect order dependent ←
14:18:54 <SteveH> ... then bind is not order dependent
... then bind is not order dependent ←
14:19:21 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: assignment is order dependent because which part is on the left depends on whats inside and whats outside
Axel Polleres: assignment is order dependent because which part is on the left depends on whats inside and whats outside ←
14:19:25 <LeeF> Axel's version ("in place" semantics) -- the bind operator "breaks up" a group
Lee Feigenbaum: Axel's version ("in place" semantics) -- the bind operator "breaks up" a group ←
14:19:29 <SteveH> ... determines syntactic restrictions
... determines syntactic restrictions ←
14:19:42 <LeeF> "end of group" semantics just shoves all assignments to the "bottom"/"end" of the group
Lee Feigenbaum: "end of group" semantics just shoves all assignments to the "bottom"/"end" of the group ←
14:19:52 <AndyS> Lee's test case: WHERE { ?x ns:q ?v . KW(?two := 2*?v) . ?x ns:q: ?two }
Andy Seaborne: Lee's test case: WHERE { ?x ns:q ?v . KW(?two := 2*?v) . ?x ns:q: ?two } ←
14:19:54 <SteveH> ... discussed syntactit restriction for project expr, pending agreement
... discussed syntactit restriction for project expr, pending agreement ←
14:20:03 <SteveH> ... t oapttern 1 not 2
... t oapttern 1 not 2 ←
14:20:22 <SteveH> ... according to my semantics this would be ok
... according to my semantics this would be ok ←
14:20:32 <SteveH> ... because ?two is only bound on RHS
... because ?two is only bound on RHS ←
14:20:36 <SteveH> ... so it would be ok
... so it would be ok ←
14:20:49 <SteveH> ... with alt rewriting then it would not be ok
... with alt rewriting then it would not be ok ←
14:21:21 <LeeF> ack SteveH
Lee Feigenbaum: ack SteveH ←
14:22:03 <AndyS> Example please
Andy Seaborne: Example please ←
14:22:15 <LeeF> +1 AndyS, examples!
Lee Feigenbaum: +1 AndyS, examples! ←
14:22:38 <LeeF> end of pattern in lexical order seems reasonable
Lee Feigenbaum: end of pattern in lexical order seems reasonable ←
14:22:49 <LeeF> zakim, who's speaking?
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, who's speaking? ←
14:22:59 <Zakim> LeeF, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AndyS (9%)
Zakim IRC Bot: LeeF, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AndyS (9%) ←
14:23:07 <AxelPolleres> { ?x ns:q ?v . KW(?two := 2*?v) . ?x ns:q: ?two KW(?two := 3*?v)
Axel Polleres: { ?x ns:q ?v . KW(?two := 2*?v) . ?x ns:q: ?two KW(?two := 3*?v) ←
14:23:38 <LeeF> alternative meaning is { { SELECT * (Expr AS ?var) { P1 . P2 } } }
Lee Feigenbaum: alternative meaning is { { SELECT * (Expr AS ?var) { P1 . P2 } } } ←
14:24:45 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: one is order dep. one is not
Axel Polleres: one is order dep. one is not ←
14:25:02 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: downside of not order dep is that you can't use ?var in P2
Axel Polleres: downside of not order dep is that you can't use ?var in P2 ←
14:25:24 <SteveH> ... personal pref for order dependence
... personal pref for order dependence ←
14:25:38 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
14:25:48 <LeeF> ack ivan
Lee Feigenbaum: ack ivan ←
14:26:12 <SteveH> ivan: if we introduce order dep is this a new thing in the ql
Ivan Herman: if we introduce order dep is this a new thing in the ql ←
14:26:22 <SteveH> ... optional is a very different animal
... optional is a very different animal ←
14:26:37 <SteveH> AndyS: lots of things are order dependent
Andy Seaborne: lots of things are order dependent ←
14:26:42 <SteveH> ... it's shuffling around the {}s
... it's shuffling around the {}s ←
14:27:13 <SteveH> ivan: yes, but that means order dependence without {}s, in basic model grap patterns are not order dep
Ivan Herman: yes, but that means order dependence without {}s, in basic model grap patterns are not order dep ←
14:27:34 <SteveH> ... on the mental model side we introduce something with order dep, I don't like that
... on the mental model side we introduce something with order dep, I don't like that ←
14:27:40 <SteveH> +1 to ivan
+1 to ivan ←
14:27:44 <SteveH> seems odd to me
seems odd to me ←
14:28:01 <SteveH> AndyS: people want to write it to reuse later in expression
Andy Seaborne: people want to write it to reuse later in expression ←
14:28:10 <LeeF> right, people like to write their queries in the order they expect it to execute
Lee Feigenbaum: right, people like to write their queries in the order they expect it to execute ←
14:28:13 <SteveH> ... lees testcase is getting at that
... lees testcase is getting at that ←
14:28:27 <SteveH> ... argue for people intuition than anything else
... argue for people intuition than anything else ←
14:28:41 <SteveH> ... I don't think many people think of FILTERS as floating, but it happens to work out
... I don't think many people think of FILTERS as floating, but it happens to work out ←
14:28:45 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
14:28:47 <SteveH> ... people read queries l->r
... people read queries l->r ←
14:28:57 <AxelPolleres> straw poll
Axel Polleres: straw poll ←
14:28:59 <AxelPolleres> 1) order dependent { P1 KW(Expr AS ?Var) P2} =:= { { SELECT *
Axel Polleres: 1) order dependent { P1 KW(Expr AS ?Var) P2} =:= { { SELECT * ←
14:28:59 <AxelPolleres> (Expr AS ?Var) { P1} } P2 }
Axel Polleres: (Expr AS ?Var) { P1} } P2 } ←
14:28:59 <AxelPolleres> 2) oder-indepentent { P1 KW(Expr AS ?Var) P2} =:= { { SELECT *
Axel Polleres: 2) oder-indepentent { P1 KW(Expr AS ?Var) P2} =:= { { SELECT * ←
14:28:59 <AxelPolleres> (Expr AS ?Var) { P1 . P2 } }
Axel Polleres: (Expr AS ?Var) { P1 . P2 } } ←
14:29:36 <pgearon> 1
Paul Gearon: 1 ←
14:29:40 <AndyS> 1 - mildly (but this is rushed)
Andy Seaborne: 1 - mildly (but this is rushed) ←
14:29:41 <kasei> 0
14:29:42 <SteveH> 0
0 ←
14:29:43 <bglimm> 0
Birte Glimm: 0 ←
14:29:43 <ivan> 0
Ivan Herman: 0 ←
14:29:44 <OlivierCorby> -1
Olivier Corby: -1 ←
14:29:56 <NickH> 0
14:29:57 <MattPerry> 1
Matthew Perry: 1 ←
14:29:58 <SteveH> -1 also
-1 also ←
14:30:13 <cbuilara_> 0
14:30:26 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: seems we had strong preference that we wanted it
Axel Polleres: seems we had strong preference that we wanted it ←
14:30:36 <SteveH> -1 = dont want [from me]
-1 = dont want [from me] ←
14:30:46 <SteveH> feels too rushed, dont understand consequences
feels too rushed, dont understand consequences ←
14:30:48 <AxelPolleres> 1 (no-chair, of course)
Axel Polleres: 1 (no-chair, of course) ←
14:31:21 <pgearon> +q
Paul Gearon: +q ←
14:31:35 <SteveH> q+
q+ ←
14:32:55 <pgearon> q-
Paul Gearon: q- ←
14:32:59 <SteveH> pgearon: question about subsel mapping
Paul Gearon: question about subsel mapping ←
14:33:04 <ivan> if I have to choose, I choose #2
Ivan Herman: if I have to choose, I choose #2 ←
14:34:41 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: in pricimple we could go ahead but we have some "objections"
Axel Polleres: in pricimple we could go ahead but we have some "objections" ←
14:34:46 <SteveH> ... my preference to to go with 1
... my preference to to go with 1 ←
14:35:07 <SteveH> ... I would propose to implement one, see what comments we get then go ahead
... I would propose to implement one, see what comments we get then go ahead ←
14:35:14 <LeeF> We still need to discuss syntax.
Lee Feigenbaum: We still need to discuss syntax. ←
14:35:18 <SteveH> ... can we close with that conclusion?
... can we close with that conclusion? ←
14:35:21 <LeeF> And then probably a reoslution to close ISSUE-57
Lee Feigenbaum: And then probably a reoslution to close ISSUE-57 ←
14:35:23 <SteveH> [not keen]
[not keen] ←
14:35:29 <AxelPolleres> conclusion: go ahead with option 1) noting that we have some reservations.
Axel Polleres: conclusion: go ahead with option 1) noting that we have some reservations. ←
14:35:35 <ivan> zakim, mute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me ←
14:35:35 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted ←
14:36:06 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0072.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0072.html ←
14:36:45 <SteveH> AxelPolleres, syntax, BIND/LET and :=/AS
AxelPolleres, syntax, BIND/LET and :=/AS ←
14:37:09 <SteveH> ... start with BIND v's LET
... start with BIND v's LET ←
14:37:16 <SteveH> +BIND - LET
+BIND - LET ←
14:37:24 <AxelPolleres> strawpoll +1 BIND -1 LET
Axel Polleres: strawpoll +1 BIND -1 LET ←
14:37:30 <kasei> +1
Gregory Williams: +1 ←
14:37:33 <ivan> -1
Ivan Herman: -1 ←
14:37:33 <SteveH> +1
+1 ←
14:37:33 <AndyS> BIND (mildly)
Andy Seaborne: BIND (mildly) ←
14:37:37 <MattPerry> -1
Matthew Perry: -1 ←
14:37:44 <LeeF> BIND (mildly)
Lee Feigenbaum: BIND (mildly) ←
14:37:49 <bglimm> -1 (but not strong)
Birte Glimm: -1 (but not strong) ←
14:37:57 <AxelPolleres> +1
Axel Polleres: +1 ←
14:38:15 <AndyS> SET is good as well.
Andy Seaborne: SET is good as well. ←
14:38:29 <SteveH> AndyS, SET does something else in SQL
AndyS, SET does something else in SQL ←
14:38:30 <pgearon> +1
Paul Gearon: +1 ←
14:38:41 <pgearon> ooops, -1
Paul Gearon: ooops, -1 ←
14:38:44 <bglimm> no
Birte Glimm: no ←
14:38:46 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
14:38:47 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: of those who voted for LET, would any object to BIND
Axel Polleres: of those who voted for LET, would any object to BIND ←
14:39:01 <pgearon> I prefer "LET"
Paul Gearon: I prefer "LET" ←
14:39:01 <AxelPolleres> ack SteveH
Axel Polleres: ack SteveH ←
14:39:07 <LeeF> ack AndyS
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AndyS ←
14:39:21 <SteveH> AndyS: preference is related to pt. 2, BIND goes with AS, LET better with :=
Andy Seaborne: preference is related to pt. 2, BIND goes with AS, LET better with := ←
14:39:27 <LeeF> i think we ought to just decide between:
Lee Feigenbaum: i think we ought to just decide between: ←
14:39:28 <LeeF> LET :=
Lee Feigenbaum: LET := ←
14:39:31 <LeeF> BIND :=
Lee Feigenbaum: BIND := ←
14:39:33 <LeeF> BIND .. .AS
Lee Feigenbaum: BIND .. .AS ←
14:39:36 <MattPerry> I agree with Andy
Matthew Perry: I agree with Andy ←
14:39:39 <LeeF> those are the only 3 serious ones i've seen suggestd
Lee Feigenbaum: those are the only 3 serious ones i've seen suggestd ←
14:39:39 <SteveH> me too
me too ←
14:40:02 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: LET := / BIND := / BIND AS
Axel Polleres: LET := / BIND := / BIND AS ←
14:40:12 <AxelPolleres> put 1, 2 3 ...
Axel Polleres: put 1, 2 3 ... ←
14:40:15 <SteveH> 3
3 ←
14:40:17 <LeeF> 3
Lee Feigenbaum: 3 ←
14:40:18 <pgearon> 1
Paul Gearon: 1 ←
14:40:18 <kasei> 3 (BIND/AS)
Gregory Williams: 3 (BIND/AS) ←
14:40:19 <AxelPolleres> 3
Axel Polleres: 3 ←
14:40:22 <MattPerry> 1
Matthew Perry: 1 ←
14:40:22 <bglimm> 1
Birte Glimm: 1 ←
14:40:26 <AndyS> BIND AS (at this current moment) May change based on experience
Andy Seaborne: BIND AS (at this current moment) May change based on experience ←
14:40:31 <ivan> 3 (put it this way, let us keep to other syntaxes)
Ivan Herman: 3 (put it this way, let us keep to other syntaxes) ←
14:41:13 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: if there are comments we might change, but we have a solution everyone can live with
Axel Polleres: if there are comments we might change, but we have a solution everyone can live with ←
14:41:51 <SteveH> pgearon: people I've spoken to don't have an intuition re. BIND, we know what it means
Paul Gearon: people I've spoken to don't have an intuition re. BIND, we know what it means ←
14:41:52 <AndyS> strawpoll was 4(BIND AS)/3(LET :=)
Andy Seaborne: strawpoll was 4(BIND AS)/3(LET :=) ←
14:42:01 <LeeF> Surprised to hear that, since (expr AS ?var) is pretty much exactly what SQL does
Lee Feigenbaum: Surprised to hear that, since (expr AS ?var) is pretty much exactly what SQL does ←
14:42:09 <SteveH> .. people prefer the word LET
.. people prefer the word LET ←
14:42:39 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: midl preference for BIND AS
Axel Polleres: midl preference for BIND AS ←
14:42:43 <SteveH> ... need to go ahead
... need to go ahead ←
14:42:44 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-57 with the semantics as per the rewriting in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0072.html and using the syntax (BIND expr AS ?var)
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-57 with the semantics as per the rewriting in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0072.html and using the syntax (BIND expr AS ?var) ←
14:42:59 <pgearon> sure, I agree that people understand "AS". It's actually the word "BIND" that is the problem.
Paul Gearon: sure, I agree that people understand "AS". It's actually the word "BIND" that is the problem. ←
14:44:21 <LeeF> pgearon, I see, thanks
Lee Feigenbaum: pgearon, I see, thanks ←
14:44:36 <ivan> s/the/on the/
Ivan Herman: s/the/on the/ ←
14:44:45 <SteveH> abstain
abstain ←
14:44:53 <LeeF> +1
Lee Feigenbaum: +1 ←
14:44:53 <AndyS> +1 caveat the semantics exactly.
Andy Seaborne: +1 caveat the semantics exactly. ←
14:44:56 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
14:44:56 <SteveH> [on the basis that I think it's clumsy]
[on the basis that I think it's clumsy] ←
14:45:00 <MattPerry> +1
Matthew Perry: +1 ←
14:45:05 <AxelPolleres> +1
Axel Polleres: +1 ←
14:45:08 <pgearon> abstain
Paul Gearon: abstain ←
14:45:12 <NickH> 0.9
Nicholas Humfrey: 0.9 ←
14:45:16 <kasei> +1
Gregory Williams: +1 ←
14:45:18 <bglimm> abstain
Birte Glimm: abstain ←
14:45:19 <OlivierCorby> abstain
Olivier Corby: abstain ←
14:45:24 <cbuilara_> abstain
Carlos Buil Aranda: abstain ←
14:45:38 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-57 with the semantics as per the rewriting in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0072.html �and using the syntax (BIND expr AS ?var)
RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-57 with the semantics as per the rewriting in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0072.html �and using the syntax (BIND expr AS ?var) ←
14:45:45 <AxelPolleres> close ISSUE-57
Axel Polleres: close ISSUE-57 ←
14:45:45 <trackbot> ISSUE-57 Assignment/LET closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-57 Assignment/LET closed ←
14:45:51 <SteveH> 6 abstensions?
6 abstensions? ←
14:45:53 <LeeF> with SteveH, pgearon, bglimm, OlivierCorby, cbuilara_ abstaining
Lee Feigenbaum: with SteveH, pgearon, bglimm, OlivierCorby, cbuilara_ abstaining ←
14:45:54 <SteveH> 5 sorry
5 sorry ←
14:46:00 <Zakim> -pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon ←
14:46:07 <pgearon> [on the basis that I would prefer different syntax, but agree with the principle]
Paul Gearon: [on the basis that I would prefer different syntax, but agree with the principle] ←
14:46:12 <cbuilara_> +q
Carlos Buil Aranda: +q ←
14:46:21 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: discussions on federation
Axel Polleres: discussions on federation ←
14:46:25 <AxelPolleres> topic: federation
Summary: fed issues to be further discussed next time, certainly bound vs potentially bound needs discussion, ties in with error handling, what does call with "unbound" mean? error or something else? other comments (Greg's), etc.
14:46:55 <LeeF> ack cbuilara_
Lee Feigenbaum: ack cbuilara_ ←
14:46:57 <cbuilara_> I'm trying to talk
Carlos Buil Aranda: I'm trying to talk ←
14:46:59 <cbuilara_> +q
Carlos Buil Aranda: +q ←
14:47:01 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0070.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0070.html ←
14:47:10 <Zakim> +pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: +pgearon ←
14:47:54 <AxelPolleres> Carlos: implicit order should be respected
Carlos Buil Aranda: implicit order should be respected [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:48:07 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Certainly_bound
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Certainly_bound ←
14:49:31 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: under which conditions are variables bound?
Axel Polleres: under which conditions are variables bound? ←
14:49:42 <SteveH> ... how to deal with errors in svc call
... how to deal with errors in svc call ←
14:49:59 <SteveH> ... current doc is quite restrictive, any failed svc fails query, do we want that
... current doc is quite restrictive, any failed svc fails query, do we want that ←
14:50:35 <SteveH> ... on drawback is order in which call is executed is implicit, determined by engine
... on drawback is order in which call is executed is implicit, determined by engine ←
14:51:04 <SteveH> ... ...
... ... ←
14:51:17 <AxelPolleres> {SERVICE ?X {s1 p1 ?o} s2 p2 ?X }
Axel Polleres: {SERVICE ?X {s1 p1 ?o} s2 p2 ?X } ←
14:51:25 <AxelPolleres> {s2 p2 ?X SERVICE ?X {s1 p1 ?o} }
Axel Polleres: {s2 p2 ?X SERVICE ?X {s1 p1 ?o} } ←
14:51:36 <SteveH> ... would have the same meaning in carlo's defn.
... would have the same meaning in carlo's defn. ←
14:51:44 <SteveH> ... impl. needs to determine the order
... impl. needs to determine the order ←
14:52:06 <SteveH> ... it seems to work, and [sth] is still defined
... it seems to work, and [sth] is still defined ←
14:52:19 <SteveH> ... one alternative is to say that it's the same as graphpattern
... one alternative is to say that it's the same as graphpattern ←
14:52:25 <SteveH> ... but then need to define scope
... but then need to define scope ←
14:52:27 <SteveH> q+
q+ ←
14:52:54 <AxelPolleres> ack SteveH
Axel Polleres: ack SteveH ←
14:53:13 <ivan> ack cbuilara_
Ivan Herman: ack cbuilara_ ←
14:53:21 <AxelPolleres> SteveH: order-intependence is appealing, but want to hear from someone who implemented it
Steve Harris: order-intependence is appealing, but want to hear from someone who implemented it [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:53:24 <SteveH> SteveH: would like to hear from someone with impl. experience
Steve Harris: would like to hear from someone with impl. experience ←
14:53:27 <cbuilara_> +q
Carlos Buil Aranda: +q ←
14:54:11 <SteveH> cbuilara_, well defined patterns, don't have impl. yet[?]
cbuilara_, well defined patterns, don't have impl. yet[?] ←
14:54:16 <SteveH> ... with order
... with order ←
14:54:33 <cbuilara_> well f
Carlos Buil Aranda: well f ←
14:54:46 <cbuilara_> dewell defined patterns -> well designed patterns
Carlos Buil Aranda: dewell defined patterns -> well designed patterns ←
14:55:23 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: current doc says variable must be bound, but doesn't explain meaning
Axel Polleres: current doc says variable must be bound, but doesn't explain meaning ←
14:55:26 <kasei> q+
Gregory Williams: q+ ←
14:55:42 <AxelPolleres> ack cbuilara_
Axel Polleres: ack cbuilara_ ←
14:55:57 <SteveH> kasei: if were going with var. endpoints I think better would be potentiall bound that we've already got
Gregory Williams: if were going with var. endpoints I think better would be potentiall bound that we've already got ←
14:56:01 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Potentially_bound
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Potentially_bound ←
14:56:10 <SteveH> kasei, that would go hand in hand with error conditions
kasei, that would go hand in hand with error conditions ←
14:56:30 <SteveH> ... if error doesn't abort potential bound is the way to go
... if error doesn't abort potential bound is the way to go ←
14:56:42 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: would you accept that the variable might not be bound
Axel Polleres: would you accept that the variable might not be bound ←
14:57:05 <SteveH> kasei: I think the query planner has to know that the var is potentially bound otherwise users will never be able to figure it out
Gregory Williams: I think the query planner has to know that the var is potentially bound otherwise users will never be able to figure it out ←
14:57:11 <SteveH> q+ to ask about ISWC
q+ to ask about ISWC ←
14:57:24 <SteveH> ... don't see any reason to prevent it, assuming error doesnt abot query
... don't see any reason to prevent it, assuming error doesnt abot query ←
14:58:20 <kasei> SteveH, my ideas on why that might be useful were within UNIONs and OPTIONALs
Gregory Williams: SteveH, my ideas on why that might be useful were within UNIONs and OPTIONALs ←
14:58:32 <SteveH> kasei, ah, ok, makes sense
kasei, ah, ok, makes sense ←
14:58:44 <SteveH> AxelPolleres, certainly/potential bound needs more discussion
AxelPolleres, certainly/potential bound needs more discussion ←
14:58:50 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: certainly/potential bound needs more discussion
Axel Polleres: certainly/potential bound needs more discussion ←
14:58:54 <SteveH> ... ties in with error handling
... ties in with error handling ←
15:00:03 <Zakim> -MattPerry
Zakim IRC Bot: -MattPerry ←
15:00:08 <AxelPolleres> summary: fed issues to be further discussed next time, certainly bound vs potentially bound needs discussion, ties in with error handling, what does call with "unbound" mean? error or something else? other comments (Greg's), etc.
15:00:09 <SteveH> parallel with FILTER errors
parallel with FILTER errors ←
15:00:29 <SteveH> AndyS: have other comments on doc to deal with
Andy Seaborne: have other comments on doc to deal with ←
15:00:44 <SteveH> ... kasei's is significant
... kasei's is significant ←
15:00:58 <kasei> the content was mostly good, but it's in a very different style...
Gregory Williams: the content was mostly good, but it's in a very different style... ←
15:01:01 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: more dicussion on ML please
Axel Polleres: more dicussion on ML please ←
15:01:08 <ivan> zakim, drop me
Ivan Herman: zakim, drop me ←
15:01:08 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan is being disconnected ←
15:01:10 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
15:01:20 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:01:20 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted ←
15:02:15 <SteveH> bye
bye ←
15:02:18 <Zakim> -SteveH
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveH ←
15:02:19 <Zakim> - +1.617.553.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.617.553.aaaa ←
15:02:22 <bglimm> bye
Birte Glimm: bye ←
15:02:24 <SteveH> AndyS, good!
AndyS, good! ←
15:02:26 <Zakim> -kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei ←
15:02:28 <Zakim> -bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm ←
15:02:31 <Zakim> -NickH
Zakim IRC Bot: -NickH ←
15:02:32 <Zakim> -OlivierCorby
Zakim IRC Bot: -OlivierCorby ←
15:02:35 <AxelPolleres> nothing on the official ISWC sched�ule. but we should meet up
Axel Polleres: nothing on the official ISWC sched�ule. but we should meet up ←
15:02:37 <Zakim> -pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon ←
15:02:40 <AndyS> kasei ?
Andy Seaborne: kasei ? ←
15:02:43 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: -AxelPolleres ←
15:02:44 <cbuilara_> bye
Carlos Buil Aranda: bye ←
15:02:47 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
15:02:48 <AxelPolleres> adjourned
Axel Polleres: adjourned ←
15:02:48 <kasei> yes?
Gregory Williams: yes? ←
15:03:05 <Zakim> -??P27
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P27 ←
15:03:06 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended ←
15:03:07 <Zakim> Attendees were AxelPolleres, [IPcaller], AndyS, OlivierCorby, SteveH, NickH, Ivan, kasei, MattPerry, +1.617.553.aaaa, bglimm, pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were AxelPolleres, [IPcaller], AndyS, OlivierCorby, SteveH, NickH, Ivan, kasei, MattPerry, +1.617.553.aaaa, bglimm, pgearon ←
15:03:07 <AndyS> Do you have an impl of SPARQL HTTP I can test against?
Andy Seaborne: Do you have an impl of SPARQL HTTP I can test against? ←
15:03:23 <kasei> the REST stuff?
Gregory Williams: the REST stuff? ←
15:03:34 <AndyS> StveH, ditto - what's a good 4Store public server to test against?
Andy Seaborne: StveH, ditto - what's a good 4Store public server to test against? ←
15:03:39 <AndyS> yes - REST stuff
Andy Seaborne: yes - REST stuff ←
15:03:49 <AndyS> SteveH, ditto - what's a good 4Store public server to test against?
Andy Seaborne: SteveH, ditto - what's a good 4Store public server to test against? ←
15:03:57 <kasei> i don't think so... KjetilK has a partial implementation somewhere, but I'm not sure how complete it is...
Gregory Williams: i don't think so... KjetilK has a partial implementation somewhere, but I'm not sure how complete it is... ←
15:04:06 <SteveH> AndyS, hm... BBC guys have one, don't know URI offhand
AndyS, hm... BBC guys have one, don't know URI offhand ←
15:05:06 <kasei> i've mostly focused on query/update/service description so far...
Gregory Williams: i've mostly focused on query/update/service description so far... ←
15:05:21 <AndyS> OK - will see if BBC has a public facing one. (not sure it's publically accessible - only via a web appl)
Andy Seaborne: OK - will see if BBC has a public facing one. (not sure it's publically accessible - only via a web appl) ←
15:05:30 <kasei> interested in the http stuff, but it's on the back burner
Gregory Williams: interested in the http stuff, but it's on the back burner ←
15:05:39 <SteveH> AndyS, what were you hoping to test, most people firewall off update for e.g.
AndyS, what were you hoping to test, most people firewall off update for e.g. ←
15:05:53 <AndyS> kasei, what does "implement service description" cover?
Andy Seaborne: kasei, what does "implement service description" cover? ←
15:05:55 <SteveH> AndyS, I think the SPARQL endpoint is publically accessible
AndyS, I think the SPARQL endpoint is publically accessible ←
15:06:05 <AndyS> SteveH, GET and HEAD => graph naming tests
Andy Seaborne: SteveH, GET and HEAD => graph naming tests ←
15:06:14 <SteveH> I don't think we impl. GET
I don't think we impl. GET ←
15:06:24 <kasei> hooking it up to the endpoint code and getting dataset descriptions, available extensions functions, etc. in place...
Gregory Williams: hooking it up to the endpoint code and getting dataset descriptions, available extensions functions, etc. in place... ←
15:06:39 <AndyS> kasei, ack
Andy Seaborne: kasei, ack ←
15:07:44 <kasei> Andy, it's a bit sparse, but see for example: http://triplr.org/turtle/myrdf.us/sparql11
Gregory Williams: Andy, it's a bit sparse, but see for example: http://triplr.org/turtle/myrdf.us/sparql11 ←
15:08:41 <AndyS> got to run
Andy Seaborne: got to run ←
15:13:21 <AxelPolleres> thanks all...
Axel Polleres: thanks all... ←
15:13:31 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public
Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make records public ←
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