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13:58:57 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
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13:58:57 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
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13:58:58 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:58:58 <trackbot> Date: 08 June 2010
14:00:03 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started
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14:00:10 <Zakim> +kasei
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14:00:49 <Zakim> +pgearon
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14:00:56 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres
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14:01:19 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
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14:01:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei, pgearon, AxelPolleres
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14:01:20 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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14:01:26 <AndyS> zakim, IPCaller is me
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14:01:26 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
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14:01:35 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aaaa
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14:01:47 <MattPerry> zakim, aaaa is me
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14:01:47 <Zakim> +MattPerry; got it
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14:01:48 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
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14:01:48 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
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14:01:49 <Zakim> +Ivan
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14:01:54 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
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14:01:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei, pgearon, AxelPolleres, AndyS, MattPerry, Ivan
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14:02:10 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aabb
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14:02:14 <Zakim> +[Garlik]
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14:02:17 <AxelPolleres> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-06-08
14:02:29 <SteveH> Zakim, [Garlik] is temporaily me
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14:02:29 <Zakim> I don't understand '[Garlik] is temporaily me', SteveH
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14:02:39 <SteveH> Zakim, [Garlik] is temporarily me
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14:02:39 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it
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14:02:39 <AxelPolleres> scribe: SteveH
(Scribe set to Steve Harris)
14:02:48 <AxelPolleres> chair: AxelPolleres
14:02:52 <Zakim> +Sandro
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14:03:03 <Zakim> +??P33
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14:03:08 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
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14:03:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei, pgearon, AxelPolleres, AndyS, MattPerry, Ivan, +1.603.897.aabb, SteveH, Sandro, ??P33
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14:03:22 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-06-08
Sandro Hawke: sandro has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-06-08 ←
14:03:30 <Souri> zakim, aabb is me
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14:03:30 <Zakim> +Souri; got it
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14:03:30 <NicholasHumfrey> Zakim, ??P33 is me
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14:03:31 <Zakim> +NicholasHumfrey; got it
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14:03:33 <SteveH> there's too much noise on the line
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14:03:41 <SteveH> Zakim, who's speaking?
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14:03:44 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-06-08
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-06-08 ←
14:03:51 <Zakim> SteveH, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AxelPolleres (8%), Sandro (38%), Ivan (20%)
Zakim IRC Bot: SteveH, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AxelPolleres (8%), Sandro (38%), Ivan (20%) ←
14:04:05 <sandro> better?
Sandro Hawke: better? ←
14:04:11 <SteveH> sandro, yes, thanks
sandro, yes, thanks ←
14:04:12 <NicholasHumfrey> yes
Nicholas Humfrey: yes ←
14:04:23 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-06-01
PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-06-01 ←
14:04:40 <SteveH> +1
+1 ←
14:04:43 <NicholasHumfrey> +1
Nicholas Humfrey: +1 ←
14:04:48 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-06-01
RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-06-01 ←
14:05:14 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments ←
14:05:19 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: all comments are assigned, look at page please
Axel Polleres: all comments are assigned, look at page please ←
14:05:28 <SteveH> ... some old ones are still open
... some old ones are still open ←
14:05:37 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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14:05:43 <LeeF> zakim, IPcaller is me
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, IPcaller is me ←
14:05:43 <Zakim> +LeeF; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +LeeF; got it ←
14:06:19 <SteveH> ... IRI creating comment, I will reply
... IRI creating comment, I will reply ←
14:06:33 <SteveH> ... doesn't look too bad, but please update
... doesn't look too bad, but please update ←
14:06:58 <AxelPolleres> topic: liaisons
14:07:29 <SteveH> Souri: rdf2rdb has progress, almost ready to publish
Souripriya Das: rdf2rdb has progress, almost ready to publish ←
14:07:36 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
14:07:47 <AxelPolleres> ack sandro
Axel Polleres: ack sandro ←
14:07:52 <LeeF> (I don't think the RDB group needs a UC&R review from the SPARQL WG)
Lee Feigenbaum: (I don't think the RDB group needs a UC&R review from the SPARQL WG) ←
14:08:13 <SteveH> sandro: rif, today is the last day of the review period
Sandro Hawke: rif, today is the last day of the review period ←
14:08:28 <SteveH> ... egov, working on charter for linked data for govt. working group
... egov, working on charter for linked data for govt. working group ←
14:08:45 <SteveH> ... lots of enthusiasm, put together some education and outreach, plus more serious stuff
... lots of enthusiasm, put together some education and outreach, plus more serious stuff ←
14:08:52 <SteveH> ... might produce recommendations
... might produce recommendations ←
14:09:16 <OlivierCorby> Not able to join the telcon, the phone is out of order here ...
Olivier Corby: Not able to join the telcon, the phone is out of order here ... ←
14:09:29 <AxelPolleres> topic: http rdf update TC
14:09:33 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-06-07
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-06-07 ←
14:09:38 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: update minutes
Axel Polleres: update minutes ←
14:10:15 <SteveH> ... no resolutions, but base URI agreement on how it's addressed, proposed text from chime
... no resolutions, but base URI agreement on how it's addressed, proposed text from chime ←
14:10:31 <SteveH> ... will add example for when there no BASE in the payload
... will add example for when there no BASE in the payload ←
14:10:46 <SteveH> ... resolved terminology change re. networked rdf knowledge
... resolved terminology change re. networked rdf knowledge ←
14:11:04 <Souri> UC&R FPWD for RDB2RDF: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/use-cases/
Souripriya Das: UC&R FPWD for RDB2RDF: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/use-cases/ ←
14:11:09 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/49
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/49 ←
14:11:16 <SteveH> ... discussion about graph URIs er. ISSE-49
... discussion about graph URIs er. ISSE-49 ←
14:11:32 <SteveH> ... not sure what to do about URIs which [sth] when you reference them
... not sure what to do about URIs which [sth] when you reference them ←
14:11:52 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues#httpRange-14
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues#httpRange-14 ←
14:12:30 <SteveH> ... want to point out that we dont want to discourage, we expect that some might allow HTTP and other protocol
... want to point out that we dont want to discourage, we expect that some might allow HTTP and other protocol ←
14:12:56 <SteveH> ... want to say that it might lead to ambiguity, give general warning, point to TAG issue
... want to say that it might lead to ambiguity, give general warning, point to TAG issue ←
14:13:03 <SteveH> ... how/can we do that?
... how/can we do that? ←
14:13:20 <SteveH> ... can we reference a TAG issue in a Rec track document?
... can we reference a TAG issue in a Rec track document? ←
14:13:26 <Zakim> + +0186528aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +0186528aacc ←
14:13:33 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
14:13:33 <Zakim> sorry, bglimm, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, bglimm, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←
14:13:38 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
14:13:42 <SteveH> ivan: I think the answer is yes, but not sure
Ivan Herman: I think the answer is yes, but not sure ←
14:13:46 <bglimm> Zakim, +0186528aacc is me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, +0186528aacc is me ←
14:13:46 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it
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14:13:52 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
14:13:52 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←
14:14:06 <SteveH> AndyS: the TAG findings aren't recs, what standing do they have
Andy Seaborne: the TAG findings aren't recs, what standing do they have ←
14:14:26 <SteveH> ivan: "TAG findings" - they have no other official standing
Ivan Herman: "TAG findings" - they have no other official standing ←
14:14:28 <AxelPolleres> Can we give it as an informal reference?
Axel Polleres: Can we give it as an informal reference? ←
14:14:57 <SteveH> sandro: we can't normatively reference them, but can informatively
Sandro Hawke: we can't normatively reference them, but can informatively ←
14:15:25 <SteveH> ... can't say "to find out how to do this look [at TAG finding]" cos it's not a Rec
... can't say "to find out how to do this look [at TAG finding]" cos it's not a Rec ←
14:16:03 <Souri> :-)
Souripriya Das: :-) ←
14:16:16 <sandro> Basically it's like with Turtle and CURIEs ---- we wanted the concept, but there was no REC, so we had to write it ourselves.
Sandro Hawke: Basically it's like with Turtle and CURIEs ---- we wanted the concept, but there was no REC, so we had to write it ourselves. ←
14:16:16 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: either quote text, or reference it informatively
Axel Polleres: either quote text, or reference it informatively ←
14:16:34 <sandro> Yes, we do.
Sandro Hawke: Yes, we do. ←
14:16:36 <AxelPolleres> normative and informative references.
Axel Polleres: normative and informative references. ←
14:17:05 <AxelPolleres> best solution is probably a combination.
Axel Polleres: best solution is probably a combination. ←
14:17:07 <SteveH> AndyS: we take textual forms from Turtle, and include them in the document
Andy Seaborne: we take textual forms from Turtle, and include them in the document ←
14:17:22 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: explain possible ambiguity, and informally reference
Axel Polleres: explain possible ambiguity, and informally reference ←
14:17:37 <bglimm> But the Wuery spec says: This document uses the http://www.w3.org/TeamSubmission/turtle/ [TURTLE] data format to show each triple explicitly.
Birte Glimm: But the Wuery spec says: This document uses the http://www.w3.org/TeamSubmission/turtle/ [TURTLE] data format to show each triple explicitly. ←
14:17:50 <bglimm> s/Wuery/Query/
Birte Glimm: s/Wuery/Query/ ←
14:18:04 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel to convey summary to chime: explain possible ambiguity, and informally reference TAG issue.
ACTION: axel to convey summary to chime: explain possible ambiguity, and informally reference TAG issue. ←
14:18:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-255 - Convey summary to chime: explain possible ambiguity, and informally reference TAG issue. [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-06-15].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-255 - Convey summary to chime: explain possible ambiguity, and informally reference TAG issue. [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-06-15]. ←
14:18:29 <kasei> Zakim, mute me
Gregory Williams: Zakim, mute me ←
14:18:29 <Zakim> kasei should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: kasei should now be muted ←
14:18:37 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: there's a red box in the document, it's enough to drop it
Axel Polleres: there's a red box in the document, it's enough to drop it ←
14:18:38 <Souri> s/chime/Chime/
Souripriya Das: s/chime/Chime/ ←
14:18:49 <SteveH> ... discussion about other terms, and distinctions
... discussion about other terms, and distinctions ←
14:19:01 <AxelPolleres> unclear "network-manipulable RDF dataset" and distinction from "graph store" and "endpoint" needs clarification
Axel Polleres: unclear "network-manipulable RDF dataset" and distinction from "graph store" and "endpoint" needs clarification ←
14:19:18 <AndyS> bglimm, that's for the data in examples; not the SPARQL syntax (although that isn't as formal as I'd like)
Andy Seaborne: bglimm, that's for the data in examples; not the SPARQL syntax (although that isn't as formal as I'd like) ←
14:19:21 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: overall doc on good track
Axel Polleres: overall doc on good track ←
14:19:39 <SteveH> Topic: find possible slot for testcases call
14:19:44 <bglimm> Ah, I thought it is for the whole doc including where parts of queries
Birte Glimm: Ah, I thought it is for the whole doc including where parts of queries ←
14:19:49 <AndyS> bglimm, c.f. "4.2 Syntax for Triple Patterns"
Andy Seaborne: bglimm, c.f. "4.2 Syntax for Triple Patterns" ←
14:20:19 <AxelPolleres> http://www.doodle.com/ctb2a6t3bxup8t4d
Axel Polleres: http://www.doodle.com/ctb2a6t3bxup8t4d ←
14:20:26 <bglimm> AndyS, I see what you mean
Birte Glimm: AndyS, I see what you mean ←
14:20:41 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: there are several actions on collecting testcases
Axel Polleres: there are several actions on collecting testcases ←
14:20:51 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/191
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/191 ←
14:21:11 <SteveH> ... would be helpful to have emails pointing to testcases
... would be helpful to have emails pointing to testcases ←
14:21:27 <SteveH> ... don't need to be formal, just want to track them
... don't need to be formal, just want to track them ←
14:21:40 <SteveH> ... people are responsible for collecting them
... people are responsible for collecting them ←
14:22:11 <SteveH> ... david, Olivier, AxelPolleres have outstanding actions
... david, Olivier, AxelPolleres have outstanding actions ←
14:22:26 <SteveH> ... make sure that you fill out the poll
... make sure that you fill out the poll ←
14:23:04 <SteveH> Topic: Function Library
14:23:06 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0309.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0309.html ←
14:23:18 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: AndyS has added several functions
Axel Polleres: AndyS has added several functions ←
14:23:44 <SteveH> ... main question is what's open
... main question is what's open ←
14:23:53 <SteveH> ... put some more links about this
... put some more links about this ←
14:24:11 <SteveH> ... one question is what about xquery and xpath F&O, we have initial list proposed by AndyS
... one question is what about xquery and xpath F&O, we have initial list proposed by AndyS ←
14:24:11 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009JulSep/0244.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009JulSep/0244.html ←
14:24:25 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Feature:FunctionLibrary#Starting_Points
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Feature:FunctionLibrary#Starting_Points ←
14:24:29 <SteveH> ... incorporated in wiki doc ^
... incorporated in wiki doc ^ ←
14:24:38 <SteveH> ... and we have one more doc on the wiki
... and we have one more doc on the wiki ←
14:24:41 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:FunctionLibrary
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:FunctionLibrary ←
14:24:51 <SteveH> ... also half baked
... also half baked ←
14:25:15 <SteveH> ... do we reuse URIs in F&O?
... do we reuse URIs in F&O? ←
14:25:58 <SteveH> ... AFAIR, we have had some discussion about namespaces
... AFAIR, we have had some discussion about namespaces ←
14:26:16 <SteveH> ... keywords v's namespaced URIs
... keywords v's namespaced URIs ←
14:26:30 <SteveH> AndyS: I don't remember that dicsussion
Andy Seaborne: I don't remember that dicsussion ←
14:26:39 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
14:26:41 <SteveH> ... there are some functions that dont exsists elsewhere
... there are some functions that dont exsists elsewhere ←
14:26:55 <SteveH> ... have to assign URIs
... have to assign URIs ←
14:27:14 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
14:27:31 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: do we have a namespace already for the sparql F&O
Axel Polleres: do we have a namespace already for the sparql F&O ←
14:27:44 <SteveH> ivan: I did set one up.
Ivan Herman: I did set one up. ←
14:28:04 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: could look at initial draft
Axel Polleres: could look at initial draft ←
14:28:10 <ivan> http://www.w3.org/ns/sparql.html
Ivan Herman: http://www.w3.org/ns/sparql.html ←
14:28:36 <AxelPolleres> that should be fine...
Axel Polleres: that should be fine... ←
14:28:53 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml#func-coalesce
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml#func-coalesce ←
14:29:10 <SteveH> ivan: it's obvious what you have to do to add more items
Ivan Herman: it's obvious what you have to do to add more items ←
14:29:26 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: that would affect all the operators that are new in SPARQL
Axel Polleres: that would affect all the operators that are new in SPARQL ←
14:29:34 <SteveH> ivan: yes
Ivan Herman: yes ←
14:29:49 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: things in §15.4 need URIs
Axel Polleres: things in §15.4 need URIs ←
14:30:10 <SteveH> ivan: I will update doc if you send me changes
Ivan Herman: I will update doc if you send me changes ←
14:30:29 <AndyS> For Ivan: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml#SparqlOps
Andy Seaborne: For Ivan: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml#SparqlOps ←
14:30:35 <kasei> ivan, might be nice to assert rdf:type sd:Function for the functions in /ns/sparql
Gregory Williams: ivan, might be nice to assert rdf:type sd:Function for the functions in /ns/sparql ←
14:30:43 <AxelPolleres> 15.4.14 COALESCE
Axel Polleres: 15.4.14 COALESCE ←
14:31:42 <AxelPolleres> COALESCE, IF, IN, NOT IN, IRI, URI, BNODE, STRDT, STRLANG
Axel Polleres: COALESCE, IF, IN, NOT IN, IRI, URI, BNODE, STRDT, STRLANG ←
14:31:44 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
14:31:57 <AxelPolleres> ack AndyS
Axel Polleres: ack AndyS ←
14:31:58 <AndyS> ack me
Andy Seaborne: ack me ←
14:32:24 <SteveH> ivan: better decided around a table with beer
Ivan Herman: better decided around a table with beer ←
14:32:31 <SteveH> ... new ones are all caps, old ones are not
... new ones are all caps, old ones are not ←
14:32:41 <ivan> if, in
Ivan Herman: if, in ←
14:32:45 <ivan> and not IF and IN
Ivan Herman: and not IF and IN ←
14:32:47 <AndyS> SPARQL is case-insenitive keywords (except for "a")
Andy Seaborne: SPARQL is case-insenitive keywords (except for "a") ←
14:32:48 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: it would make sense to keep with what we had
Axel Polleres: it would make sense to keep with what we had ←
14:32:52 <kasei> they're all case insensitive in the language, though.
Gregory Williams: they're all case insensitive in the language, though. ←
14:33:18 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: it's difficult, for the short names we have camel case
Axel Polleres: it's difficult, for the short names we have camel case ←
14:33:20 <SteveH> q+
q+ ←
14:33:26 <ivan> ack ivn
Ivan Herman: ack ivn ←
14:33:29 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
14:33:40 <kasei> yes. was just pointing it out because we don't have URIs for the old ones yet
Gregory Williams: yes. was just pointing it out because we don't have URIs for the old ones yet ←
14:34:20 <SteveH> ack me
ack me ←
14:34:23 <AxelPolleres> camelCase seems to be the URI candidates, capital used in the definition
Axel Polleres: camelCase seems to be the URI candidates, capital used in the definition ←
14:34:35 <AndyS> Yes - the grammar uses UC for clarity. Examples use same case as section name (usually)
Andy Seaborne: Yes - the grammar uses UC for clarity. Examples use same case as section name (usually) ←
14:34:35 <SteveH> capital used in grammar/examples
capital used in grammar/examples ←
14:34:43 <Zakim> -NicholasHumfrey
Zakim IRC Bot: -NicholasHumfrey ←
14:34:49 <SteveH> AndyS, oh, sorry, thought it was UC in examples
AndyS, oh, sorry, thought it was UC in examples ←
14:34:56 <AndyS> "if" looks silly
Andy Seaborne: "if" looks silly ←
14:35:26 <AxelPolleres> notIn
Axel Polleres: notIn ←
14:35:36 <SteveH> +1 to ivan
+1 to ivan ←
14:35:49 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: just make it uniform
Axel Polleres: just make it uniform ←
14:36:01 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: ivan to buy beers in SF
ACTION: ivan to buy beers in SF ←
14:36:01 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - ivan
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - ivan ←
14:36:01 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. ivan, imikhail)
Trackbot IRC Bot: Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. ivan, imikhail) ←
14:36:52 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: take this to mail
Axel Polleres: take this to mail ←
14:37:07 <SteveH> AndyS: are we putting the F&O set in this doc, or another, or somewhere else
Andy Seaborne: are we putting the F&O set in this doc, or another, or somewhere else ←
14:37:26 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: extension to core functions which we endorse should be in Q document
Axel Polleres: extension to core functions which we endorse should be in Q document ←
14:37:36 <SteveH> AndyS: who's going to write it
Andy Seaborne: who's going to write it ←
14:37:46 <Souri> 15.4.21 example needs a closing paranthesis: STRDT("123", xsd:integer
Souripriya Das: 15.4.21 example needs a closing paranthesis: STRDT("123", xsd:integer ←
14:37:49 <SteveH> ... it will take longer if I do it
... it will take longer if I do it ←
14:38:01 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: what new text do we need?
Axel Polleres: what new text do we need? ←
14:38:12 <SteveH> ... do we need to add examples for all these functions
... do we need to add examples for all these functions ←
14:38:14 <AndyS> souri - already fixed (in my copy)
Andy Seaborne: souri - already fixed (in my copy) ←
14:38:43 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: what's missing is the formulation, and adding examples [?]
Axel Polleres: what's missing is the formulation, and adding examples [?] ←
14:38:44 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml#func-coalesce
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml#func-coalesce ←
14:40:08 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:FunctionLibrary
Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:FunctionLibrary ←
14:40:21 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: not sure about issues around sequences
Axel Polleres: not sure about issues around sequences ←
14:40:34 <SteveH> AndyS: functions in [uri] are directly relevant to SPARQL, no seuences
Andy Seaborne: functions in [uri] are directly relevant to SPARQL, no seuences ←
14:40:44 <SteveH> ... arguments all values that we grok
... arguments all values that we grok ←
14:41:18 <SteveH> ... unclear what the proposed way forwards is about this list, how do we deal with rel. to F&O
... unclear what the proposed way forwards is about this list, how do we deal with rel. to F&O ←
14:41:24 <AxelPolleres> 3 options
Axel Polleres: 3 options ←
14:41:25 <SteveH> ... see 3 proposals
... see 3 proposals ←
14:41:39 <SteveH> ... 1) start from SQL
... 1) start from SQL ←
14:41:45 <LeeF> I think the 2nd of those proposals is the best
Lee Feigenbaum: I think the 2nd of those proposals is the best ←
14:41:46 <SteveH> ... 2) import a speicific set
... 2) import a speicific set ←
14:41:56 <SteveH> ... 3) point to F&O equiv
... 3) point to F&O equiv ←
14:42:32 <SteveH> ... in one there are two URIs
... in one there are two URIs ←
14:43:06 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: LeeF thinks we should import a specific set
Axel Polleres: LeeF thinks we should import a specific set ←
14:43:06 <LeeF> Is anyone wanting to advocate taking from SQL instead of XPath/XQuery ?
Lee Feigenbaum: Is anyone wanting to advocate taking from SQL instead of XPath/XQuery ? ←
14:43:24 <SteveH> ... if we import we can change them slightly if needed
... if we import we can change them slightly if needed ←
14:43:40 <sandro> (I'm wondering about taking from RIF, which took option 3.)
Sandro Hawke: (I'm wondering about taking from RIF, which took option 3.) ←
14:43:41 <SteveH> LeeF: not sure how much support there is to import from SQL
Lee Feigenbaum: not sure how much support there is to import from SQL ←
14:44:05 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: We have COALESCE and IF from SQL
Axel Polleres: We have COALESCE and IF from SQL ←
14:44:12 <LeeF> (i'd be fine with that approach as well, sandro. I don't know that much about the RIF function basis.)
Lee Feigenbaum: (i'd be fine with that approach as well, sandro. I don't know that much about the RIF function basis.) ←
14:44:14 <SteveH> ... strawpoll on 2) vs 3)
... strawpoll on 2) vs 3) ←
14:44:16 <AndyS> Interesting -sandro - why did it do that?
Andy Seaborne: Interesting -sandro - why did it do that? ←
14:44:28 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
14:44:33 <sandro> zakim, unmute me
Sandro Hawke: zakim, unmute me ←
14:44:33 <Zakim> Sandro should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Sandro should no longer be muted ←
14:44:44 <SteveH> sandro: story from RIF, having same debate
Sandro Hawke: story from RIF, having same debate ←
14:45:01 <SteveH> ... use URIs or make own, decided to make own URIs
... use URIs or make own, decided to make own URIs ←
14:45:16 <SteveH> ... needed to change semantics in a few places, watned to add a few things, users would like in same namesoace
... needed to change semantics in a few places, watned to add a few things, users would like in same namesoace ←
14:45:24 <SteveH> ... operators don't have URIs anyway
... operators don't have URIs anyway ←
14:45:28 <SteveH> q+
q+ ←
14:45:34 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
14:45:39 <SteveH> ... should sparql and rif use same URIs
... should sparql and rif use same URIs ←
14:45:46 <SteveH> q-
q- ←
14:46:04 <SteveH> ... sparql and rif could coalesce on common uris, and they're both RDFy
... sparql and rif could coalesce on common uris, and they're both RDFy ←
14:46:13 <SteveH> AndyS: where did you have to change the smeantics
Andy Seaborne: where did you have to change the smeantics ←
14:46:22 <AxelPolleres> q+ to speak chair-hat off
Axel Polleres: q+ to speak chair-hat off ←
14:46:30 <SteveH> sandro: hoping AxelPolleres would remember, something about sequences
Sandro Hawke: hoping AxelPolleres would remember, something about sequences ←
14:46:48 <SteveH> ... sequences have unusual semantics
... sequences have unusual semantics ←
14:46:51 <AxelPolleres> erorrs, sequences, played a role
Axel Polleres: erorrs, sequences, played a role ←
14:46:55 <sandro> zakim, mute me
Sandro Hawke: zakim, mute me ←
14:46:55 <Zakim> Sandro should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Sandro should now be muted ←
14:46:58 <AxelPolleres> ack me
Axel Polleres: ack me ←
14:46:58 <Zakim> AxelPolleres, you wanted to speak chair-hat off
Zakim IRC Bot: AxelPolleres, you wanted to speak chair-hat off ←
14:46:59 <SteveH> ... outside of that I don't remember the differences
... outside of that I don't remember the differences ←
14:47:06 <AndyS> q-
Andy Seaborne: q- ←
14:47:12 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: we had problems with errors too, no errors in RIF
Axel Polleres: we had problems with errors too, no errors in RIF ←
14:47:30 <SteveH> ... what would we do with errors
... what would we do with errors ←
14:47:36 <AndyS> SPARQL is F&O evaluation
Andy Seaborne: SPARQL is F&O evaluation ←
14:47:43 <sandro> (I think the errors bit is not worth doing a different URI over, personally, but I'm not a formalist.)
Sandro Hawke: (I think the errors bit is not worth doing a different URI over, personally, but I'm not a formalist.) ←
14:47:55 <AndyS> ... with errors being an extension point
Andy Seaborne: ... with errors being an extension point ←
14:48:32 <SteveH> ... if we use own namespace we dont have to think about which ones are keywords, if it has a URI in sparql namespace it can be used in syntax
... if we use own namespace we dont have to think about which ones are keywords, if it has a URI in sparql namespace it can be used in syntax ←
14:48:40 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
14:48:47 <sandro> q-
Sandro Hawke: q- ←
14:49:20 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: poll: keep F&O namespace, or give own [sparql] namespace
Axel Polleres: poll: keep F&O namespace, or give own [sparql] namespace ←
14:49:34 <SteveH> 1 - keep namespace
1 - keep namespace ←
14:49:39 <SteveH> 2 - sparql ns
2 - sparql ns ←
14:49:45 <AxelPolleres> 2
Axel Polleres: 2 ←
14:49:46 <pgearon> 2
Paul Gearon: 2 ←
14:49:48 <AndyS> Option 2 (reuse namespace + alloc a namespace for operators)
Andy Seaborne: Option 2 (reuse namespace + alloc a namespace for operators) ←
14:49:52 <kasei> 2 (mild preference, would like to see rif+sparql convergence)
Gregory Williams: 2 (mild preference, would like to see rif+sparql convergence) ←
14:49:56 <MattPerry> 2
Matthew Perry: 2 ←
14:49:56 <bglimm> 2
Birte Glimm: 2 ←
14:49:57 <SteveH> 1
1 ←
14:50:11 <LeeF> 0
Lee Feigenbaum: 0 ←
14:50:15 <sandro> 0 unsure.....
Sandro Hawke: 0 unsure..... ←
14:50:30 <AndyS> Option 1 (reuse namespace + alloc a namespace for operators)
Andy Seaborne: Option 1 (reuse namespace + alloc a namespace for operators) ←
14:50:47 <LeeF> Yeah, I agree with that
Lee Feigenbaum: Yeah, I agree with that ←
14:50:50 <LeeF> too many keywords :)
Lee Feigenbaum: too many keywords :) ←
14:52:54 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: op: ones are things that can be moddled with + etc. [?]
Axel Polleres: op: ones are things that can be moddled with + etc. [?] ←
14:53:02 <AxelPolleres> op : � + - !
Axel Polleres: op : � + - ! ←
14:53:19 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009JulSep/0244.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009JulSep/0244.html ←
14:53:22 <SteveH> "op:" has no namespace officially
"op:" has no namespace officially ←
14:53:37 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: we dont have a URI for them
Axel Polleres: we dont have a URI for them ←
14:53:44 <AndyS> yes - but what about writing "op:numeric-add(?X, ?Y)"
Andy Seaborne: yes - but what about writing "op:numeric-add(?X, ?Y)" ←
14:54:15 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: you have to write the short form in xpath etc.
Axel Polleres: you have to write the short form in xpath etc. ←
14:54:50 <SteveH> ... datatypes depenends on how it's delegates
... datatypes depenends on how it's delegates ←
14:55:05 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:FunctionLibrary
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:FunctionLibrary ←
14:55:23 <SteveH> ... not complete, but we should have op URI + shortcut
... not complete, but we should have op URI + shortcut ←
14:55:45 <SteveH> ... then shortcuts come from [sth]
... then shortcuts come from [sth] ←
14:56:01 <SteveH> ... should take to email, running out of time
... should take to email, running out of time ←
14:56:02 <AndyS> My pref: complete Design:FunctionLibrary as a design then take to WG.
Andy Seaborne: My pref: complete Design:FunctionLibrary as a design then take to WG. ←
14:56:55 <SteveH> AndyS: I don't have any time in next 2 weeks
Andy Seaborne: I don't have any time in next 2 weeks ←
14:57:01 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to work out http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:FunctionLibrary within 2 weeks
ACTION: Axel to work out http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:FunctionLibrary within 2 weeks ←
14:57:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-256 - Work out http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:FunctionLibrary within 2 weeks [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-06-15].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-256 - Work out http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:FunctionLibrary within 2 weeks [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-06-15]. ←
14:57:41 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0311.�html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010AprJun/0311.�html ←
14:58:03 <SteveH> AndyS: couple of proposals, realtively decided on cardinality, want to work on details
Andy Seaborne: couple of proposals, realtively decided on cardinality, want to work on details ←
14:58:48 <Zakim> -LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF ←
14:59:12 <SteveH> AndyS: don't think there's enough detail to make proposal
Andy Seaborne: don't think there's enough detail to make proposal ←
14:59:59 <SteveH> ... matter of writing document and coming back with proposal
... matter of writing document and coming back with proposal ←
15:00:14 <SteveH> AxelPolleres: as long as you know where it's going
Axel Polleres: as long as you know where it's going ←
15:00:36 <SteveH> update next time
update next time ←
15:00:40 <SteveH> + other issues
+ other issues ←
15:00:51 <AndyS> At risk next time: AndyS
Andy Seaborne: At risk next time: AndyS ←
15:01:03 <Zakim> -bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm ←
15:01:08 <ivan> zakim, drop me
Ivan Herman: zakim, drop me ←
15:01:08 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan is being disconnected ←
15:01:09 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
15:01:10 <AxelPolleres> adjourned
Axel Polleres: adjourned ←
15:01:11 <Zakim> -SteveH
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveH ←
15:01:15 <Zakim> -Souri
Zakim IRC Bot: -Souri ←
15:01:15 <MattPerry> quit
Matthew Perry: quit ←
15:01:16 <Zakim> -kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei ←
15:01:18 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
15:01:19 <Zakim> -MattPerry
Zakim IRC Bot: -MattPerry ←
15:01:21 <Zakim> -pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon ←
15:01:23 <AxelPolleres> thanks steve for scribing...
Axel Polleres: thanks steve for scribing... ←
15:01:23 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
15:01:26 <SteveH> AxelPolleres, how do I make mins from the IRC?
AxelPolleres, how do I make mins from the IRC? ←
15:01:37 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public
Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make records public ←
15:01:56 <AxelPolleres> steve, will handle that... essentially: http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/manual.html
Axel Polleres: steve, will handle that... essentially: http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/manual.html ←
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