SPARQL Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 30 March 2010

Seen
Alexandre Passant, Andy Seaborne, Axel Polleres, Birte Glimm, Chimezie Ogbuji, David Charboneau, Gregory Williams, Ivan Herman, Lee Feigenbaum, Matthew Perry, Olivier Corby, Orri Erling, Paul Gearon, Sandro Hawke, Souripriya Das, Steve Harris
Chair
Axel Polleres
Scribe
David Charboneau
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-03-23 link
Topics
  1. comments

  2. liaisons

  3. publication dates

    next haertbeat end of April for review, mid may next round published... beyond that: LC by SemTech is the ideal goal, question whether we can manage that

13:57:52 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/03/30-sparql-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/03/30-sparql-irc

13:58:14 <AxelPolleres> trackbot, start meeting

Axel Polleres: trackbot, start meeting

13:58:14 <AxelPolleres> chair: Axel Polleres
13:58:16 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs world

13:58:18 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be 77277

13:58:18 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes

13:58:19 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:58:19 <trackbot> Date: 30 March 2010
13:58:37 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone?

13:58:37 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, AxelPolleres

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, AxelPolleres

13:58:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see MattPerry, Zakim, RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2, OlivierCorby, bglimm, LeeF, SteveH, ivan, AndyS, karl, pgearon, iv_an_ru, ericP, sandro, AlexPassant, kasei,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see MattPerry, Zakim, RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2, OlivierCorby, bglimm, LeeF, SteveH, ivan, AndyS, karl, pgearon, iv_an_ru, ericP, sandro, AlexPassant, kasei,

13:58:42 <Zakim> ... trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot

13:59:04 <AxelPolleres> scribe: David Charboneau

(Scribe set to David Charboneau)

13:59:27 <AxelPolleres> scribenick: dcharbon2
14:00:07 <kasei> Zakim?

Gregory Williams: Zakim?

14:00:10 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:00:10 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, AxelPolleres

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, AxelPolleres

14:00:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see SteveH, MattPerry, Zakim, RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2, OlivierCorby, bglimm, LeeF, ivan, AndyS, karl, pgearon, iv_an_ru, ericP, sandro, AlexPassant, kasei,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see SteveH, MattPerry, Zakim, RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2, OlivierCorby, bglimm, LeeF, ivan, AndyS, karl, pgearon, iv_an_ru, ericP, sandro, AlexPassant, kasei,

14:00:14 <Zakim> ... trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot

14:00:58 <bglimm> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Birte Glimm: Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:01:10 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:01:12 <bglimm> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Birte Glimm: Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:01:12 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, bglimm

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, bglimm

14:01:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see SteveH, MattPerry, Zakim, RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2, OlivierCorby, bglimm, LeeF, ivan, AndyS, karl, pgearon, iv_an_ru, ericP, sandro, AlexPassant, kasei,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see SteveH, MattPerry, Zakim, RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2, OlivierCorby, bglimm, LeeF, ivan, AndyS, karl, pgearon, iv_an_ru, ericP, sandro, AlexPassant, kasei,

14:01:16 <Zakim> ... trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot

14:01:25 <bglimm> Zakim, this is SPARQL

Birte Glimm: Zakim, this is SPARQL

14:01:25 <Zakim> ok, bglimm; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, bglimm; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM

14:01:26 <AxelPolleres> trackbot, start meeting

Axel Polleres: trackbot, start meeting

14:01:28 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs world

14:01:30 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be 77277

14:01:30 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start now

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start now

14:01:31 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
14:01:31 <trackbot> Date: 30 March 2010
14:01:32 <pgearon> I've dialied in, but Zakim didn't mention that I'm here

Paul Gearon: I've dialied in, but Zakim didn't mention that I'm here

14:01:47 <SteveH> Zakim, who's on the phone?

Steve Harris: Zakim, who's on the phone?

14:01:47 <Zakim> I notice SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has restarted

Zakim IRC Bot: I notice SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has restarted

14:01:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see +03539149aaaa, dcharbon2, ??P25, OlivierCorby, bglimm, +0208439aabb, +1.540.412.aacc, Souri, ??P36

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +03539149aaaa, dcharbon2, ??P25, OlivierCorby, bglimm, +0208439aabb, +1.540.412.aacc, Souri, ??P36

14:01:49 <bglimm> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Birte Glimm: Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:01:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see +03539149aaaa, dcharbon2, ??P25, OlivierCorby, bglimm, +0208439aabb, +1.540.412.aacc, Souri, ??P36

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +03539149aaaa, dcharbon2, ??P25, OlivierCorby, bglimm, +0208439aabb, +1.540.412.aacc, Souri, ??P36

14:02:01 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, aaaa is me

Axel Polleres: Zakim, aaaa is me

14:02:01 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AxelPolleres; got it

14:02:02 <pgearon> zakim, aacc is me

Paul Gearon: zakim, aacc is me

14:02:04 <Zakim> +pgearon; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +pgearon; got it

14:02:04 <SteveH> Zakim, aabb is ms

Steve Harris: Zakim, aabb is ms

14:02:05 <dcharbon2> zakim, mute me

zakim, mute me

14:02:06 <Zakim> +ms; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +ms; got it

14:02:08 <Zakim> dcharbon2 should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: dcharbon2 should now be muted

14:02:10 <Zakim> +??P40

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P40

14:02:10 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip

14:02:13 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made

14:02:13 <AndyS> zakim, ??P40 is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P40 is me

14:02:14 <Zakim> +Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan

14:02:16 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it

14:02:22 <kasei> Zakim, P25 is me

Gregory Williams: Zakim, P25 is me

14:02:30 <Zakim> sorry, kasei, I do not recognize a party named 'P25'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, kasei, I do not recognize a party named 'P25'

14:02:37 <kasei> Zakim, ??P25 is me

Gregory Williams: Zakim, ??P25 is me

14:02:42 <Zakim> +kasei; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +kasei; got it

14:03:00 <MattPerry> zakim, who is on the phone?

Matthew Perry: zakim, who is on the phone?

14:03:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see AxelPolleres, dcharbon2 (muted), kasei, OlivierCorby, bglimm, ms, pgearon, Souri, ??P36, AndyS, Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AxelPolleres, dcharbon2 (muted), kasei, OlivierCorby, bglimm, ms, pgearon, Souri, ??P36, AndyS, Ivan

14:03:11 <AxelPolleres> agenda http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-03-30

Axel Polleres: agenda http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-03-30

14:03:13 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Still need to write up some of the notes from f2f

Axel Polleres: Still need to write up some of the notes from f2f

14:03:14 <MattPerry> zakim, ??P36 is me

Matthew Perry: zakim, ??P36 is me

14:03:14 <Zakim> +MattPerry; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MattPerry; got it

14:03:19 <SteveH> Zakim, ms is me

Steve Harris: Zakim, ms is me

14:03:19 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveH; got it

14:03:39 <Zakim> +??P45

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P45

14:03:44 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Thank everyone for productive f2f. Goal for today is to try to settle issues to get to publications

Axel Polleres: Thank everyone for productive f2f. Goal for today is to try to settle issues to get to publications

14:04:03 <dcharbon2> Minutes are out there. Next time go into more technical issues. Today is more wrap up of f2f

Minutes are out there. Next time go into more technical issues. Today is more wrap up of f2f

14:04:19 <dcharbon2> ... try to get to publication round

... try to get to publication round

14:04:27 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-03-23

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-03-23

14:04:38 <Zakim> + +1.216.445.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.216.445.aadd

14:04:47 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-03-23

PROPOSED: approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-03-23

14:04:59 <chimezie> Zakim, +1.216.445.aadd is me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, +1.216.445.aadd is me

14:04:59 <Zakim> +chimezie; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +chimezie; got it

14:05:04 <dcharbon2> +1

+1

14:05:16 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-03-23

RESOLVED: approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-03-23

14:05:23 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Next is the F2F minutes

Axel Polleres: Next is the F2F minutes

14:05:25 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me

14:05:25 <Zakim> chimezie should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: chimezie should now be muted

14:05:33 <dcharbon2> ... perhaps not everyone has had time to look through them

... perhaps not everyone has had time to look through them

14:05:41 <dcharbon2> ... don't propose to approve today

... don't propose to approve today

14:05:58 <dcharbon2> ... let AxelPolleres know if there are any changes that need to be made, anything missing

... let AxelPolleres know if there are any changes that need to be made, anything missing

14:06:00 <dcharbon2> ... per email

... per email

14:06:10 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Next meeting is in one week.

Axel Polleres: Next meeting is in one week.

14:06:17 <AxelPolleres> 2010-04-06 (or is that too tight with Easter?)

Axel Polleres: 2010-04-06 (or is that too tight with Easter?)

14:06:19 <dcharbon2> ... is this okay for everyone?

... is this okay for everyone?

14:06:21 <bglimm> I'll be away

Birte Glimm: I'll be away

14:06:25 <AndyS> Fine for me.

Andy Seaborne: Fine for me.

14:06:33 <kasei> I won't be able to make next week.

Gregory Williams: I won't be able to make next week.

14:06:34 <ivan> regrets for a meetin in a week

Ivan Herman: regrets for a meetin in a week

14:06:38 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

14:06:39 <dcharbon2> I could make it

I could make it

14:06:40 <pgearon> I can be here

Paul Gearon: I can be here

14:06:45 <MattPerry> will be ok for me

Matthew Perry: will be ok for me

14:06:57 <OlivierCorby> OK for the 6

Olivier Corby: OK for the 6

14:06:58 <AxelPolleres> lee, would you be able to make it next week?

Axel Polleres: lee, would you be able to make it next week?

14:07:18 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: about 1/2 people can make it

Axel Polleres: about 1/2 people can make it

14:07:29 <dcharbon2> ... leave it up to Lee to decide, AxelPolleres won't be there

... leave it up to Lee to decide, AxelPolleres won't be there

14:07:49 <dcharbon2> ... Have on record who can make it, see if there are topics that could be covered amongst those who can make it

... Have on record who can make it, see if there are topics that could be covered amongst those who can make it

14:08:08 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

14:08:08 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted

14:08:09 <AxelPolleres> anybody please indicate on IRC whether you'd be available for a TC in one week!

Axel Polleres: anybody please indicate on IRC whether you'd be available for a TC in one week!

14:08:26 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Comments handling, go quickly through comments to see where we are

Axel Polleres: Comments handling, go quickly through comments to see where we are

14:08:28 <AxelPolleres> topic: comments

1. comments

14:08:29 <AndyS> Could we decide one way of the other please?  Leaving to last minute is a bit of a nuisance.

Andy Seaborne: Could we decide one way of the other please? Leaving to last minute is a bit of a nuisance.

14:08:38 <SteveH> +1

Steve Harris: +1

14:08:39 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments

14:08:43 <SteveH> [to AndyS]

Steve Harris: [to AndyS]

14:09:10 <AndyS> Yes

Andy Seaborne: Yes

14:09:14 <pgearon> OK here

Paul Gearon: OK here

14:09:16 <bglimm> ok

Birte Glimm: ok

14:09:22 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Will try to get answer from Lee on whether he can chair today and get an email out by tomorrow latest, ok?

Axel Polleres: Will try to get answer from Lee on whether he can chair today and get an email out by tomorrow latest, ok?

14:09:27 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to clarify by tomorrow latest whether we'll have a TC next week

ACTION: Axel to clarify by tomorrow latest whether we'll have a TC next week

14:09:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-215 - Clarify by tomorrow latest whether we'll have a TC next week [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-04-06].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-215 - Clarify by tomorrow latest whether we'll have a TC next week [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-04-06].

14:09:28 <dcharbon2> AndyS: Okay for me

Andy Seaborne: Okay for me

14:10:06 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: There are many open - is anyone working on a response for any of the open ones?

Axel Polleres: There are many open - is anyone working on a response for any of the open ones?

14:10:11 <AndyS> q+

Andy Seaborne: q+

14:10:26 <dcharbon2> AndyS: all marked for property paths I will do

Andy Seaborne: all marked for property paths I will do

14:10:34 <dcharbon2> ... I will probably do them all in a single reply

... I will probably do them all in a single reply

14:10:43 <dcharbon2> ... several are about duplicates, so will address them all at once

... several are about duplicates, so will address them all at once

14:10:51 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: I will assign those all to you

Axel Polleres: I will assign those all to you

14:11:09 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Is the last one in that group?

Axel Polleres: Is the last one in that group?

14:11:25 <dcharbon2> AndyS: no, there was a followup that that wasn't a comment

Andy Seaborne: no, there was a followup that that wasn't a comment

14:11:42 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Mar/0002.html

Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Mar/0002.html

14:11:42 <dcharbon2> ... no property paths associated with it if I remember correctly

... no property paths associated with it if I remember correctly

14:11:54 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Is this the message we're talking about?

Axel Polleres: Is this the message we're talking about?

14:12:14 <dcharbon2> AndyS: yes. His message on the 23rd, which is a forward

Andy Seaborne: yes. His message on the 23rd, which is a forward

14:12:19 <AndyS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Mar/0005.html

Andy Seaborne: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Mar/0005.html

14:12:26 <kasei> I need to send off the NH-1 response based on the F2F discussion. Will confirm draft with the list first.

Gregory Williams: I need to send off the NH-1 response based on the F2F discussion. Will confirm draft with the list first.

14:12:42 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: 4 can be taken off

Axel Polleres: 4 can be taken off

14:12:48 <LeeF> Yes, I can make next week's call

Lee Feigenbaum: Yes, I can make next week's call

14:13:10 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: who would be taking over the one for aggregates?

Axel Polleres: who would be taking over the one for aggregates?

14:13:26 <dcharbon2> SteveH: Have you got a link to rv4?

Steve Harris: Have you got a link to rv4?

14:13:30 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Mar/0002.html

Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Mar/0002.html

14:13:38 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: it was cc'd to the comments list right?

Axel Polleres: it was cc'd to the comments list right?

14:13:54 <dcharbon2> SteveH: there was a followup that it wasn't comment, just feedback

Steve Harris: there was a followup that it wasn't comment, just feedback

14:14:02 <dcharbon2> AndyS: that was just about the property paths

Andy Seaborne: that was just about the property paths

14:14:14 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: it would be good if you could have another look

Axel Polleres: it would be good if you could have another look

14:14:18 <dcharbon2> SteveH: okay

Steve Harris: okay

14:14:32 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: I will fill that in in the comments list, assigning to SteveH

Axel Polleres: I will fill that in in the comments list, assigning to SteveH

14:15:09 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: There is a comment from Nicolai on update syntax

Axel Polleres: There is a comment from Nicolai on update syntax

14:15:13 <dcharbon2> ... on the 18th

... on the 18th

14:15:14 <AndyS> ED-1

Andy Seaborne: ED-1

14:15:20 <AxelPolleres> RV-4 to SteveH,

Axel Polleres: RV-4 to SteveH,

14:15:29 <AxelPolleres> NA-1 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Mar/0000.html

Axel Polleres: NA-1 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Mar/0000.html

14:15:52 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q?

14:15:58 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: this one is about insert/delete

Axel Polleres: this one is about insert/delete

14:16:01 <AndyS>  Unassigned: ED-1, ST-1, RV-3, NA-1, RV-4 (now to Steve)

Andy Seaborne: Unassigned: ED-1, ST-1, RV-3, NA-1, RV-4 (now to Steve)

14:16:03 <AndyS> ack me

Andy Seaborne: ack me

14:16:07 <chimezie> i can hear loud keyboard activity

Chimezie Ogbuji: i can hear loud keyboard activity

14:16:17 <pgearon> me is getting so much typing noise I cannot hear Axel

Paul Gearon: me is getting so much typing noise I cannot hear Axel

14:17:09 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: we discussed this at the f2f and the conclusion was that we would not want to make this combination having query and udpate in this round, though we acknowledged it was interesting

Axel Polleres: we discussed this at the f2f and the conclusion was that we would not want to make this combination having query and udpate in this round, though we acknowledged it was interesting

14:17:22 <dcharbon2> ... anyone interested in drafting response, otherwise I will

... anyone interested in drafting response, otherwise I will

14:17:25 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: draft response for NA-1

ACTION: draft response for NA-1

14:17:25 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - draft

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - draft

14:17:27 <dcharbon2> ... I will draft the resposne

... I will draft the resposne

14:17:39 <dcharbon2> s/response/resposne

s/response/resposne

14:18:00 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: There is one open on aggregates and property paths

Axel Polleres: There is one open on aggregates and property paths

14:18:21 <dcharbon2> ... SteveH , do you think you can address RV-3, at least the aggregates part?

... SteveH , do you think you can address RV-3, at least the aggregates part?

14:18:39 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: there is a reply from both of you, it seems to be fine, right?

Axel Polleres: there is a reply from both of you, it seems to be fine, right?

14:18:52 <dcharbon2> SteveH: there is a response from Rob that he is okay with the response

Steve Harris: there is a response from Rob that he is okay with the response

14:19:06 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: RV-4 can be considered as the open comment

Axel Polleres: RV-4 can be considered as the open comment

14:19:22 <dcharbon2> SteveH: in response to RV-4 I include a request that RV-3 is closed as well

Steve Harris: in response to RV-4 I include a request that RV-3 is closed as well

14:19:27 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Ok, good

Axel Polleres: Ok, good

14:19:45 <dcharbon2> AndyS: Steve, you said that response to RV-3 is as an individual?

Andy Seaborne: Steve, you said that response to RV-3 is as an individual?

14:19:51 <dcharbon2> SteveH: I may have confused 2 and 3

Steve Harris: I may have confused 2 and 3

14:20:26 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: steve to ask Rob Vesse in response to RV-4 whether  RV-3 has been addresses satisfactory.

ACTION: steve to ask Rob Vesse in response to RV-4 whether RV-3 has been addresses satisfactory.

14:20:26 <trackbot> Created ACTION-216 - Ask Rob Vesse in response to RV-4 whether  RV-3 has been addresses satisfactory. [on Steve Harris - due 2010-04-06].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-216 - Ask Rob Vesse in response to RV-4 whether RV-3 has been addresses satisfactory. [on Steve Harris - due 2010-04-06].

14:20:34 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Suggest add sentence in response to RV-4 include a link and ask if he is satisfied with the response he's got so far

Axel Polleres: Suggest add sentence in response to RV-4 include a link and ask if he is satisfied with the response he's got so far

14:20:41 <dcharbon2> SteveH: that's fine

Steve Harris: that's fine

14:20:49 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Feb/0015.html

Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Feb/0015.html

14:20:51 <AxelPolleres> ST-1

Axel Polleres: ST-1

14:21:08 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: request for named graph templates everywhere

Axel Polleres: request for named graph templates everywhere

14:21:27 <dcharbon2> ... not sure whether we discussed that at all or ..

... not sure whether we discussed that at all or ..

14:21:43 <dcharbon2> SteveH: we discussed the construct part but don't think we came to a conclusion

Steve Harris: we discussed the construct part but don't think we came to a conclusion

14:21:53 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Are we able to draft a response or not?

Axel Polleres: Are we able to draft a response or not?

14:22:04 <dcharbon2> SteveH: Probably not till we've discussed it I think?

Steve Harris: Probably not till we've discussed it I think?

14:22:24 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Is it okay to respond while the issue is open for us? Or respond at least that we are discussing it?

Axel Polleres: Is it okay to respond while the issue is open for us? Or respond at least that we are discussing it?

14:22:36 <dcharbon2> SteveH: no strong feeling - I think I responded that this is an open issue

Steve Harris: no strong feeling - I think I responded that this is an open issue

14:22:52 <dcharbon2> .. I think that responding it's still open would be a reasonable response?

.. I think that responding it's still open would be a reasonable response?

14:23:00 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Anyone to do this?

Axel Polleres: Anyone to do this?

14:23:11 <dcharbon2> AndyS: why not assign it to the editor?

Andy Seaborne: why not assign it to the editor?

14:23:18 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: is paul on the call?

Axel Polleres: is paul on the call?

14:23:23 <dcharbon2> pgearon: yes

Paul Gearon: yes

14:23:36 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: can we assign that to you and have you keep track of it?

Axel Polleres: can we assign that to you and have you keep track of it?

14:23:39 <dcharbon2> pgearon: yeah, ok

Paul Gearon: yeah, ok

14:23:39 <LeeF> Before LC, I don't see the need to reply before we've addressed the issue - there is no time constraint (there's also not anything wrong with replying that we're tsill considering something, i just don't think it's necessary)

Lee Feigenbaum: Before LC, I don't see the need to reply before we've addressed the issue - there is no time constraint (there's also not anything wrong with replying that we're tsill considering something, i just don't think it's necessary)

14:23:44 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Paul to draft response on ST-1

ACTION: Paul to draft response on ST-1

14:23:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-217 - Draft response on ST-1 [on Paul Gearon - due 2010-04-06].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-217 - Draft response on ST-1 [on Paul Gearon - due 2010-04-06].

14:24:01 <AxelPolleres> ED-1

Axel Polleres: ED-1

14:24:10 <AndyS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Feb/0006.html

Andy Seaborne: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Feb/0006.html

14:24:15 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Next open is Emanuele on aggregate syntax

Axel Polleres: Next open is Emanuele on aggregate syntax

14:24:25 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: I answered that personally

Axel Polleres: I answered that personally

14:24:32 <dcharbon2> ... next was for him to explain on some details

... next was for him to explain on some details

14:24:43 <dcharbon2> ... I will put myself here and check back here if there are any open issues

... I will put myself here and check back here if there are any open issues

14:24:51 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to check back on ED-1

ACTION: Axel to check back on ED-1

14:24:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-218 - Check back on ED-1 [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-04-06].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-218 - Check back on ED-1 [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-04-06].

14:25:11 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: we have some open on property paths - RN-1

Axel Polleres: we have some open on property paths - RN-1

14:25:16 <dcharbon2> ... from January

... from January

14:25:24 <AxelPolleres> RN-1 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Jan/0000.html

Axel Polleres: RN-1 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Jan/0000.html

14:25:48 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: There are some replies, it seems

Axel Polleres: There are some replies, it seems

14:25:59 <pgearon> not precisely

Paul Gearon: not precisely

14:26:08 <dcharbon2> ... you sent a reply on that, Paul, but I don't know if this can be considered as a reply

... you sent a reply on that, Paul, but I don't know if this can be considered as a reply

14:26:15 <dcharbon2> pgearon: no, this isn't officially a reply

Paul Gearon: no, this isn't officially a reply

14:26:24 <dcharbon2> ... I sent out a request for clarification/comments

... I sent out a request for clarification/comments

14:26:33 <dcharbon2> ... Richard ended up in the conversation with us

... Richard ended up in the conversation with us

14:26:45 <dcharbon2> ... formally hasn't been responded to, informally has been

... formally hasn't been responded to, informally has been

14:26:57 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: can you follow up with him to see if he needs a further response?

Axel Polleres: can you follow up with him to see if he needs a further response?

14:27:00 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Paul to check back whether RN-1 needs to be further addressed

ACTION: Paul to check back whether RN-1 needs to be further addressed

14:27:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-219 - Check back whether RN-1 needs to be further addressed [on Paul Gearon - due 2010-04-06].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-219 - Check back whether RN-1 needs to be further addressed [on Paul Gearon - due 2010-04-06].

14:27:00 <dcharbon2> pgearon: ok, I will

Paul Gearon: ok, I will

14:27:23 <AxelPolleres> topic:liaisons

2. liaisons

14:27:34 <AndyS> Axel - are you going to update the comment wiki page?

Andy Seaborne: Axel - are you going to update the comment wiki page?

14:27:41 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Is there anything new on liasons, RIF/RDF/etc..

Axel Polleres: Is there anything new on liasons, RIF/RDF/etc..

14:28:04 <dcharbon2> Orri: identifying the issues there

Orri Erling: identifying the issues there

14:28:10 <dcharbon2> ... for RDF

... for RDF

14:28:26 <dcharbon2> ... converging aggreement on syntax - nothing that SPARQL group should worry about

... converging aggreement on syntax - nothing that SPARQL group should worry about

14:28:42 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: sandro?

Axel Polleres: sandro?

14:29:11 <dcharbon2> sandro: RIF did decide that it has exit met criteria and will move to publication in next few weeks. No impact to SPARQL

Sandro Hawke: RIF did decide that it has exit met criteria and will move to publication in next few weeks. No impact to SPARQL

14:29:23 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-03-25

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-03-25

14:29:25 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: have minutes from f2f here

Axel Polleres: have minutes from f2f here

14:29:29 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-03-26

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-03-26

14:29:32 <dcharbon2> ... rough minutes

... rough minutes

14:30:02 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: do we want to go quickly through the resolutions, explain what they mean for anyone who wasn't present

Axel Polleres: do we want to go quickly through the resolutions, explain what they mean for anyone who wasn't present

14:30:26 <dcharbon2> ... first two resolutions were about getting the entailment and property path features more weight by these resolutions

... first two resolutions were about getting the entailment and property path features more weight by these resolutions

14:30:36 <dcharbon2> ... saying will carry them over by rec

... saying will carry them over by rec

14:30:44 <dcharbon2> ... 3rd resolution closed issue-20

... 3rd resolution closed ISSUE-20

14:31:05 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/index.php?title=Lees_Update_Graph_Model&oldid=1995

Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/index.php?title=Lees_Update_Graph_Model&oldid=1995

14:31:12 <dcharbon2> ... which was by adoption of Lee's graph model

... which was by adoption of Lee's graph model

14:31:18 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Lees_Update_Graph_Model

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Lees_Update_Graph_Model

14:31:28 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: this was the way forward decided for issue-20

Axel Polleres: this was the way forward decided for ISSUE-20

14:31:54 <dcharbon2> ... a way that will allow us to allow triple stores that have explicit notion of graphs as well as just triple stores

... a way that will allow us to allow triple stores that have explicit notion of graphs as well as just triple stores

14:32:01 <dcharbon2> ... any questions on that, let me know

... any questions on that, let me know

14:32:12 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: separators between queries, next

Axel Polleres: separators between queries, next

14:32:18 <dcharbon2> ... this was in update operations

... this was in update operations

14:32:27 <pgearon> +q

Paul Gearon: +q

14:32:31 <dcharbon2> ... semicolon is the separator between series of update operations

... semicolon is the separator between series of update operations

14:33:08 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: next on whether anything more than success or failure should be returned, agreed that there will be just success or failure on update

Axel Polleres: next on whether anything more than success or failure should be returned, agreed that there will be just success or failure on update

14:33:11 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me

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Zakim IRC Bot: chimezie should no longer be muted

14:33:42 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: issue-26, we don't provide any transactional mechanism except to say that update operations should be processed atomicall

Axel Polleres: ISSUE-26, we don't provide any transactional mechanism except to say that update operations should be processed atomicall

14:34:14 <dcharbon2> pgearon: you said that semicolons would be separators between update operations, end of update would be semicolon or end of file

Paul Gearon: you said that semicolons would be separators between update operations, end of update would be semicolon or end of file

14:34:18 <SteveH> q+

Steve Harris: q+

14:34:26 <dcharbon2> pgearon: I thought that there would only be end of file at the end

Paul Gearon: I thought that there would only be end of file at the end

14:34:46 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: you could just have empty or separator, maybe someone else has an opinion?

Axel Polleres: you could just have empty or separator, maybe someone else has an opinion?

14:34:49 <AxelPolleres> ack SteveH

Axel Polleres: ack SteveH

14:34:59 <dcharbon2> SteveH: my recollection was same as AxelPolleres

Steve Harris: my recollection was same as AxelPolleres

14:35:09 <dcharbon2> ... allow compatibility with command line clients

... allow compatibility with command line clients

14:35:09 <AndyS> Agree -- ";" is optional at end

Andy Seaborne: Agree -- ";" is optional at end

14:35:14 <dcharbon2> pgearon: no problem, then

Paul Gearon: no problem, then

14:35:35 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q?

14:35:41 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: issue-18 about concurrent - don't make any recommendations on how to handle concurrent

Axel Polleres: ISSUE-18 about concurrent - don't make any recommendations on how to handle concurrent

14:35:44 <AxelPolleres> ack pgearon

Axel Polleres: ack pgearon

14:35:53 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: day 2 resolutions

Axel Polleres: day 2 resolutions

14:35:55 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-03-26

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-03-26

14:36:37 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: first was for how treat errors in aggregates - go with proposal from AndyS

Axel Polleres: first was for how treat errors in aggregates - go with proposal from AndyS

14:36:42 <dcharbon2> ... return tuple multisets

... return tuple multisets

14:36:48 <dcharbon2> ... and number of errors

... and number of errors

14:36:56 <dcharbon2> ... resolved also issue-53

... resolved also ISSUE-53

14:37:35 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: then went through list of proposed aggregates in resolutions 3,4,5 and decide on groupconcat

Axel Polleres: then went through list of proposed aggregates in resolutions 3,4,5 and decide on groupconcat

14:37:59 <dcharbon2> ... distinguished parameters for aggregates and functional parameters separated from regular parameters by semicolons

... distinguished parameters for aggregates and functional parameters separated from regular parameters by semicolons

14:38:03 <SteveH> q+

Steve Harris: q+

14:38:13 <SteveH> q-

Steve Harris: q-

14:38:14 <dcharbon2> s/semicolons/semicolon

s/semicolons/semicolon

14:38:15 <Zakim> +Sandro.a

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro.a

14:38:19 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

14:38:34 <sandro> zakim, Sandro.a is Sandro

Sandro Hawke: zakim, Sandro.a is Sandro

14:38:34 <Zakim> +Sandro; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro; got it

14:38:49 <Souri> q+ ask about default separator in GROUP_CONCAT

Souripriya Das: q+ ask about default separator in GROUP_CONCAT

14:38:56 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: allowing variables or expressions in group by, decided to go with what is currently in the grammar

Axel Polleres: allowing variables or expressions in group by, decided to go with what is currently in the grammar

14:39:06 <dcharbon2> ... in group by you could have actually any expression

... in group by you could have actually any expression

14:39:11 <Souri> q+ ask about default separator

Souripriya Das: q+ ask about default separator

14:39:16 <dcharbon2> ... expression could be renamed to variable in a group by expression

... expression could be renamed to variable in a group by expression

14:39:25 <dcharbon2> ... could be reused but doesn't need to be projected

... could be reused but doesn't need to be projected

14:39:45 <dcharbon2> Souri: for group_concat, space was default separator?

Souripriya Das: for group_concat, space was default separator?

14:39:53 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: there was some discussion on that

Axel Polleres: there was some discussion on that

14:40:12 <dcharbon2> ... in the minutes, where the resolution is discussed, we agreed to a default, current default is whitespace

... in the minutes, where the resolution is discussed, we agreed to a default, current default is whitespace

14:40:26 <dcharbon2> Souri: no resolution on that

Souripriya Das: no resolution on that

14:40:35 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: no, but there was aggreement

Axel Polleres: no, but there was aggreement

14:40:56 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: discussion about negation

Axel Polleres: discussion about negation

14:41:42 <dcharbon2> ... might be a bit confusing... we agreed that we go with the not exists syntax, but eventually concluded that we will have minus as an operator and exists and not exists in filters

... might be a bit confusing... we agreed that we go with the not exists syntax, but eventually concluded that we will have minus as an operator and exists and not exists in filters

14:41:54 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: any questions on that?

Axel Polleres: any questions on that?

14:41:56 <Souri> !EXISTS instead of NOT EXISTS

Souripriya Das: !EXISTS instead of NOT EXISTS

14:42:02 <AndyS> This is a change to the NOT EXISTS design

Andy Seaborne: This is a change to the NOT EXISTS design

14:42:02 <dcharbon2> ... closed several issues on entailment

... closed several issues on entailment

14:43:01 <dcharbon2> zakim, unmute me

zakim, unmute me

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14:43:16 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: issue-42 was about inconsistencies in entailment

Axel Polleres: ISSUE-42 was about inconsistencies in entailment

14:43:44 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q?

14:43:52 <dcharbon2> found a way to define it in such a way that we can also support impls that can't do the check, but allow those that can to raise an error

found a way to define it in such a way that we can also support impls that can't do the check, but allow those that can to raise an error

14:43:57 <SteveH> Zakim, who's speaking?

Steve Harris: Zakim, who's speaking?

14:44:07 <Zakim> SteveH, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AxelPolleres (69%), Sandro (56%), OlivierCorby (4%), Ivan (5%)

Zakim IRC Bot: SteveH, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AxelPolleres (69%), Sandro (56%), OlivierCorby (4%), Ivan (5%)

14:44:20 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: resolution 12, allow entailment to weak finiteness condition

Axel Polleres: resolution 12, allow entailment to weak finiteness condition

14:44:38 <SteveH> q+

Steve Harris: q+

14:44:40 <dcharbon2> make room for RIF-core where such guarantees cannot always be provided

make room for RIF-core where such guarantees cannot always be provided

14:45:12 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: resolution to allow for graph forms that don't have URIs because they don't have an official recommendation

Axel Polleres: resolution to allow for graph forms that don't have URIs because they don't have an official recommendation

14:45:25 <dcharbon2> SteveH: can't hear, lot of background noise

Steve Harris: can't hear, lot of background noise

14:45:38 <kasei> I heard "service description", but couldn't really hear anything else.

Gregory Williams: I heard "service description", but couldn't really hear anything else.

14:45:59 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: is there anything from people who couldn't hear on the last resolutions?

Axel Polleres: is there anything from people who couldn't hear on the last resolutions?

14:46:15 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: ... so far so good.

Axel Polleres: ... so far so good.

14:46:27 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: how and when do we go forward with next drafts

Axel Polleres: how and when do we go forward with next drafts

14:46:41 <AxelPolleres> topic: publication dates

3. publication dates

Summary: next haertbeat end of April for review, mid may next round published... beyond that: LC by SemTech is the ideal goal, question whether we can manage that

14:46:58 <AndyS> q+

Andy Seaborne: q+

14:47:06 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: if we keep with 3 month cycle of publishing, next round is end of April

Axel Polleres: if we keep with 3 month cycle of publishing, next round is end of April

14:47:18 <dcharbon2> ... not really feasible? Maybe we can get something done 1 or 2 weeks later

... not really feasible? Maybe we can get something done 1 or 2 weeks later

14:47:26 <dcharbon2> ... should get to last call sooner or later

... should get to last call sooner or later

14:47:38 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/05/sparql-phase-II-charter.html

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/05/sparql-phase-II-charter.html

14:47:56 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: look to charter, in time plan we are already over due with last call

Axel Polleres: look to charter, in time plan we are already over due with last call

14:48:04 <dcharbon2> ... can we get to last call with next round of publications?

... can we get to last call with next round of publications?

14:48:08 <dcharbon2> ... where do people stand with it?

... where do people stand with it?

14:48:33 <dcharbon2> ...2 questions, when can resolutions of f2f be incorporated into specifications?

...2 questions, when can resolutions of f2f be incorporated into specifications?

14:48:45 <dcharbon2> ... do we need an intermediate working draft or can we go to last call already

... do we need an intermediate working draft or can we go to last call already

14:49:00 <dcharbon2> ... go to documents, start with Query, AndyS  and SteveH , what do you think?

... go to documents, start with Query, AndyS and SteveH , what do you think?

14:49:14 <dcharbon2> SteveH: I think we should probably go to last call once the resolutions have been implemented

Steve Harris: I think we should probably go to last call once the resolutions have been implemented

14:49:29 <dcharbon2> ... I've added English text to make it clear what everything means

... I've added English text to make it clear what everything means

14:49:52 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: it seems clear we know what needs to be done, but we have a lot of editorial work to be done from talking to you both

Axel Polleres: it seems clear we know what needs to be done, but we have a lot of editorial work to be done from talking to you both

14:50:05 <dcharbon2> ... issues with structuring the content

... issues with structuring the content

14:50:19 <dcharbon2> ... how much time do you need? What would a reasonable deadline be?

... how much time do you need? What would a reasonable deadline be?

14:50:45 <dcharbon2> AndyS: Are we talking about being ready to publish next round? I this for heartbeat or how long to get to last call?

Andy Seaborne: Are we talking about being ready to publish next round? I this for heartbeat or how long to get to last call?

14:50:58 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: could next round be next call? by Charter, it should be

Axel Polleres: could next round be next call? by Charter, it should be

14:51:05 <dcharbon2> .. but, if we need another round, we could do that

.. but, if we need another round, we could do that

14:51:20 <dcharbon2> sandro: one more round should be fine if we need it

Sandro Hawke: one more round should be fine if we need it

14:51:33 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: AndyS , you would prefer one more heartbeat?

Axel Polleres: AndyS , you would prefer one more heartbeat?

14:51:43 <dcharbon2> AndyS: I cannot get the documents to last call quality in two weeks

Andy Seaborne: I cannot get the documents to last call quality in two weeks

14:51:57 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: I think we should do one more interim round then

Axel Polleres: I think we should do one more interim round then

14:52:17 <dcharbon2> AndyS: we haven't done a proper review and we need to integrate what we have into it

Andy Seaborne: we haven't done a proper review and we need to integrate what we have into it

14:52:59 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: what is reasonable for next heartbeat? Have editors incorporate the resolutions and one or more editorial notes for what was decided on at face to face? reasonable within 2 or 3 weeks

Axel Polleres: what is reasonable for next heartbeat? Have editors incorporate the resolutions and one or more editorial notes for what was decided on at face to face? reasonable within 2 or 3 weeks

14:53:24 <dcharbon2> AndyS: i might be able to sketch out the general structure. That will not give us time to review and publish by end of April

Andy Seaborne: i might be able to sketch out the general structure. That will not give us time to review and publish by end of April

14:53:56 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Is it ok if we are 1 or 2 weeks late? ... you can get this done by end of April without reviewing done?

Axel Polleres: Is it ok if we are 1 or 2 weeks late? ... you can get this done by end of April without reviewing done?

14:53:59 <dcharbon2> AndyS: yes

Andy Seaborne: yes

14:54:11 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: would another week or two be sufficient?

Axel Polleres: would another week or two be sufficient?

14:54:22 <dcharbon2> AndyS: do we need to pub every doc every heartbeat?

Andy Seaborne: do we need to pub every doc every heartbeat?

14:54:25 <dcharbon2> sandro: no

Sandro Hawke: no

14:54:46 <dcharbon2> .. I would rather publish them all 2 or 3 weeks late, easier for users to understand

.. I would rather publish them all 2 or 3 weeks late, easier for users to understand

14:55:13 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: if we can get all docs to a sync point to review by end of April, have 2 weeks review, publish by mid-May

Axel Polleres: if we can get all docs to a sync point to review by end of April, have 2 weeks review, publish by mid-May

14:55:18 <AndyS> I would be uncomfortable going into LC with some basic tests done to ensure we have not missed anything.

Andy Seaborne: I would be uncomfortable going into LC with some basic tests done to ensure we have not missed anything.

14:55:25 <AndyS> s/with/without/

Andy Seaborne: s/with/without/

14:55:27 <dcharbon2> ... which sandro says is okay, would like to go forward with that

... which sandro says is okay, would like to go forward with that

14:55:39 <dcharbon2> pgearon: I'm not available to do anything last week of April

Paul Gearon: I'm not available to do anything last week of April

14:55:47 <dcharbon2> sandro: will you be done by then?

Sandro Hawke: will you be done by then?

14:56:07 <dcharbon2> pgearon: I think so, I've identified a few issues that I'll send out to the mailing list to be sure I have resolutions

Paul Gearon: I think so, I've identified a few issues that I'll send out to the mailing list to be sure I have resolutions

14:56:16 <dcharbon2> sandro: would be excellent to be at last call by semtech

Sandro Hawke: would be excellent to be at last call by semtech

14:56:28 <dcharbon2> ... lots of people paying attention, don't know if that is practical

... lots of people paying attention, don't know if that is practical

14:56:39 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: semtech is end of june

Axel Polleres: semtech is end of june

14:56:48 <dcharbon2> ivan: 21st, which is a monday

Ivan Herman: 21st, which is a monday

14:57:14 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: publication mid-may is snapshot leading into semtech, keeping goal of last call by semtech in mind..

Axel Polleres: publication mid-may is snapshot leading into semtech, keeping goal of last call by semtech in mind..

14:57:23 <dcharbon2> ... good goal, but need to see if editors can manage this

... good goal, but need to see if editors can manage this

14:57:38 <dcharbon2> ... suggest to keep it in mind and see where we are

... suggest to keep it in mind and see where we are

14:57:50 <dcharbon2> sandro: need to look at open issues and see if we have any hard decisions to make

Sandro Hawke: need to look at open issues and see if we have any hard decisions to make

14:57:54 <AndyS> q+

Andy Seaborne: q+

14:58:06 <dcharbon2> AlexPassant: have docs by end of april that we can publish mid-may

Alexandre Passant: have docs by end of april that we can publish mid-may

14:58:19 <AxelPolleres> ack SteveH

Axel Polleres: ack SteveH

14:58:20 <dcharbon2> SteveH: this is text ready by end of April, review in may?

Steve Harris: this is text ready by end of April, review in may?

14:58:25 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: yes

Axel Polleres: yes

14:58:28 <SteveH> q-

Steve Harris: q-

14:58:32 <AxelPolleres> ack AndyS

Axel Polleres: ack AndyS

14:58:41 <dcharbon2> s/AlexPassant:/AxelPolleres:

s/AlexPassant:/AxelPolleres:

14:58:53 <dcharbon2> AndyS: by last call, doesn't that include tests?

Andy Seaborne: by last call, doesn't that include tests?

14:59:23 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

14:59:30 <dcharbon2> AndyS: There's two things about test - there is a document about them as well as the tests

Andy Seaborne: There's two things about test - there is a document about them as well as the tests

14:59:46 <Zakim> -??P45

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P45

14:59:50 <AxelPolleres>  BTW: we are running out of time...  I will take on mail to ask the other editors whether the overall schedule fits also the others.

Axel Polleres: BTW: we are running out of time... I will take on mail to ask the other editors whether the overall schedule fits also the others.

14:59:55 <dcharbon2> AndyS: would feel better if we had test cases that validated that we agree on what we've decided upon

Andy Seaborne: would feel better if we had test cases that validated that we agree on what we've decided upon

15:00:05 <dcharbon2> otherwise, run a big risk in having to do a second last call

otherwise, run a big risk in having to do a second last call

15:00:18 <chimezie> I agree with Andy regarding tests

Chimezie Ogbuji: I agree with Andy regarding tests

15:00:24 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: we have an issue open to have an updated test suite, but

Axel Polleres: we have an issue open to have an updated test suite, but

15:00:51 <dcharbon2> ivan: on the process side, of course there have been groups that decided to publish the test suite as part of the recommendation - not sure we are doing that

Ivan Herman: on the process side, of course there have been groups that decided to publish the test suite as part of the recommendation - not sure we are doing that

15:01:03 <dcharbon2> ... publishing this by the time that we go to candidate rec is ok

... publishing this by the time that we go to candidate rec is ok

15:01:12 <dcharbon2> ... but I understand your concern on the technical part

... but I understand your concern on the technical part

15:01:13 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

15:01:33 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: will contact editors regarding next heartbeat round and whether they can manage to go forward

Axel Polleres: will contact editors regarding next heartbeat round and whether they can manage to go forward

15:01:42 <dcharbon2> ... can make timeline to go to last call for semtech

... can make timeline to go to last call for semtech

15:01:53 <dcharbon2> ... test cases we will have to continue to discuss next time

... test cases we will have to continue to discuss next time

15:02:08 <dcharbon2> AndyS: who here has read the mythical man month?

Andy Seaborne: who here has read the mythical man month?

15:02:16 <SteveH> ...again

Steve Harris: ...again

15:02:35 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: are you saying we're going too tight?

Axel Polleres: are you saying we're going too tight?

15:02:42 <dcharbon2> AndyS: there are a lot of things to do

Andy Seaborne: there are a lot of things to do

15:02:54 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: will need to see where we are at next working draft

Axel Polleres: will need to see where we are at next working draft

15:03:00 <dcharbon2> ... we've run over time

... we've run over time

15:03:08 <dcharbon2> .. ask other editors to think it over

.. ask other editors to think it over

15:03:19 <dcharbon2> ... free the time to help us to make the goals...

... free the time to help us to make the goals...

15:03:39 <dcharbon2> ... next week, LeeF confirmed is fine with telecon next week

... next week, LeeF confirmed is fine with telecon next week

15:03:43 <Zakim> -Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan

15:03:46 <AxelPolleres> adjourned

Axel Polleres: adjourned

15:03:47 <Zakim> -chimezie

Zakim IRC Bot: -chimezie

15:03:48 <Zakim> -Souri

Zakim IRC Bot: -Souri

15:03:48 <Zakim> -bglimm

Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm

15:03:52 <Zakim> -AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS

15:03:53 <Zakim> -OlivierCorby

Zakim IRC Bot: -OlivierCorby

15:03:53 <Zakim> -pgearon

Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon

15:03:56 <Zakim> -kasei

Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei

15:03:57 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres

Zakim IRC Bot: -AxelPolleres

15:04:16 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?

Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is on the phone?

15:04:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see dcharbon2, SteveH, MattPerry

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see dcharbon2, SteveH, MattPerry

15:04:57 <AxelPolleres> summary: next haertbeat end of April for review, mid may next round published... beyond that: LC by SemTech is the ideal goal, question whether we can manage that
15:05:29 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public

Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make records public



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