next haertbeat end of April for review, mid may next round published... beyond that: LC by SemTech is the ideal goal, question whether we can manage that
13:57:52 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/03/30-sparql-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/03/30-sparql-irc ←
13:58:14 <AxelPolleres> trackbot, start meeting
Axel Polleres: trackbot, start meeting ←
13:58:16 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs world ←
13:58:18 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be 77277 ←
13:58:18 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes ←
13:58:19 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:58:19 <trackbot> Date: 30 March 2010
13:58:37 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
13:58:37 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, AxelPolleres ←
13:58:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see MattPerry, Zakim, RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2, OlivierCorby, bglimm, LeeF, SteveH, ivan, AndyS, karl, pgearon, iv_an_ru, ericP, sandro, AlexPassant, kasei,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see MattPerry, Zakim, RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2, OlivierCorby, bglimm, LeeF, SteveH, ivan, AndyS, karl, pgearon, iv_an_ru, ericP, sandro, AlexPassant, kasei, ←
13:58:42 <Zakim> ... trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot ←
13:59:04 <AxelPolleres> scribe: David Charboneau
(Scribe set to David Charboneau)
13:59:27 <AxelPolleres> scribenick: dcharbon2
14:00:07 <kasei> Zakim?
Gregory Williams: Zakim? ←
14:00:10 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:00:10 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, AxelPolleres ←
14:00:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see SteveH, MattPerry, Zakim, RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2, OlivierCorby, bglimm, LeeF, ivan, AndyS, karl, pgearon, iv_an_ru, ericP, sandro, AlexPassant, kasei,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see SteveH, MattPerry, Zakim, RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2, OlivierCorby, bglimm, LeeF, ivan, AndyS, karl, pgearon, iv_an_ru, ericP, sandro, AlexPassant, kasei, ←
14:00:14 <Zakim> ... trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot ←
14:00:58 <bglimm> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Birte Glimm: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:01:10 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:01:12 <bglimm> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Birte Glimm: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:01:12 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, bglimm ←
14:01:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see SteveH, MattPerry, Zakim, RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2, OlivierCorby, bglimm, LeeF, ivan, AndyS, karl, pgearon, iv_an_ru, ericP, sandro, AlexPassant, kasei,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see SteveH, MattPerry, Zakim, RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2, OlivierCorby, bglimm, LeeF, ivan, AndyS, karl, pgearon, iv_an_ru, ericP, sandro, AlexPassant, kasei, ←
14:01:16 <Zakim> ... trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot ←
14:01:25 <bglimm> Zakim, this is SPARQL
Birte Glimm: Zakim, this is SPARQL ←
14:01:25 <Zakim> ok, bglimm; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, bglimm; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM ←
14:01:26 <AxelPolleres> trackbot, start meeting
Axel Polleres: trackbot, start meeting ←
14:01:28 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs world ←
14:01:30 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be 77277 ←
14:01:30 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start now
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start now ←
14:01:31 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
14:01:31 <trackbot> Date: 30 March 2010
14:01:32 <pgearon> I've dialied in, but Zakim didn't mention that I'm here
Paul Gearon: I've dialied in, but Zakim didn't mention that I'm here ←
14:01:47 <SteveH> Zakim, who's on the phone?
Steve Harris: Zakim, who's on the phone? ←
14:01:47 <Zakim> I notice SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has restarted
Zakim IRC Bot: I notice SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has restarted ←
14:01:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see +03539149aaaa, dcharbon2, ??P25, OlivierCorby, bglimm, +0208439aabb, +1.540.412.aacc, Souri, ??P36
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +03539149aaaa, dcharbon2, ??P25, OlivierCorby, bglimm, +0208439aabb, +1.540.412.aacc, Souri, ??P36 ←
14:01:49 <bglimm> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Birte Glimm: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:01:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see +03539149aaaa, dcharbon2, ??P25, OlivierCorby, bglimm, +0208439aabb, +1.540.412.aacc, Souri, ??P36
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +03539149aaaa, dcharbon2, ??P25, OlivierCorby, bglimm, +0208439aabb, +1.540.412.aacc, Souri, ??P36 ←
14:02:01 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, aaaa is me
Axel Polleres: Zakim, aaaa is me ←
14:02:01 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AxelPolleres; got it ←
14:02:02 <pgearon> zakim, aacc is me
Paul Gearon: zakim, aacc is me ←
14:02:04 <Zakim> +pgearon; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pgearon; got it ←
14:02:04 <SteveH> Zakim, aabb is ms
Steve Harris: Zakim, aabb is ms ←
14:02:05 <dcharbon2> zakim, mute me
zakim, mute me ←
14:02:06 <Zakim> +ms; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +ms; got it ←
14:02:08 <Zakim> dcharbon2 should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: dcharbon2 should now be muted ←
14:02:10 <Zakim> +??P40
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P40 ←
14:02:10 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
14:02:13 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
14:02:13 <AndyS> zakim, ??P40 is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P40 is me ←
14:02:14 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
14:02:16 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
14:02:22 <kasei> Zakim, P25 is me
Gregory Williams: Zakim, P25 is me ←
14:02:30 <Zakim> sorry, kasei, I do not recognize a party named 'P25'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, kasei, I do not recognize a party named 'P25' ←
14:02:37 <kasei> Zakim, ??P25 is me
Gregory Williams: Zakim, ??P25 is me ←
14:02:42 <Zakim> +kasei; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +kasei; got it ←
14:03:00 <MattPerry> zakim, who is on the phone?
Matthew Perry: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:03:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see AxelPolleres, dcharbon2 (muted), kasei, OlivierCorby, bglimm, ms, pgearon, Souri, ??P36, AndyS, Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AxelPolleres, dcharbon2 (muted), kasei, OlivierCorby, bglimm, ms, pgearon, Souri, ??P36, AndyS, Ivan ←
14:03:11 <AxelPolleres> agenda http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-03-30
Axel Polleres: agenda http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-03-30 ←
14:03:13 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Still need to write up some of the notes from f2f
Axel Polleres: Still need to write up some of the notes from f2f ←
14:03:14 <MattPerry> zakim, ??P36 is me
Matthew Perry: zakim, ??P36 is me ←
14:03:14 <Zakim> +MattPerry; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MattPerry; got it ←
14:03:19 <SteveH> Zakim, ms is me
Steve Harris: Zakim, ms is me ←
14:03:19 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveH; got it ←
14:03:39 <Zakim> +??P45
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P45 ←
14:03:44 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Thank everyone for productive f2f. Goal for today is to try to settle issues to get to publications
Axel Polleres: Thank everyone for productive f2f. Goal for today is to try to settle issues to get to publications ←
14:04:03 <dcharbon2> Minutes are out there. Next time go into more technical issues. Today is more wrap up of f2f
Minutes are out there. Next time go into more technical issues. Today is more wrap up of f2f ←
14:04:19 <dcharbon2> ... try to get to publication round
... try to get to publication round ←
14:04:27 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-03-23
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-03-23 ←
14:04:38 <Zakim> + +1.216.445.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.216.445.aadd ←
14:04:47 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-03-23
PROPOSED: approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-03-23 ←
14:04:59 <chimezie> Zakim, +1.216.445.aadd is me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, +1.216.445.aadd is me ←
14:04:59 <Zakim> +chimezie; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +chimezie; got it ←
14:05:04 <dcharbon2> +1
+1 ←
14:05:16 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-03-23
RESOLVED: approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-03-23 ←
14:05:23 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Next is the F2F minutes
Axel Polleres: Next is the F2F minutes ←
14:05:25 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me ←
14:05:25 <Zakim> chimezie should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: chimezie should now be muted ←
14:05:33 <dcharbon2> ... perhaps not everyone has had time to look through them
... perhaps not everyone has had time to look through them ←
14:05:41 <dcharbon2> ... don't propose to approve today
... don't propose to approve today ←
14:05:58 <dcharbon2> ... let AxelPolleres know if there are any changes that need to be made, anything missing
... let AxelPolleres know if there are any changes that need to be made, anything missing ←
14:06:00 <dcharbon2> ... per email
... per email ←
14:06:10 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Next meeting is in one week.
Axel Polleres: Next meeting is in one week. ←
14:06:17 <AxelPolleres> 2010-04-06 (or is that too tight with Easter?)
Axel Polleres: 2010-04-06 (or is that too tight with Easter?) ←
14:06:19 <dcharbon2> ... is this okay for everyone?
... is this okay for everyone? ←
14:06:21 <bglimm> I'll be away
Birte Glimm: I'll be away ←
14:06:25 <AndyS> Fine for me.
Andy Seaborne: Fine for me. ←
14:06:33 <kasei> I won't be able to make next week.
Gregory Williams: I won't be able to make next week. ←
14:06:34 <ivan> regrets for a meetin in a week
Ivan Herman: regrets for a meetin in a week ←
14:06:38 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
14:06:39 <dcharbon2> I could make it
I could make it ←
14:06:40 <pgearon> I can be here
Paul Gearon: I can be here ←
14:06:45 <MattPerry> will be ok for me
Matthew Perry: will be ok for me ←
14:06:57 <OlivierCorby> OK for the 6
Olivier Corby: OK for the 6 ←
14:06:58 <AxelPolleres> lee, would you be able to make it next week?
Axel Polleres: lee, would you be able to make it next week? ←
14:07:18 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: about 1/2 people can make it
Axel Polleres: about 1/2 people can make it ←
14:07:29 <dcharbon2> ... leave it up to Lee to decide, AxelPolleres won't be there
... leave it up to Lee to decide, AxelPolleres won't be there ←
14:07:49 <dcharbon2> ... Have on record who can make it, see if there are topics that could be covered amongst those who can make it
... Have on record who can make it, see if there are topics that could be covered amongst those who can make it ←
14:08:08 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
14:08:08 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←
14:08:09 <AxelPolleres> anybody please indicate on IRC whether you'd be available for a TC in one week!
Axel Polleres: anybody please indicate on IRC whether you'd be available for a TC in one week! ←
14:08:26 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Comments handling, go quickly through comments to see where we are
Axel Polleres: Comments handling, go quickly through comments to see where we are ←
14:08:28 <AxelPolleres> topic: comments
14:08:29 <AndyS> Could we decide one way of the other please? Leaving to last minute is a bit of a nuisance.
Andy Seaborne: Could we decide one way of the other please? Leaving to last minute is a bit of a nuisance. ←
14:08:38 <SteveH> +1
Steve Harris: +1 ←
14:08:39 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments ←
14:08:43 <SteveH> [to AndyS]
Steve Harris: [to AndyS] ←
14:09:10 <AndyS> Yes
Andy Seaborne: Yes ←
14:09:14 <pgearon> OK here
Paul Gearon: OK here ←
14:09:16 <bglimm> ok
Birte Glimm: ok ←
14:09:22 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Will try to get answer from Lee on whether he can chair today and get an email out by tomorrow latest, ok?
Axel Polleres: Will try to get answer from Lee on whether he can chair today and get an email out by tomorrow latest, ok? ←
14:09:27 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to clarify by tomorrow latest whether we'll have a TC next week
ACTION: Axel to clarify by tomorrow latest whether we'll have a TC next week ←
14:09:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-215 - Clarify by tomorrow latest whether we'll have a TC next week [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-04-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-215 - Clarify by tomorrow latest whether we'll have a TC next week [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-04-06]. ←
14:09:28 <dcharbon2> AndyS: Okay for me
Andy Seaborne: Okay for me ←
14:10:06 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: There are many open - is anyone working on a response for any of the open ones?
Axel Polleres: There are many open - is anyone working on a response for any of the open ones? ←
14:10:11 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
14:10:26 <dcharbon2> AndyS: all marked for property paths I will do
Andy Seaborne: all marked for property paths I will do ←
14:10:34 <dcharbon2> ... I will probably do them all in a single reply
... I will probably do them all in a single reply ←
14:10:43 <dcharbon2> ... several are about duplicates, so will address them all at once
... several are about duplicates, so will address them all at once ←
14:10:51 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: I will assign those all to you
Axel Polleres: I will assign those all to you ←
14:11:09 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Is the last one in that group?
Axel Polleres: Is the last one in that group? ←
14:11:25 <dcharbon2> AndyS: no, there was a followup that that wasn't a comment
Andy Seaborne: no, there was a followup that that wasn't a comment ←
14:11:42 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Mar/0002.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Mar/0002.html ←
14:11:42 <dcharbon2> ... no property paths associated with it if I remember correctly
... no property paths associated with it if I remember correctly ←
14:11:54 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Is this the message we're talking about?
Axel Polleres: Is this the message we're talking about? ←
14:12:14 <dcharbon2> AndyS: yes. His message on the 23rd, which is a forward
Andy Seaborne: yes. His message on the 23rd, which is a forward ←
14:12:19 <AndyS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Mar/0005.html
Andy Seaborne: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Mar/0005.html ←
14:12:26 <kasei> I need to send off the NH-1 response based on the F2F discussion. Will confirm draft with the list first.
Gregory Williams: I need to send off the NH-1 response based on the F2F discussion. Will confirm draft with the list first. ←
14:12:42 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: 4 can be taken off
Axel Polleres: 4 can be taken off ←
14:12:48 <LeeF> Yes, I can make next week's call
Lee Feigenbaum: Yes, I can make next week's call ←
14:13:10 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: who would be taking over the one for aggregates?
Axel Polleres: who would be taking over the one for aggregates? ←
14:13:26 <dcharbon2> SteveH: Have you got a link to rv4?
Steve Harris: Have you got a link to rv4? ←
14:13:30 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Mar/0002.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Mar/0002.html ←
14:13:38 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: it was cc'd to the comments list right?
Axel Polleres: it was cc'd to the comments list right? ←
14:13:54 <dcharbon2> SteveH: there was a followup that it wasn't comment, just feedback
Steve Harris: there was a followup that it wasn't comment, just feedback ←
14:14:02 <dcharbon2> AndyS: that was just about the property paths
Andy Seaborne: that was just about the property paths ←
14:14:14 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: it would be good if you could have another look
Axel Polleres: it would be good if you could have another look ←
14:14:18 <dcharbon2> SteveH: okay
Steve Harris: okay ←
14:14:32 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: I will fill that in in the comments list, assigning to SteveH
Axel Polleres: I will fill that in in the comments list, assigning to SteveH ←
14:15:09 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: There is a comment from Nicolai on update syntax
Axel Polleres: There is a comment from Nicolai on update syntax ←
14:15:13 <dcharbon2> ... on the 18th
... on the 18th ←
14:15:14 <AndyS> ED-1
Andy Seaborne: ED-1 ←
14:15:20 <AxelPolleres> RV-4 to SteveH,
Axel Polleres: RV-4 to SteveH, ←
14:15:29 <AxelPolleres> NA-1 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Mar/0000.html
Axel Polleres: NA-1 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Mar/0000.html ←
14:15:52 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
14:15:58 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: this one is about insert/delete
Axel Polleres: this one is about insert/delete ←
14:16:01 <AndyS> Unassigned: ED-1, ST-1, RV-3, NA-1, RV-4 (now to Steve)
Andy Seaborne: Unassigned: ED-1, ST-1, RV-3, NA-1, RV-4 (now to Steve) ←
14:16:03 <AndyS> ack me
Andy Seaborne: ack me ←
14:16:07 <chimezie> i can hear loud keyboard activity
Chimezie Ogbuji: i can hear loud keyboard activity ←
14:16:17 <pgearon> me is getting so much typing noise I cannot hear Axel
Paul Gearon: me is getting so much typing noise I cannot hear Axel ←
14:17:09 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: we discussed this at the f2f and the conclusion was that we would not want to make this combination having query and udpate in this round, though we acknowledged it was interesting
Axel Polleres: we discussed this at the f2f and the conclusion was that we would not want to make this combination having query and udpate in this round, though we acknowledged it was interesting ←
14:17:22 <dcharbon2> ... anyone interested in drafting response, otherwise I will
... anyone interested in drafting response, otherwise I will ←
14:17:25 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: draft response for NA-1
ACTION: draft response for NA-1 ←
14:17:25 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - draft
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - draft ←
14:17:27 <dcharbon2> ... I will draft the resposne
... I will draft the resposne ←
14:17:39 <dcharbon2> s/response/resposne
s/response/resposne ←
14:18:00 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: There is one open on aggregates and property paths
Axel Polleres: There is one open on aggregates and property paths ←
14:18:21 <dcharbon2> ... SteveH , do you think you can address RV-3, at least the aggregates part?
... SteveH , do you think you can address RV-3, at least the aggregates part? ←
14:18:39 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: there is a reply from both of you, it seems to be fine, right?
Axel Polleres: there is a reply from both of you, it seems to be fine, right? ←
14:18:52 <dcharbon2> SteveH: there is a response from Rob that he is okay with the response
Steve Harris: there is a response from Rob that he is okay with the response ←
14:19:06 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: RV-4 can be considered as the open comment
Axel Polleres: RV-4 can be considered as the open comment ←
14:19:22 <dcharbon2> SteveH: in response to RV-4 I include a request that RV-3 is closed as well
Steve Harris: in response to RV-4 I include a request that RV-3 is closed as well ←
14:19:27 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Ok, good
Axel Polleres: Ok, good ←
14:19:45 <dcharbon2> AndyS: Steve, you said that response to RV-3 is as an individual?
Andy Seaborne: Steve, you said that response to RV-3 is as an individual? ←
14:19:51 <dcharbon2> SteveH: I may have confused 2 and 3
Steve Harris: I may have confused 2 and 3 ←
14:20:26 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: steve to ask Rob Vesse in response to RV-4 whether RV-3 has been addresses satisfactory.
ACTION: steve to ask Rob Vesse in response to RV-4 whether RV-3 has been addresses satisfactory. ←
14:20:26 <trackbot> Created ACTION-216 - Ask Rob Vesse in response to RV-4 whether RV-3 has been addresses satisfactory. [on Steve Harris - due 2010-04-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-216 - Ask Rob Vesse in response to RV-4 whether RV-3 has been addresses satisfactory. [on Steve Harris - due 2010-04-06]. ←
14:20:34 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Suggest add sentence in response to RV-4 include a link and ask if he is satisfied with the response he's got so far
Axel Polleres: Suggest add sentence in response to RV-4 include a link and ask if he is satisfied with the response he's got so far ←
14:20:41 <dcharbon2> SteveH: that's fine
Steve Harris: that's fine ←
14:20:49 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Feb/0015.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Feb/0015.html ←
14:20:51 <AxelPolleres> ST-1
Axel Polleres: ST-1 ←
14:21:08 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: request for named graph templates everywhere
Axel Polleres: request for named graph templates everywhere ←
14:21:27 <dcharbon2> ... not sure whether we discussed that at all or ..
... not sure whether we discussed that at all or .. ←
14:21:43 <dcharbon2> SteveH: we discussed the construct part but don't think we came to a conclusion
Steve Harris: we discussed the construct part but don't think we came to a conclusion ←
14:21:53 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Are we able to draft a response or not?
Axel Polleres: Are we able to draft a response or not? ←
14:22:04 <dcharbon2> SteveH: Probably not till we've discussed it I think?
Steve Harris: Probably not till we've discussed it I think? ←
14:22:24 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Is it okay to respond while the issue is open for us? Or respond at least that we are discussing it?
Axel Polleres: Is it okay to respond while the issue is open for us? Or respond at least that we are discussing it? ←
14:22:36 <dcharbon2> SteveH: no strong feeling - I think I responded that this is an open issue
Steve Harris: no strong feeling - I think I responded that this is an open issue ←
14:22:52 <dcharbon2> .. I think that responding it's still open would be a reasonable response?
.. I think that responding it's still open would be a reasonable response? ←
14:23:00 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Anyone to do this?
Axel Polleres: Anyone to do this? ←
14:23:11 <dcharbon2> AndyS: why not assign it to the editor?
Andy Seaborne: why not assign it to the editor? ←
14:23:18 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: is paul on the call?
Axel Polleres: is paul on the call? ←
14:23:23 <dcharbon2> pgearon: yes
Paul Gearon: yes ←
14:23:36 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: can we assign that to you and have you keep track of it?
Axel Polleres: can we assign that to you and have you keep track of it? ←
14:23:39 <dcharbon2> pgearon: yeah, ok
Paul Gearon: yeah, ok ←
14:23:39 <LeeF> Before LC, I don't see the need to reply before we've addressed the issue - there is no time constraint (there's also not anything wrong with replying that we're tsill considering something, i just don't think it's necessary)
Lee Feigenbaum: Before LC, I don't see the need to reply before we've addressed the issue - there is no time constraint (there's also not anything wrong with replying that we're tsill considering something, i just don't think it's necessary) ←
14:23:44 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Paul to draft response on ST-1
ACTION: Paul to draft response on ST-1 ←
14:23:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-217 - Draft response on ST-1 [on Paul Gearon - due 2010-04-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-217 - Draft response on ST-1 [on Paul Gearon - due 2010-04-06]. ←
14:24:01 <AxelPolleres> ED-1
Axel Polleres: ED-1 ←
14:24:10 <AndyS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Feb/0006.html
Andy Seaborne: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Feb/0006.html ←
14:24:15 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Next open is Emanuele on aggregate syntax
Axel Polleres: Next open is Emanuele on aggregate syntax ←
14:24:25 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: I answered that personally
Axel Polleres: I answered that personally ←
14:24:32 <dcharbon2> ... next was for him to explain on some details
... next was for him to explain on some details ←
14:24:43 <dcharbon2> ... I will put myself here and check back here if there are any open issues
... I will put myself here and check back here if there are any open issues ←
14:24:51 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to check back on ED-1
ACTION: Axel to check back on ED-1 ←
14:24:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-218 - Check back on ED-1 [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-04-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-218 - Check back on ED-1 [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-04-06]. ←
14:25:11 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: we have some open on property paths - RN-1
Axel Polleres: we have some open on property paths - RN-1 ←
14:25:16 <dcharbon2> ... from January
... from January ←
14:25:24 <AxelPolleres> RN-1 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Jan/0000.html
Axel Polleres: RN-1 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Jan/0000.html ←
14:25:48 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: There are some replies, it seems
Axel Polleres: There are some replies, it seems ←
14:25:59 <pgearon> not precisely
Paul Gearon: not precisely ←
14:26:08 <dcharbon2> ... you sent a reply on that, Paul, but I don't know if this can be considered as a reply
... you sent a reply on that, Paul, but I don't know if this can be considered as a reply ←
14:26:15 <dcharbon2> pgearon: no, this isn't officially a reply
Paul Gearon: no, this isn't officially a reply ←
14:26:24 <dcharbon2> ... I sent out a request for clarification/comments
... I sent out a request for clarification/comments ←
14:26:33 <dcharbon2> ... Richard ended up in the conversation with us
... Richard ended up in the conversation with us ←
14:26:45 <dcharbon2> ... formally hasn't been responded to, informally has been
... formally hasn't been responded to, informally has been ←
14:26:57 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: can you follow up with him to see if he needs a further response?
Axel Polleres: can you follow up with him to see if he needs a further response? ←
14:27:00 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Paul to check back whether RN-1 needs to be further addressed
ACTION: Paul to check back whether RN-1 needs to be further addressed ←
14:27:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-219 - Check back whether RN-1 needs to be further addressed [on Paul Gearon - due 2010-04-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-219 - Check back whether RN-1 needs to be further addressed [on Paul Gearon - due 2010-04-06]. ←
14:27:00 <dcharbon2> pgearon: ok, I will
Paul Gearon: ok, I will ←
14:27:23 <AxelPolleres> topic:liaisons
14:27:34 <AndyS> Axel - are you going to update the comment wiki page?
Andy Seaborne: Axel - are you going to update the comment wiki page? ←
14:27:41 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Is there anything new on liasons, RIF/RDF/etc..
Axel Polleres: Is there anything new on liasons, RIF/RDF/etc.. ←
14:28:04 <dcharbon2> Orri: identifying the issues there
Orri Erling: identifying the issues there ←
14:28:10 <dcharbon2> ... for RDF
... for RDF ←
14:28:26 <dcharbon2> ... converging aggreement on syntax - nothing that SPARQL group should worry about
... converging aggreement on syntax - nothing that SPARQL group should worry about ←
14:28:42 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: sandro?
Axel Polleres: sandro? ←
14:29:11 <dcharbon2> sandro: RIF did decide that it has exit met criteria and will move to publication in next few weeks. No impact to SPARQL
Sandro Hawke: RIF did decide that it has exit met criteria and will move to publication in next few weeks. No impact to SPARQL ←
14:29:23 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-03-25
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-03-25 ←
14:29:25 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: have minutes from f2f here
Axel Polleres: have minutes from f2f here ←
14:29:29 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-03-26
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-03-26 ←
14:29:32 <dcharbon2> ... rough minutes
... rough minutes ←
14:30:02 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: do we want to go quickly through the resolutions, explain what they mean for anyone who wasn't present
Axel Polleres: do we want to go quickly through the resolutions, explain what they mean for anyone who wasn't present ←
14:30:26 <dcharbon2> ... first two resolutions were about getting the entailment and property path features more weight by these resolutions
... first two resolutions were about getting the entailment and property path features more weight by these resolutions ←
14:30:36 <dcharbon2> ... saying will carry them over by rec
... saying will carry them over by rec ←
14:30:44 <dcharbon2> ... 3rd resolution closed issue-20
... 3rd resolution closed ISSUE-20 ←
14:31:05 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/index.php?title=Lees_Update_Graph_Model&oldid=1995
Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/index.php?title=Lees_Update_Graph_Model&oldid=1995 ←
14:31:12 <dcharbon2> ... which was by adoption of Lee's graph model
... which was by adoption of Lee's graph model ←
14:31:18 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Lees_Update_Graph_Model
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Lees_Update_Graph_Model ←
14:31:28 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: this was the way forward decided for issue-20
Axel Polleres: this was the way forward decided for ISSUE-20 ←
14:31:54 <dcharbon2> ... a way that will allow us to allow triple stores that have explicit notion of graphs as well as just triple stores
... a way that will allow us to allow triple stores that have explicit notion of graphs as well as just triple stores ←
14:32:01 <dcharbon2> ... any questions on that, let me know
... any questions on that, let me know ←
14:32:12 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: separators between queries, next
Axel Polleres: separators between queries, next ←
14:32:18 <dcharbon2> ... this was in update operations
... this was in update operations ←
14:32:27 <pgearon> +q
Paul Gearon: +q ←
14:32:31 <dcharbon2> ... semicolon is the separator between series of update operations
... semicolon is the separator between series of update operations ←
14:33:08 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: next on whether anything more than success or failure should be returned, agreed that there will be just success or failure on update
Axel Polleres: next on whether anything more than success or failure should be returned, agreed that there will be just success or failure on update ←
14:33:11 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:33:11 <Zakim> chimezie should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: chimezie should no longer be muted ←
14:33:42 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: issue-26, we don't provide any transactional mechanism except to say that update operations should be processed atomicall
Axel Polleres: ISSUE-26, we don't provide any transactional mechanism except to say that update operations should be processed atomicall ←
14:34:14 <dcharbon2> pgearon: you said that semicolons would be separators between update operations, end of update would be semicolon or end of file
Paul Gearon: you said that semicolons would be separators between update operations, end of update would be semicolon or end of file ←
14:34:18 <SteveH> q+
Steve Harris: q+ ←
14:34:26 <dcharbon2> pgearon: I thought that there would only be end of file at the end
Paul Gearon: I thought that there would only be end of file at the end ←
14:34:46 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: you could just have empty or separator, maybe someone else has an opinion?
Axel Polleres: you could just have empty or separator, maybe someone else has an opinion? ←
14:34:49 <AxelPolleres> ack SteveH
Axel Polleres: ack SteveH ←
14:34:59 <dcharbon2> SteveH: my recollection was same as AxelPolleres
Steve Harris: my recollection was same as AxelPolleres ←
14:35:09 <dcharbon2> ... allow compatibility with command line clients
... allow compatibility with command line clients ←
14:35:09 <AndyS> Agree -- ";" is optional at end
Andy Seaborne: Agree -- ";" is optional at end ←
14:35:14 <dcharbon2> pgearon: no problem, then
Paul Gearon: no problem, then ←
14:35:35 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
14:35:41 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: issue-18 about concurrent - don't make any recommendations on how to handle concurrent
Axel Polleres: ISSUE-18 about concurrent - don't make any recommendations on how to handle concurrent ←
14:35:44 <AxelPolleres> ack pgearon
Axel Polleres: ack pgearon ←
14:35:53 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: day 2 resolutions
Axel Polleres: day 2 resolutions ←
14:35:55 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-03-26
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-03-26 ←
14:36:37 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: first was for how treat errors in aggregates - go with proposal from AndyS
Axel Polleres: first was for how treat errors in aggregates - go with proposal from AndyS ←
14:36:42 <dcharbon2> ... return tuple multisets
... return tuple multisets ←
14:36:48 <dcharbon2> ... and number of errors
... and number of errors ←
14:36:56 <dcharbon2> ... resolved also issue-53
14:37:35 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: then went through list of proposed aggregates in resolutions 3,4,5 and decide on groupconcat
Axel Polleres: then went through list of proposed aggregates in resolutions 3,4,5 and decide on groupconcat ←
14:37:59 <dcharbon2> ... distinguished parameters for aggregates and functional parameters separated from regular parameters by semicolons
... distinguished parameters for aggregates and functional parameters separated from regular parameters by semicolons ←
14:38:03 <SteveH> q+
Steve Harris: q+ ←
14:38:13 <SteveH> q-
Steve Harris: q- ←
14:38:14 <dcharbon2> s/semicolons/semicolon
s/semicolons/semicolon ←
14:38:15 <Zakim> +Sandro.a
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro.a ←
14:38:19 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
14:38:34 <sandro> zakim, Sandro.a is Sandro
Sandro Hawke: zakim, Sandro.a is Sandro ←
14:38:34 <Zakim> +Sandro; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro; got it ←
14:38:49 <Souri> q+ ask about default separator in GROUP_CONCAT
Souripriya Das: q+ ask about default separator in GROUP_CONCAT ←
14:38:56 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: allowing variables or expressions in group by, decided to go with what is currently in the grammar
Axel Polleres: allowing variables or expressions in group by, decided to go with what is currently in the grammar ←
14:39:06 <dcharbon2> ... in group by you could have actually any expression
... in group by you could have actually any expression ←
14:39:11 <Souri> q+ ask about default separator
Souripriya Das: q+ ask about default separator ←
14:39:16 <dcharbon2> ... expression could be renamed to variable in a group by expression
... expression could be renamed to variable in a group by expression ←
14:39:25 <dcharbon2> ... could be reused but doesn't need to be projected
... could be reused but doesn't need to be projected ←
14:39:45 <dcharbon2> Souri: for group_concat, space was default separator?
Souripriya Das: for group_concat, space was default separator? ←
14:39:53 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: there was some discussion on that
Axel Polleres: there was some discussion on that ←
14:40:12 <dcharbon2> ... in the minutes, where the resolution is discussed, we agreed to a default, current default is whitespace
... in the minutes, where the resolution is discussed, we agreed to a default, current default is whitespace ←
14:40:26 <dcharbon2> Souri: no resolution on that
Souripriya Das: no resolution on that ←
14:40:35 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: no, but there was aggreement
Axel Polleres: no, but there was aggreement ←
14:40:56 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: discussion about negation
Axel Polleres: discussion about negation ←
14:41:42 <dcharbon2> ... might be a bit confusing... we agreed that we go with the not exists syntax, but eventually concluded that we will have minus as an operator and exists and not exists in filters
... might be a bit confusing... we agreed that we go with the not exists syntax, but eventually concluded that we will have minus as an operator and exists and not exists in filters ←
14:41:54 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: any questions on that?
Axel Polleres: any questions on that? ←
14:41:56 <Souri> !EXISTS instead of NOT EXISTS
Souripriya Das: !EXISTS instead of NOT EXISTS ←
14:42:02 <AndyS> This is a change to the NOT EXISTS design
Andy Seaborne: This is a change to the NOT EXISTS design ←
14:42:02 <dcharbon2> ... closed several issues on entailment
... closed several issues on entailment ←
14:43:01 <dcharbon2> zakim, unmute me
zakim, unmute me ←
14:43:01 <Zakim> dcharbon2 should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: dcharbon2 should no longer be muted ←
14:43:16 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: issue-42 was about inconsistencies in entailment
Axel Polleres: ISSUE-42 was about inconsistencies in entailment ←
14:43:44 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
14:43:52 <dcharbon2> found a way to define it in such a way that we can also support impls that can't do the check, but allow those that can to raise an error
found a way to define it in such a way that we can also support impls that can't do the check, but allow those that can to raise an error ←
14:43:57 <SteveH> Zakim, who's speaking?
Steve Harris: Zakim, who's speaking? ←
14:44:07 <Zakim> SteveH, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AxelPolleres (69%), Sandro (56%), OlivierCorby (4%), Ivan (5%)
Zakim IRC Bot: SteveH, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AxelPolleres (69%), Sandro (56%), OlivierCorby (4%), Ivan (5%) ←
14:44:20 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: resolution 12, allow entailment to weak finiteness condition
Axel Polleres: resolution 12, allow entailment to weak finiteness condition ←
14:44:38 <SteveH> q+
Steve Harris: q+ ←
14:44:40 <dcharbon2> make room for RIF-core where such guarantees cannot always be provided
make room for RIF-core where such guarantees cannot always be provided ←
14:45:12 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: resolution to allow for graph forms that don't have URIs because they don't have an official recommendation
Axel Polleres: resolution to allow for graph forms that don't have URIs because they don't have an official recommendation ←
14:45:25 <dcharbon2> SteveH: can't hear, lot of background noise
Steve Harris: can't hear, lot of background noise ←
14:45:38 <kasei> I heard "service description", but couldn't really hear anything else.
Gregory Williams: I heard "service description", but couldn't really hear anything else. ←
14:45:59 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: is there anything from people who couldn't hear on the last resolutions?
Axel Polleres: is there anything from people who couldn't hear on the last resolutions? ←
14:46:15 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: ... so far so good.
Axel Polleres: ... so far so good. ←
14:46:27 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: how and when do we go forward with next drafts
Axel Polleres: how and when do we go forward with next drafts ←
14:46:41 <AxelPolleres> topic: publication dates
Summary: next haertbeat end of April for review, mid may next round published... beyond that: LC by SemTech is the ideal goal, question whether we can manage that
14:46:58 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
14:47:06 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: if we keep with 3 month cycle of publishing, next round is end of April
Axel Polleres: if we keep with 3 month cycle of publishing, next round is end of April ←
14:47:18 <dcharbon2> ... not really feasible? Maybe we can get something done 1 or 2 weeks later
... not really feasible? Maybe we can get something done 1 or 2 weeks later ←
14:47:26 <dcharbon2> ... should get to last call sooner or later
... should get to last call sooner or later ←
14:47:38 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/05/sparql-phase-II-charter.html
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/05/sparql-phase-II-charter.html ←
14:47:56 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: look to charter, in time plan we are already over due with last call
Axel Polleres: look to charter, in time plan we are already over due with last call ←
14:48:04 <dcharbon2> ... can we get to last call with next round of publications?
... can we get to last call with next round of publications? ←
14:48:08 <dcharbon2> ... where do people stand with it?
... where do people stand with it? ←
14:48:33 <dcharbon2> ...2 questions, when can resolutions of f2f be incorporated into specifications?
...2 questions, when can resolutions of f2f be incorporated into specifications? ←
14:48:45 <dcharbon2> ... do we need an intermediate working draft or can we go to last call already
... do we need an intermediate working draft or can we go to last call already ←
14:49:00 <dcharbon2> ... go to documents, start with Query, AndyS and SteveH , what do you think?
... go to documents, start with Query, AndyS and SteveH , what do you think? ←
14:49:14 <dcharbon2> SteveH: I think we should probably go to last call once the resolutions have been implemented
Steve Harris: I think we should probably go to last call once the resolutions have been implemented ←
14:49:29 <dcharbon2> ... I've added English text to make it clear what everything means
... I've added English text to make it clear what everything means ←
14:49:52 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: it seems clear we know what needs to be done, but we have a lot of editorial work to be done from talking to you both
Axel Polleres: it seems clear we know what needs to be done, but we have a lot of editorial work to be done from talking to you both ←
14:50:05 <dcharbon2> ... issues with structuring the content
... issues with structuring the content ←
14:50:19 <dcharbon2> ... how much time do you need? What would a reasonable deadline be?
... how much time do you need? What would a reasonable deadline be? ←
14:50:45 <dcharbon2> AndyS: Are we talking about being ready to publish next round? I this for heartbeat or how long to get to last call?
Andy Seaborne: Are we talking about being ready to publish next round? I this for heartbeat or how long to get to last call? ←
14:50:58 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: could next round be next call? by Charter, it should be
Axel Polleres: could next round be next call? by Charter, it should be ←
14:51:05 <dcharbon2> .. but, if we need another round, we could do that
.. but, if we need another round, we could do that ←
14:51:20 <dcharbon2> sandro: one more round should be fine if we need it
Sandro Hawke: one more round should be fine if we need it ←
14:51:33 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: AndyS , you would prefer one more heartbeat?
Axel Polleres: AndyS , you would prefer one more heartbeat? ←
14:51:43 <dcharbon2> AndyS: I cannot get the documents to last call quality in two weeks
Andy Seaborne: I cannot get the documents to last call quality in two weeks ←
14:51:57 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: I think we should do one more interim round then
Axel Polleres: I think we should do one more interim round then ←
14:52:17 <dcharbon2> AndyS: we haven't done a proper review and we need to integrate what we have into it
Andy Seaborne: we haven't done a proper review and we need to integrate what we have into it ←
14:52:59 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: what is reasonable for next heartbeat? Have editors incorporate the resolutions and one or more editorial notes for what was decided on at face to face? reasonable within 2 or 3 weeks
Axel Polleres: what is reasonable for next heartbeat? Have editors incorporate the resolutions and one or more editorial notes for what was decided on at face to face? reasonable within 2 or 3 weeks ←
14:53:24 <dcharbon2> AndyS: i might be able to sketch out the general structure. That will not give us time to review and publish by end of April
Andy Seaborne: i might be able to sketch out the general structure. That will not give us time to review and publish by end of April ←
14:53:56 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Is it ok if we are 1 or 2 weeks late? ... you can get this done by end of April without reviewing done?
Axel Polleres: Is it ok if we are 1 or 2 weeks late? ... you can get this done by end of April without reviewing done? ←
14:53:59 <dcharbon2> AndyS: yes
Andy Seaborne: yes ←
14:54:11 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: would another week or two be sufficient?
Axel Polleres: would another week or two be sufficient? ←
14:54:22 <dcharbon2> AndyS: do we need to pub every doc every heartbeat?
Andy Seaborne: do we need to pub every doc every heartbeat? ←
14:54:25 <dcharbon2> sandro: no
Sandro Hawke: no ←
14:54:46 <dcharbon2> .. I would rather publish them all 2 or 3 weeks late, easier for users to understand
.. I would rather publish them all 2 or 3 weeks late, easier for users to understand ←
14:55:13 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: if we can get all docs to a sync point to review by end of April, have 2 weeks review, publish by mid-May
Axel Polleres: if we can get all docs to a sync point to review by end of April, have 2 weeks review, publish by mid-May ←
14:55:18 <AndyS> I would be uncomfortable going into LC with some basic tests done to ensure we have not missed anything.
Andy Seaborne: I would be uncomfortable going into LC with some basic tests done to ensure we have not missed anything. ←
14:55:25 <AndyS> s/with/without/
Andy Seaborne: s/with/without/ ←
14:55:27 <dcharbon2> ... which sandro says is okay, would like to go forward with that
... which sandro says is okay, would like to go forward with that ←
14:55:39 <dcharbon2> pgearon: I'm not available to do anything last week of April
Paul Gearon: I'm not available to do anything last week of April ←
14:55:47 <dcharbon2> sandro: will you be done by then?
Sandro Hawke: will you be done by then? ←
14:56:07 <dcharbon2> pgearon: I think so, I've identified a few issues that I'll send out to the mailing list to be sure I have resolutions
Paul Gearon: I think so, I've identified a few issues that I'll send out to the mailing list to be sure I have resolutions ←
14:56:16 <dcharbon2> sandro: would be excellent to be at last call by semtech
Sandro Hawke: would be excellent to be at last call by semtech ←
14:56:28 <dcharbon2> ... lots of people paying attention, don't know if that is practical
... lots of people paying attention, don't know if that is practical ←
14:56:39 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: semtech is end of june
Axel Polleres: semtech is end of june ←
14:56:48 <dcharbon2> ivan: 21st, which is a monday
Ivan Herman: 21st, which is a monday ←
14:57:14 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: publication mid-may is snapshot leading into semtech, keeping goal of last call by semtech in mind..
Axel Polleres: publication mid-may is snapshot leading into semtech, keeping goal of last call by semtech in mind.. ←
14:57:23 <dcharbon2> ... good goal, but need to see if editors can manage this
... good goal, but need to see if editors can manage this ←
14:57:38 <dcharbon2> ... suggest to keep it in mind and see where we are
... suggest to keep it in mind and see where we are ←
14:57:50 <dcharbon2> sandro: need to look at open issues and see if we have any hard decisions to make
Sandro Hawke: need to look at open issues and see if we have any hard decisions to make ←
14:57:54 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
14:58:06 <dcharbon2> AlexPassant: have docs by end of april that we can publish mid-may
Alexandre Passant: have docs by end of april that we can publish mid-may ←
14:58:19 <AxelPolleres> ack SteveH
Axel Polleres: ack SteveH ←
14:58:20 <dcharbon2> SteveH: this is text ready by end of April, review in may?
Steve Harris: this is text ready by end of April, review in may? ←
14:58:25 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: yes
Axel Polleres: yes ←
14:58:28 <SteveH> q-
Steve Harris: q- ←
14:58:32 <AxelPolleres> ack AndyS
Axel Polleres: ack AndyS ←
14:58:41 <dcharbon2> s/AlexPassant:/AxelPolleres:
s/AlexPassant:/AxelPolleres: ←
14:58:53 <dcharbon2> AndyS: by last call, doesn't that include tests?
Andy Seaborne: by last call, doesn't that include tests? ←
14:59:23 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
14:59:30 <dcharbon2> AndyS: There's two things about test - there is a document about them as well as the tests
Andy Seaborne: There's two things about test - there is a document about them as well as the tests ←
14:59:46 <Zakim> -??P45
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P45 ←
14:59:50 <AxelPolleres> BTW: we are running out of time... I will take on mail to ask the other editors whether the overall schedule fits also the others.
Axel Polleres: BTW: we are running out of time... I will take on mail to ask the other editors whether the overall schedule fits also the others. ←
14:59:55 <dcharbon2> AndyS: would feel better if we had test cases that validated that we agree on what we've decided upon
Andy Seaborne: would feel better if we had test cases that validated that we agree on what we've decided upon ←
15:00:05 <dcharbon2> otherwise, run a big risk in having to do a second last call
otherwise, run a big risk in having to do a second last call ←
15:00:18 <chimezie> I agree with Andy regarding tests
Chimezie Ogbuji: I agree with Andy regarding tests ←
15:00:24 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: we have an issue open to have an updated test suite, but
Axel Polleres: we have an issue open to have an updated test suite, but ←
15:00:51 <dcharbon2> ivan: on the process side, of course there have been groups that decided to publish the test suite as part of the recommendation - not sure we are doing that
Ivan Herman: on the process side, of course there have been groups that decided to publish the test suite as part of the recommendation - not sure we are doing that ←
15:01:03 <dcharbon2> ... publishing this by the time that we go to candidate rec is ok
... publishing this by the time that we go to candidate rec is ok ←
15:01:12 <dcharbon2> ... but I understand your concern on the technical part
... but I understand your concern on the technical part ←
15:01:13 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
15:01:33 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: will contact editors regarding next heartbeat round and whether they can manage to go forward
Axel Polleres: will contact editors regarding next heartbeat round and whether they can manage to go forward ←
15:01:42 <dcharbon2> ... can make timeline to go to last call for semtech
... can make timeline to go to last call for semtech ←
15:01:53 <dcharbon2> ... test cases we will have to continue to discuss next time
... test cases we will have to continue to discuss next time ←
15:02:08 <dcharbon2> AndyS: who here has read the mythical man month?
Andy Seaborne: who here has read the mythical man month? ←
15:02:16 <SteveH> ...again
Steve Harris: ...again ←
15:02:35 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: are you saying we're going too tight?
Axel Polleres: are you saying we're going too tight? ←
15:02:42 <dcharbon2> AndyS: there are a lot of things to do
Andy Seaborne: there are a lot of things to do ←
15:02:54 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: will need to see where we are at next working draft
Axel Polleres: will need to see where we are at next working draft ←
15:03:00 <dcharbon2> ... we've run over time
... we've run over time ←
15:03:08 <dcharbon2> .. ask other editors to think it over
.. ask other editors to think it over ←
15:03:19 <dcharbon2> ... free the time to help us to make the goals...
... free the time to help us to make the goals... ←
15:03:39 <dcharbon2> ... next week, LeeF confirmed is fine with telecon next week
... next week, LeeF confirmed is fine with telecon next week ←
15:03:43 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
15:03:46 <AxelPolleres> adjourned
Axel Polleres: adjourned ←
15:03:47 <Zakim> -chimezie
Zakim IRC Bot: -chimezie ←
15:03:48 <Zakim> -Souri
Zakim IRC Bot: -Souri ←
15:03:48 <Zakim> -bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm ←
15:03:52 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
15:03:53 <Zakim> -OlivierCorby
Zakim IRC Bot: -OlivierCorby ←
15:03:53 <Zakim> -pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon ←
15:03:56 <Zakim> -kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei ←
15:03:57 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: -AxelPolleres ←
15:04:16 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?
Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:04:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see dcharbon2, SteveH, MattPerry
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see dcharbon2, SteveH, MattPerry ←
15:04:57 <AxelPolleres> summary: next haertbeat end of April for review, mid may next round published... beyond that: LC by SemTech is the ideal goal, question whether we can manage that
15:05:29 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public
Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make records public ←
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