SPARQL Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 12 January 2010

Seen
Alexandre Passant, Andy Seaborne, Axel Polleres, Birte Glimm, Chimezie Ogbuji, David Charboneau, Gregory Williams, Ivan Herman, Lee Feigenbaum, Luke Wilson-Mawer, Matthew Perry, Olivier Corby, Orri Erling, Paul Gearon, Prateek Jain, Souripriya Das
Regrets
Lee Feigenbaum
Scribe
David Charboneau
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-01-05 link
  2. publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/ link
  3. publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/service-description-1.1/ as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-service-description/ link
  4. publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/property-paths/Overview.xml as FPWD under http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-property-paths/ link
  5. Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/entailment/xmlspec.xml as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-entailment/ modulo agreement between Birte and Axel on Editor's note regarding inconsistency link
  6. publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-http-rdf-update/ link
  7. Close ISSUE-45 with the understanding that nesting of updates inside queries is not allowed. link
  8. Close ISSUE-24 with the understanding moving is possible with the DELETE/INSERT construct in the current SPARQL1.1/Update WD. link
Topics
14:57:46 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/01/12-sparql-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/01/12-sparql-irc

14:58:07 <AxelPolleres> trackbot, start meeting

Axel Polleres: trackbot, start meeting

14:58:07 <AxelPolleres> Regrets: LeeF
14:58:10 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs world

14:58:12 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be 77277

14:58:12 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes

14:58:13 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
14:58:13 <trackbot> Date: 12 January 2010
14:59:19 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:59:19 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, AxelPolleres

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has not yet started, AxelPolleres

14:59:21 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, bglimm, OlivierCorby, LukeWM, LeeF, AndyS, dcharbon2, iv_an_ru, AlexPassant, karl, pgearon, kasei, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, bglimm, OlivierCorby, LukeWM, LeeF, AndyS, dcharbon2, iv_an_ru, AlexPassant, karl, pgearon, kasei, trackbot, sandro

15:00:00 <AndyS> zakim, this will be sparql

Andy Seaborne: zakim, this will be sparql

15:00:05 <Zakim> ok, AndyS, I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM already started

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, AndyS, I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM already started

15:00:11 <Zakim> +Souri

Zakim IRC Bot: +Souri

15:00:13 <Zakim> +??P2

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2

15:00:14 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone

Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is on the phone

15:00:21 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the phone', AndyS

15:00:41 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?

Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is on the phone?

15:00:41 <Zakim> +kasei

Zakim IRC Bot: +kasei

15:00:41 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:00:43 <Zakim> +bglimm

Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm

15:00:44 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

15:00:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2, ??P17, Souri, ??P2, kasei, bglimm

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2, ??P17, Souri, ??P2, kasei, bglimm

15:00:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2, ??P17, Souri, ??P2, kasei, bglimm

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2, ??P17, Souri, ??P2, kasei, bglimm

15:00:51 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted

15:00:52 <LukeWM> zakim, ??P2 is LukeWM

Luke Wilson-Mawer: zakim, ??P2 is LukeWM

15:00:55 <AndyS> zakim, ??P17 is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P17 is me

15:01:01 <Zakim> +pgearon

Zakim IRC Bot: +pgearon

15:01:05 <dcharbon2> zakim, mute me

David Charboneau: zakim, mute me

15:01:07 <Zakim> +LukeWM; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +LukeWM; got it

15:01:13 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it

15:01:21 <Zakim> dcharbon2 should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: dcharbon2 should now be muted

15:01:42 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:01:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2 (muted), AndyS, Souri, LukeWM, kasei, bglimm (muted), pgearon

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2 (muted), AndyS, Souri, LukeWM, kasei, bglimm (muted), pgearon

15:02:37 <LeeF> Regrets+ LeeF

Lee Feigenbaum: Regrets+ LeeF

15:03:01 <Zakim> +IvanH

Zakim IRC Bot: +IvanH

15:03:05 <LeeF> I support publication of all of our documents as Working Drafts, as long as editors are happy with them.

Lee Feigenbaum: I support publication of all of our documents as Working Drafts, as long as editors are happy with them.

15:03:36 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, mute ivanh

Axel Polleres: Zakim, mute ivanh

15:03:39 <Zakim> Ivanh should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivanh should now be muted

15:03:41 <ivanh> is it better now?

Ivan Herman: is it better now?

15:03:56 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-01-12

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-01-12

15:04:20 <dcharbon2> Scribe: dcharbon2

(Scribe set to David Charboneau)

15:04:46 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-01-05

PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-01-05

15:05:00 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-01-05

RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-01-05

15:05:22 <AxelPolleres> Next meeting: 2010-01-19 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST

Axel Polleres: Next meeting: 2010-01-19 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST

15:05:27 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: should be 19th, not 17th for meeting

Axel Polleres: should be 19th, not 17th for meeting

15:05:45 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Should have comments handling in the end, anything to report from liasons?

Axel Polleres: Should have comments handling in the end, anything to report from liasons?

15:05:46 <AxelPolleres> topic: liaisons

1. liaisons

15:05:59 <AxelPolleres> nothing to report, it seems

Axel Polleres: nothing to report, it seems

15:05:59 <AxelPolleres> topic: reviews and publications

2. reviews and publications

15:06:13 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: move to document reviews, sparql queries

Axel Polleres: move to document reviews, sparql queries

15:06:16 <chimezie> Zakim, passcode?

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, passcode?

15:06:24 <bglimm> yes

Birte Glimm: yes

15:06:27 <Zakim> the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), chimezie

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), chimezie

15:06:27 <chimezie> Zakim, what is the passcode?

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, what is the passcode?

15:06:39 <Zakim> the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), chimezie

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), chimezie

15:06:50 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: have comments been addressed in queries?

Axel Polleres: have comments been addressed in queries?

15:07:01 <dcharbon2> zakim, who is talking?

zakim, who is talking?

15:07:09 <Zakim> +??P3

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3

15:07:11 <AlexPassant> Zakim, ?P3 is me

Alexandre Passant: Zakim, ?P3 is me

15:07:14 <AlexPassant> Zakim, ??P3 is me

Alexandre Passant: Zakim, ??P3 is me

15:07:18 <Zakim> sorry, AlexPassant, I do not recognize a party named '?P3'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, AlexPassant, I do not recognize a party named '?P3'

15:07:19 <Zakim> dcharbon2, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AxelPolleres (4%), AndyS (35%), Souri (49%)

Zakim IRC Bot: dcharbon2, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AxelPolleres (4%), AndyS (35%), Souri (49%)

15:07:24 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexPassant; got it

15:07:31 <dcharbon2> Souri: yes, my comments have been addressed

Souripriya Das: yes, my comments have been addressed

15:07:36 <Zakim> + +1.216.636.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.216.636.aaaa

15:07:39 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: any other comments?

Axel Polleres: any other comments?

15:07:54 <chimezie> Zakim, +1.216.636.aaaa is me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, +1.216.636.aaaa is me

15:07:54 <Zakim> +chimezie; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +chimezie; got it

15:07:56 <Zakim> +??P6

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6

15:08:00 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/

PROPOSED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/

15:08:02 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Andy, any more comments?

Axel Polleres: Andy, any more comments?

15:08:11 <dcharbon2> AndyS: I think I've processed everything

Andy Seaborne: I think I've processed everything

15:08:11 <ivanh> yes

Ivan Herman: yes

15:08:26 <dcharbon2> +1

+1

15:08:26 <chimezie> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:08:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2 (muted), AndyS, Souri, LukeWM, kasei, bglimm (muted), pgearon, IvanH (muted), AlexPassant, chimezie, ??P6

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2 (muted), AndyS, Souri, LukeWM, kasei, bglimm (muted), pgearon, IvanH (muted), AlexPassant, chimezie, ??P6

15:08:34 <ivanh> +1 (W3C)

Ivan Herman: +1 (W3C)

15:08:35 <kasei> +1 (RPI)

Gregory Williams: +1 (RPI)

15:08:38 <bglimm> +1 (Oxford)

Birte Glimm: +1 (Oxford)

15:08:39 <dcharbon2> +1 (IBM)

+1 (IBM)

15:08:40 <chimezie> +1 (CCF)

Chimezie Ogbuji: +1 (CCF)

15:08:41 <AlexPassant> +1 (DERI, NUIG)

Alexandre Passant: +1 (DERI, NUIG)

15:08:42 <AndyS> +1 (Talis)

Andy Seaborne: +1 (Talis)

15:08:46 <OlivierCorby> +1

Olivier Corby: +1

15:08:47 <Souri> +1 (Oracle)

Souripriya Das: +1 (Oracle)

15:08:56 <LukeWM> +1 (Garlik) - on Steve's behalf

Luke Wilson-Mawer: +1 (Garlik) - on Steve's behalf

15:09:09 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/

RESOLVED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/

15:09:18 <Souri> +1 (Oracle) - on Matt's behalf

Souripriya Das: +1 (Oracle) - on Matt's behalf

15:09:28 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Next one is services description document

Axel Polleres: Next one is services description document

15:09:55 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Does Alex or other reviewers have more comments?

Axel Polleres: Does Alex or other reviewers have more comments?

15:10:12 <dcharbon2> AlexPassant: I am ok with the comments and changes

Alexandre Passant: I am ok with the comments and changes

15:10:29 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/service-description-1.1/ as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-service-description/

PROPOSED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/service-description-1.1/ as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-service-description/

15:10:33 <Zakim> +??P37

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P37

15:10:36 <ivanh> +1 (W3C)

Ivan Herman: +1 (W3C)

15:10:37 <AlexPassant> +1 (DERI, NUIG)

Alexandre Passant: +1 (DERI, NUIG)

15:10:38 <kasei> +1 (RPI)

Gregory Williams: +1 (RPI)

15:10:39 <AndyS> +1 (Talis)

Andy Seaborne: +1 (Talis)

15:10:44 <bglimm> +1 (Oxford)

Birte Glimm: +1 (Oxford)

15:10:44 <dcharbon2> +1 (IBM)

+1 (IBM)

15:10:46 <OlivierCorby> +1

Olivier Corby: +1

15:11:06 <Souri> 0

Souripriya Das: 0

15:11:13 <Souri> 0

Souripriya Das: 0

15:11:19 <ivanh> zakim, ??P37 is Orri

Ivan Herman: zakim, ??P37 is Orri

15:11:19 <Zakim> +Orri; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Orri; got it

15:11:27 <AxelPolleres> +1 (on behalf of OpenLink, Orri)

Axel Polleres: +1 (on behalf of OpenLink, Orri)

15:11:43 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Why does Souri abstain?

Axel Polleres: Why does Souri abstain?

15:11:43 <dcharbon2> ... any problem with abstentions, ivanh?

... any problem with abstentions, ivanh?

15:12:02 <ivanh> no

Ivan Herman: no

15:12:03 <dcharbon2> Souri: I didn't get to read it fully, so I am not sure.

Souripriya Das: I didn't get to read it fully, so I am not sure.

15:12:05 <ivanh> fair enough

Ivan Herman: fair enough

15:12:19 <ivanh> important is that there is no objection

Ivan Herman: important is that there is no objection

15:12:22 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/service-description-1.1/ as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-service-description/

RESOLVED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/service-description-1.1/ as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-service-description/

15:12:28 <pgearon> I have not had a chance to read either document either, so am also unsure

Paul Gearon: I have not had a chance to read either document either, so am also unsure

15:12:33 <pgearon> but am happy to publish

Paul Gearon: but am happy to publish

15:12:41 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: next up is update document, where there was still some ongoing discussion

Axel Polleres: next up is update document, where there was still some ongoing discussion

15:13:29 <dcharbon2> pgearon: Yes, there was still discussion around delete and such

Paul Gearon: Yes, there was still discussion around delete and such

15:13:55 <dcharbon2> pgearon: Outstanding issues are ok where they are, was more concerned with things getting resolved

Paul Gearon: Outstanding issues are ok where they are, was more concerned with things getting resolved

15:14:02 <LukeWM> I haven't read the document thoroughly either, but I'm not going to object.

Luke Wilson-Mawer: I haven't read the document thoroughly either, but I'm not going to object.

15:14:05 <dcharbon2> pgearon: Still some syntax issues, like delete shortcut

Paul Gearon: Still some syntax issues, like delete shortcut

15:14:17 <dcharbon2> pgearon: Some ambiguities still under discussion

Paul Gearon: Some ambiguities still under discussion

15:14:34 <Zakim> +Satya

Zakim IRC Bot: +Satya

15:14:35 <dcharbon2> pgearon: would like to see a resolution of some of these discussions before going to publish

Paul Gearon: would like to see a resolution of some of these discussions before going to publish

15:14:43 <Prateek> Zakim,Satya is Prateek

Prateek Jain: Zakim,Satya is Prateek

15:14:43 <Zakim> +Prateek; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Prateek; got it

15:14:58 <LeeF> The latest ambiguity that Andy highlighted scared me a lot! (similar-looking DELETE and DELETE DATA doing different things)

Lee Feigenbaum: The latest ambiguity that Andy highlighted scared me a lot! (similar-looking DELETE and DELETE DATA doing different things)

15:15:11 <Souri> zakim, who's on the phone

Souripriya Das: zakim, who's on the phone

15:15:11 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's on the phone', Souri

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who's on the phone', Souri

15:15:27 <dcharbon2> pgearon: Liked latest discussion around Delete

Paul Gearon: Liked latest discussion around Delete

15:15:37 <dcharbon2> pgearon: would prefer some of what has been discussed

Paul Gearon: would prefer some of what has been discussed

15:16:07 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: wanted to make sure that the list and document were representative

Axel Polleres: wanted to make sure that the list and document were representative

15:16:47 <dcharbon2> pgearon: still of two minds on how to resolve the issue, whether to take discussion into document or go forward with what is in place now

Paul Gearon: still of two minds on how to resolve the issue, whether to take discussion into document or go forward with what is in place now

15:17:03 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: should we come back to this next week? Would that be better?

Axel Polleres: should we come back to this next week? Would that be better?

15:17:20 <Souri> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Souripriya Das: Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:17:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2 (muted), AndyS, Souri, LukeWM, kasei, bglimm (muted), pgearon, IvanH (muted), AlexPassant, chimezie, ??P6, Orri, Prateek

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2 (muted), AndyS, Souri, LukeWM, kasei, bglimm (muted), pgearon, IvanH (muted), AlexPassant, chimezie, ??P6, Orri, Prateek

15:17:20 <dcharbon2> pgearon: That sounds good, if we can get the quick turnaround

Paul Gearon: That sounds good, if we can get the quick turnaround

15:17:42 <AndyS> Please link CVS log to email log for comments (CVS log accepts HTML markup)

Andy Seaborne: Please link CVS log to email log for comments (CVS log accepts HTML markup)

15:17:49 <LukeWM> q+

Luke Wilson-Mawer: q+

15:17:49 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Next week should be fine for deciding on publish for this document. Just be sure that there is an editor's note regarding the ongoing discussion

Axel Polleres: Next week should be fine for deciding on publish for this document. Just be sure that there is an editor's note regarding the ongoing discussion

15:17:56 <Souri> zakim, ??p6 is Matt

Souripriya Das: zakim, ??p6 is Matt

15:17:56 <Zakim> +Matt; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Matt; got it

15:18:26 <dcharbon2> ??: It would be good to postpone to next week for Steve

??: It would be good to postpone to next week for Steve

15:18:37 <LukeWM> it was me dcharbon2

Luke Wilson-Mawer: it was me dcharbon2

15:18:49 <dcharbon2> pgearon: Steve has been active in the discussion

Paul Gearon: Steve has been active in the discussion

15:18:50 <ivanh> s/??/LukeWM/

Ivan Herman: s/??/LukeWM/

15:19:08 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Let's vote on it next week then

Axel Polleres: Let's vote on it next week then

15:19:18 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Paul to make proposal to resolve current state of discussion on UPDATE in editor's notes and find approval by reviewers on email

ACTION: Paul to make proposal to resolve current state of discussion on UPDATE in editor's notes and find approval by reviewers on email

15:19:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-180 - Make proposal to resolve current state of discussion on UPDATE in editor's notes and find approval by reviewers on email [on Paul Gearon - due 2010-01-19].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-180 - Make proposal to resolve current state of discussion on UPDATE in editor's notes and find approval by reviewers on email [on Paul Gearon - due 2010-01-19].

15:19:21 <dcharbon2> pgearon: I'll email the list when I've updated the document

Paul Gearon: I'll email the list when I've updated the document

15:19:37 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q?

15:19:44 <LukeWM> zakim, ack me

Luke Wilson-Mawer: zakim, ack me

15:19:44 <Zakim> I see ??P2 on the speaker queue

Zakim IRC Bot: I see ??P2 on the speaker queue

15:19:44 <ivanh> ack LukeWM

Ivan Herman: ack LukeWM

15:19:45 <AxelPolleres> ack LukeWM

Axel Polleres: ack LukeWM

15:20:05 <ivanh> zakim, who is here?

Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here?

15:20:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2 (muted), AndyS, Souri, LukeWM, kasei, bglimm (muted), pgearon, IvanH (muted), AlexPassant, chimezie, Matt, Orri, Prateek

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see OlivierCorby, AxelPolleres, dcharbon2 (muted), AndyS, Souri, LukeWM, kasei, bglimm (muted), pgearon, IvanH (muted), AlexPassant, chimezie, Matt, Orri, Prateek

15:20:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see Prateek, chimezie, Souri, ivanh, Zakim, RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, bglimm, OlivierCorby, LukeWM, LeeF, AndyS, dcharbon2, iv_an_ru, AlexPassant, karl, pgearon, kasei,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Prateek, chimezie, Souri, ivanh, Zakim, RRSAgent, AxelPolleres, bglimm, OlivierCorby, LukeWM, LeeF, AndyS, dcharbon2, iv_an_ru, AlexPassant, karl, pgearon, kasei,

15:20:11 <LukeWM> zakim, ack ??P2

Luke Wilson-Mawer: zakim, ack ??P2

15:20:11 <Zakim> ... trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot, sandro

15:20:11 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue

Zakim IRC Bot: I see no one on the speaker queue

15:20:17 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: who is on the queue?

Axel Polleres: who is on the queue?

15:20:35 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Next document is property paths

Axel Polleres: Next document is property paths

15:20:47 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: There were some comments from Souri, before?

Axel Polleres: There were some comments from Souri, before?

15:21:16 <dcharbon2> Souri: There was a question of getting some more functionality, however, AndyS pointed out a previous straw poll rejecting that

Souripriya Das: There was a question of getting some more functionality, however, AndyS pointed out a previous straw poll rejecting that

15:21:28 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: It sounds like the comments have been addressed

Axel Polleres: It sounds like the comments have been addressed

15:21:44 <dcharbon2> AndyS: Some of the issues have been opened as issues, everything should be noted

Andy Seaborne: Some of the issues have been opened as issues, everything should be noted

15:22:34 <dcharbon2> AndyS: Would like to bring up a process issue for property paths, decided to publish with shortname. Will create a dangling document if property paths get merged into query specification. Will that cause a problem, can it be avoided?

Andy Seaborne: Would like to bring up a process issue for property paths, decided to publish with shortname. Will create a dangling document if property paths get merged into query specification. Will that cause a problem, can it be avoided?

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15:22:38 <ivanh> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:22:45 <ivanh> ack ivanh

Ivan Herman: ack ivanh

15:23:28 <dcharbon2> ivanh: to make things really nice, when we decide to merge the path into the query docuemnt, if we do decide that, we can put out a new version of the property paths document stating it has been discontinued and merged into the query document

Ivan Herman: to make things really nice, when we decide to merge the path into the query docuemnt, if we do decide that, we can put out a new version of the property paths document stating it has been discontinued and merged into the query document

15:23:37 <dcharbon2> AndyS: That would be excellent

Andy Seaborne: That would be excellent

15:24:03 <dcharbon2> ivanh: When the group is closed, the site is set up so certain docs can be marked as retired and won't be available

Ivan Herman: When the group is closed, the site is set up so certain docs can be marked as retired and won't be available

15:24:07 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/property-paths/Overview.xml as FPWD under http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-property-paths/

PROPOSED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/property-paths/Overview.xml as FPWD under http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-property-paths/

15:24:17 <AndyS> +1 (Talis)

Andy Seaborne: +1 (Talis)

15:24:18 <kasei> +1 (RPI)

Gregory Williams: +1 (RPI)

15:24:19 <ivanh> +1 (W3C)

Ivan Herman: +1 (W3C)

15:24:19 <AlexPassant> +1 (DERI, NUIG)

Alexandre Passant: +1 (DERI, NUIG)

15:24:22 <dcharbon2> +1 (IBM)

+1 (IBM)

15:24:24 <OlivierCorby> +1

Olivier Corby: +1

15:24:27 <Prateek> +1

Prateek Jain: +1

15:24:28 <Souri> +1 (Oracle) for both Souri and Matt

Souripriya Das: +1 (Oracle) for both Souri and Matt

15:24:32 <pgearon> +1

Paul Gearon: +1

15:24:36 <bglimm> 0 (Oxford) -- havn't read it,  but see no reasons not to publish

Birte Glimm: 0 (Oxford) -- havn't read it, but see no reasons not to publish

15:24:37 <chimezie> +1 (CCF)

Chimezie Ogbuji: +1 (CCF)

15:24:58 <Prateek> For Wright State University

Prateek Jain: For Wright State University

15:25:05 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/property-paths/Overview.xml as FPWD under http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-property-paths/

RESOLVED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/property-paths/Overview.xml as FPWD under http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-property-paths/

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15:25:23 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: get to the last document which is entailment, where there has been much work

Axel Polleres: get to the last document which is entailment, where there has been much work

15:25:52 <dcharbon2> bglimm: I think I addressed almost all comments. There is still one issue which means and editors note will be added

Birte Glimm: I think I addressed almost all comments. There is still one issue which means and editors note will be added

15:26:08 <dcharbon2> s/and editors/an editors/

s/and editors/an editors/

15:26:42 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Issue around consistent active graph -

Axel Polleres: Issue around consistent active graph -

15:27:02 <dcharbon2> bglimm: currently defined in a way that don't satisfy certain conditions

Birte Glimm: currently defined in a way that don't satisfy certain conditions

15:27:27 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Understood that the conditions weren't related when he read the draft

Axel Polleres: Understood that the conditions weren't related when he read the draft

15:27:28 <ivanh> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:27:40 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: suggest slight weakening of the editors note

Axel Polleres: suggest slight weakening of the editors note

15:28:00 <dcharbon2> ivanh: this should not be an obstacle for publishing?

Ivan Herman: this should not be an obstacle for publishing?

15:28:13 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: I think this should be fine, but editor's note suggests a problem

Axel Polleres: I think this should be fine, but editor's note suggests a problem

15:28:31 <dcharbon2> ivanh: open issues should not be a reason not to publish the entailment docuemnt

Ivan Herman: open issues should not be a reason not to publish the entailment docuemnt

15:28:49 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: can we propose to publish modulo pending change to editor's note?

Axel Polleres: can we propose to publish modulo pending change to editor's note?

15:28:52 <dcharbon2> ivanh: I think so

Ivan Herman: I think so

15:29:10 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/entailment/xmlspec.xml as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-entailment/ modulo agreement between Birte and Axel on Editor's note regarding inconsistency

PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/entailment/xmlspec.xml as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-entailment/ modulo agreement between Birte and Axel on Editor's note regarding inconsistency

15:29:25 <ivanh> +1 (W3C)

Ivan Herman: +1 (W3C)

15:29:27 <bglimm> +1 (Oxford)

Birte Glimm: +1 (Oxford)

15:29:29 <AndyS> +1 (Talis)

Andy Seaborne: +1 (Talis)

15:29:31 <dcharbon2> +1 (IBM)

+1 (IBM)

15:29:33 <kasei> +1 (RPI)

Gregory Williams: +1 (RPI)

15:29:35 <AlexPassant> +1 (DERI, NUIG)

Alexandre Passant: +1 (DERI, NUIG)

15:29:35 <OlivierCorby> +1 (INRIA)

Olivier Corby: +1 (INRIA)

15:29:39 <chimezie> +1 (CCF)

Chimezie Ogbuji: +1 (CCF)

15:29:40 <Prateek> +1 (Wright State University)

Prateek Jain: +1 (Wright State University)

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15:29:59 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/entailment/xmlspec.xml as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-entailment/ modulo agreement between Birte and Axel on Editor's note regarding inconsistency

RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/entailment/xmlspec.xml as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-entailment/ modulo agreement between Birte and Axel on Editor's note regarding inconsistency

15:30:22 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: congratulate and thank the editors for their hard work

Axel Polleres: congratulate and thank the editors for their hard work

15:30:33 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: have protocol and update pending

Axel Polleres: have protocol and update pending

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15:31:30 <AndyS> dcharbon2: Did Axel comments (LeeF) but pref to wait until next week

David Charboneau: Did Axel comments (LeeF) but pref to wait until next week [ Scribe Assist by Andy Seaborne ]

15:31:37 <dcharbon2> LeeF had incorporated AxelPolleres comments

LeeF had incorporated AxelPolleres comments

15:31:45 <AndyS> LukeWM: Agree - wait is good

Luke Wilson-Mawer: Agree - wait is good [ Scribe Assist by Andy Seaborne ]

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15:31:58 <dcharbon2> I proposed postponing to next week to incorporate LukeWM's comments

I proposed postponing to next week to incorporate LukeWM's comments

15:32:08 <dcharbon2> It was agreed

It was agreed

15:32:40 <dcharbon2> chimezie: Incorporating comments went well, unless AndyS has comments, thinks the specification is ready for publication

Chimezie Ogbuji: Incorporating comments went well, unless AndyS has comments, thinks the specification is ready for publication

15:32:54 <dcharbon2> AndyS: Yes, I'm happy for it to be published as a working draft

Andy Seaborne: Yes, I'm happy for it to be published as a working draft

15:32:55 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-http-rdf-update/

PROPOSED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-http-rdf-update/

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15:33:07 <AndyS> +1 (Talis)

Andy Seaborne: +1 (Talis)

15:33:16 <kasei> +1 (RPI)

Gregory Williams: +1 (RPI)

15:33:16 <dcharbon2> +1 (IBM)

+1 (IBM)

15:33:24 <AlexPassant> +1 (DERI, NUIG)

Alexandre Passant: +1 (DERI, NUIG)

15:33:30 <OlivierCorby> 0, I have not read them

Olivier Corby: 0, I have not read them

15:33:38 <bglimm> 0 (Oxford) -- again not read the document, but I see no reasons not to publish

Birte Glimm: 0 (Oxford) -- again not read the document, but I see no reasons not to publish

15:33:46 <pgearon> +1

Paul Gearon: +1

15:33:47 <Prateek> +1 (Wright State University)

Prateek Jain: +1 (Wright State University)

15:33:50 <Souri> 0 (I need more careful reading, but would not want to hold it)

Souripriya Das: 0 (I need more careful reading, but would not want to hold it)

15:34:10 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Some abstentions, no objections

Axel Polleres: Some abstentions, no objections

15:34:13 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-http-rdf-update/

RESOLVED: publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ as new version of http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-http-rdf-update/

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15:34:39 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Have two remaining votes for next week

Axel Polleres: Have two remaining votes for next week

15:34:49 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Time to go through the update issues

Axel Polleres: Time to go through the update issues

15:35:12 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JanMar/0133.html

Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JanMar/0133.html

15:35:12 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: made a small attempt to summarize the current open issues for update

Axel Polleres: made a small attempt to summarize the current open issues for update

15:35:30 <kasei> and typing

Gregory Williams: and typing

15:35:34 <chimezie> Axel you are cutting in and out

Chimezie Ogbuji: Axel you are cutting in and out

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15:35:41 <AndyS> Can we discuss having a new overview doc?

Andy Seaborne: Can we discuss having a new overview doc?

15:36:10 <AlexPassant> AndyS: do you mean updating the F&R ?

Andy Seaborne: do you mean updating the F&R ? [ Scribe Assist by Alexandre Passant ]

15:05:59 <AxelPolleres> topic: Update issues

3. Update issues

15:36:17 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: link is a summary of the issues AndyS and Paul had brought up

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Axel Polleres: link is a summary of the issues AndyS and Paul had brought up

15:36:35 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: There were several open issues, first is actually a closed issue that seems to have been forgotten

Axel Polleres: There were several open issues, first is actually a closed issue that seems to have been forgotten

15:36:56 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: There was some late unhappiness with the wording of the resolution

Axel Polleres: There was some late unhappiness with the wording of the resolution

15:37:01 <AndyS> No - a summary /guide to the spec we produce.  Came up in update discussion.

Andy Seaborne: No - a summary /guide to the spec we produce. Came up in update discussion.

15:37:02 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/27

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/27

15:38:05 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Issue 27 is about substituting in updates, had been closed, but concerns about wording in resolution

Axel Polleres: ISSUE-27 is about substituting in updates, had been closed, but concerns about wording in resolution

15:38:31 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Resolution had been passed at face2face 2

Axel Polleres: Resolution had been passed at face2face 2

15:38:49 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Are there any objects to just allowing sparql 1.1 where clauses (straw poll)

Axel Polleres: Are there any objects to just allowing sparql 1.1 where clauses (straw poll)

15:39:00 <dcharbon2> s/objects/objections/

s/objects/objections/

15:39:00 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q?

15:39:01 <AndyS> No objection here

Andy Seaborne: No objection here

15:39:02 <ivanh> not exactly:-(

Ivan Herman: not exactly:-(

15:39:04 <ivanh> ack ivan

Ivan Herman: ack ivan

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15:39:13 <ivanh> yes

Ivan Herman: yes

15:39:18 <chimezie> I'm not 100% clear either

Chimezie Ogbuji: I'm not 100% clear either

15:39:23 <bglimm> me either

Birte Glimm: me either

15:39:51 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: said we would close this issue that where clauses in update would allow all sparql 1.0, but would mark sparql 1.1 additions as at risk

Axel Polleres: said we would close this issue that where clauses in update would allow all sparql 1.0, but would mark sparql 1.1 additions as at risk

15:40:04 <ivanh> including property paths?

Ivan Herman: including property paths?

15:40:19 <ivanh> yes

Ivan Herman: yes

15:40:23 <bglimm> yes

Birte Glimm: yes

15:40:23 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: suggesting, passing resolution allowing sparql 1.1 where clauses in updates after comments from AndyS and paul

Axel Polleres: suggesting, passing resolution allowing sparql 1.1 where clauses in updates after comments from AndyS and paul

15:40:59 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: If we psas this resolution, property paths would be allowed in update

Axel Polleres: If we psas this resolution, property paths would be allowed in update

15:41:10 <dcharbon2> s/psas/pass

s/psas/pass

15:41:37 <AxelPolleres> Strawpoll: any objections to allow full SPARQL1.1/Query WHERE clauses for update WHERE clauses?

STRAWPOLL: any objections to allow full SPARQL1.1/Query WHERE clauses for update WHERE clauses?

15:42:02 <AxelPolleres> Strawpoll: shall we allow full SPARQL1.1/Query WHERE clauses for update WHERE clauses?

STRAWPOLL: shall we allow full SPARQL1.1/Query WHERE clauses for update WHERE clauses?

15:42:07 <ivanh> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

15:42:11 <dcharbon2> +1

+1

15:42:12 <AndyS> yes +1

Andy Seaborne: yes +1

15:42:15 <ivanh> +1 for Orri

Ivan Herman: +1 for Orri

15:42:18 <pgearon> +1

Paul Gearon: +1

15:42:18 <MattPerry> +1

Matthew Perry: +1

15:42:19 <Souri> +1

Souripriya Das: +1

15:42:21 <chimezie> 0 (I'm cautious about allowing at the outset that amount of expressiveness in the update language)

Chimezie Ogbuji: 0 (I'm cautious about allowing at the outset that amount of expressiveness in the update language)

15:42:21 <bglimm> +1

Birte Glimm: +1

15:42:21 <Prateek> +1

Prateek Jain: +1

15:42:23 <chimezie> but will go with group

Chimezie Ogbuji: but will go with group

15:42:26 <kasei> +1

Gregory Williams: +1

15:42:31 <AxelPolleres> +1

Axel Polleres: +1

15:42:48 <LukeWM> 0

Luke Wilson-Mawer: 0

15:42:58 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Chimezie, can you elaborate your concerns?

Axel Polleres: Chimezie, can you elaborate your concerns?

15:43:05 <OlivierCorby> +1

Olivier Corby: +1

15:43:49 <dcharbon2> chimezie: this would allow all constructs from 1.1 and there are some constructs that aren't fully settled. Understand using feedback to determine what to not allow in these where clauses in the update language.

Chimezie Ogbuji: this would allow all constructs from 1.1 and there are some constructs that aren't fully settled. Understand using feedback to determine what to not allow in these where clauses in the update language.

15:44:32 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: chair hat off, need full sparql query processor for update where clause if we don't allow sparql 1.1 (to deal with sparql query 1.0)

Axel Polleres: chair hat off, need full sparql query processor for update where clause if we don't allow sparql 1.1 (to deal with sparql query 1.0)

15:45:05 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Don't see where this resolution would introduce problems

Axel Polleres: Don't see where this resolution would introduce problems

15:45:16 <AndyS> There may well be incomplete impls of update - but there are of SPARQL 1.0 Query today.

Andy Seaborne: There may well be incomplete impls of update - but there are of SPARQL 1.0 Query today.

15:45:18 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: if we restrict it, we could restrict it in terms of profiles

Axel Polleres: if we restrict it, we could restrict it in terms of profiles

15:45:53 <dcharbon2> chimezie: I can see that it will be less of an issue. Wanted to clarify process for resolving an issues discovered down the road.

Chimezie Ogbuji: I can see that it will be less of an issue. Wanted to clarify process for resolving an issues discovered down the road.

15:46:11 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: LukeWM, any comments for regarding your abstention?

Axel Polleres: LukeWM, any comments for regarding your abstention?

15:46:28 <dcharbon2> LukeWM: Not really, I'm not familiar with all of the issues

Luke Wilson-Mawer: Not really, I'm not familiar with all of the issues

15:46:47 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Maybe we shouldn't pass this resolution today

Axel Polleres: Maybe we shouldn't pass this resolution today

15:47:06 <dcharbon2> LukeWM: Thinks LeeF may have been involved in the original resolution

Luke Wilson-Mawer: Thinks LeeF may have been involved in the original resolution

15:47:18 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: yes, everyone at f2f 2 had been a part of it.

Axel Polleres: yes, everyone at f2f 2 had been a part of it.

15:47:36 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: we have a resolution, we could close the issue. However, we could propose this new resolution next week

Axel Polleres: we have a resolution, we could close the issue. However, we could propose this new resolution next week

15:47:49 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: will take this to email and suggest this for resolution next time

Axel Polleres: will take this to email and suggest this for resolution next time

15:47:51 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel will take this on email and suggest the resolution for next TC.

ACTION: axel will take this on email and suggest the resolution for next TC.

15:47:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-181 - Will take this on email and suggest the resolution for next TC. [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-01-19].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-181 - Will take this on email and suggest the resolution for next TC. [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-01-19].

15:48:13 <AxelPolleres> Close ISSUE-27 by resolution of F2F2

Axel Polleres: Close ISSUE-27 by resolution of F2F2

15:48:56 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: next issue was issue-45, insert and delete update to be nested inside select queries. Andy and Paul were heavily objec ting

Axel Polleres: next issue was ISSUE-45, insert and delete update to be nested inside select queries. Andy and Paul were heavily objec ting

15:49:22 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: I agree. Would propose to close with it's not allowed

Axel Polleres: I agree. Would propose to close with it's not allowed

15:49:24 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-45 with the understanding that nesting of updates is not allowed.

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-45 with the understanding that nesting of updates is not allowed.

15:49:30 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Any objections?

Axel Polleres: Any objections?

15:49:32 <pgearon> +1

Paul Gearon: +1

15:49:33 <AxelPolleres> +1 for Orri

Axel Polleres: +1 for Orri

15:49:42 <AxelPolleres> +1

Axel Polleres: +1

15:49:44 <chimezie> +1

Chimezie Ogbuji: +1

15:49:47 <bglimm> +1

Birte Glimm: +1

15:49:53 <AlexPassant> +1

Alexandre Passant: +1

15:49:59 <MattPerry> +1

Matthew Perry: +1

15:50:21 <dcharbon2> AndyS: wording of the proposal is a bit loose, issue is the nesting of update inside queries

Andy Seaborne: wording of the proposal is a bit loose, issue is the nesting of update inside queries

15:50:23 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-45 with the understanding that nesting of updates inside  queries is not allowed.

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-45 with the understanding that nesting of updates inside queries is not allowed.

15:50:32 <AxelPolleres> +1

Axel Polleres: +1

15:50:33 <AndyS> +1

Andy Seaborne: +1

15:50:34 <kasei> +1

Gregory Williams: +1

15:50:37 <dcharbon2> +1

+1

15:50:37 <Souri> +1

Souripriya Das: +1

15:50:39 <bglimm> +1

Birte Glimm: +1

15:50:39 <pgearon> +!

Paul Gearon: +!

15:50:42 <pgearon> +1

Paul Gearon: +1

15:50:52 <LukeWM> +1

Luke Wilson-Mawer: +1

15:50:56 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-45 with the understanding that nesting of updates inside  queries is not allowed.

RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-45 with the understanding that nesting of updates inside queries is not allowed.

15:51:11 <AxelPolleres> close ISSUE-45 with the understanding that nesting of updates inside  queries is not allowed

Axel Polleres: close ISSUE-45 with the understanding that nesting of updates inside queries is not allowed

15:51:25 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: the next issue on the list is ISSUE-24:

Axel Polleres: the next issue on the list is ISSUE-24:

15:51:37 <dcharbon2>  ... Can data be SELECTed from one graph and INSERTed into another (moved)

... Can data be SELECTed from one graph and INSERTed into another (moved)

15:51:37 <trackbot> ISSUE-24 Move data between graphs (select on one graph and insert into another... copy from/to) notes added

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-24 Move data between graphs (select on one graph and insert into another... copy from/to) notes added

15:52:13 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: In current working draft this is possible

Axel Polleres: In current working draft this is possible

15:52:16 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-24 with the understanding moving is possible with the DELETE/INSERT construct in the

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-24 with the understanding moving is possible with the DELETE/INSERT construct in the

15:52:16 <AxelPolleres> current SPARQL1.1/Update WD.

Axel Polleres: current SPARQL1.1/Update WD.

15:52:55 <dcharbon2> +1

+1

15:52:55 <pgearon> +1

Paul Gearon: +1

15:52:59 <AndyS> 0

Andy Seaborne: 0

15:53:10 <AlexPassant> +1

Alexandre Passant: +1

15:53:21 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Closing or wording that you're objecting to?

Axel Polleres: Closing or wording that you're objecting to?

15:53:33 <OlivierCorby> +1

Olivier Corby: +1

15:53:44 <dcharbon2> AndyS: worried that we haven't provided a way to perform a common operation

Andy Seaborne: worried that we haven't provided a way to perform a common operation

15:54:15 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: isn't this the same as issue that we may need more sophisticated update operations?

Axel Polleres: isn't this the same as issue that we may need more sophisticated update operations?

15:54:19 <dcharbon2> AndyS: yes, the two overlap

Andy Seaborne: yes, the two overlap

15:54:23 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-24 with the understanding moving is possible with the DELETE/INSERT construct in the current SPARQL1.1/Update WD.

RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-24 with the understanding moving is possible with the DELETE/INSERT construct in the current SPARQL1.1/Update WD.

15:54:35 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Since you abstained and issue-21 is open, can we resolve?

Axel Polleres: Since you abstained and ISSUE-21 is open, can we resolve?

15:54:39 <dcharbon2> AndyS: yes, I think so

Andy Seaborne: yes, I think so

15:55:04 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: other issues are 28, 37, 38 please bring to email

Axel Polleres: other issues are 28, 37, 38 please bring to email

15:55:18 <AndyS> Issue 21 is closed

Andy Seaborne: ISSUE-21 is closed

15:55:22 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: there was some discussion around issue-20, need to return to it

Axel Polleres: there was some discussion around ISSUE-20, need to return to it

15:55:48 <pgearon> I thought issue 38 was worth talking about now. There doesn't seem to be controversy around it

Paul Gearon: I thought ISSUE-38 was worth talking about now. There doesn't seem to be controversy around it

15:56:02 <dcharbon2> I see it as closed too

I see it as closed too

15:56:18 <dcharbon2> May 7, 2009

May 7, 2009

15:56:41 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Was closed because there were no concrete proposals for that round

Axel Polleres: Was closed because there were no concrete proposals for that round

15:57:01 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: if there are no concrete proposals, rather leave things out in that round

Axel Polleres: if there are no concrete proposals, rather leave things out in that round

15:58:10 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Paul, you want to talk more about issue 38?

Axel Polleres: Paul, you want to talk more about ISSUE-38?

15:58:26 <dcharbon2> pgearon: Yes, this is about a standard pattern matching feature in a where clause

Paul Gearon: Yes, this is about a standard pattern matching feature in a where clause

15:58:43 <dcharbon2> pgearon: left it open to be sure that there aren't issues I'm not aware of

Paul Gearon: left it open to be sure that there aren't issues I'm not aware of

15:59:06 <dcharbon2> pgearon: make sure everyone else agrees with it's just standard pattern matching

Paul Gearon: make sure everyone else agrees with it's just standard pattern matching

15:59:20 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres:

Axel Polleres:

15:59:34 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Would be at risk by current definition of issue-27

Axel Polleres: Would be at risk by current definition of ISSUE-27

16:00:11 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: not sure we can pass a resolution on issue-38 now, is covered by the resolution of issue-24 perhaps?

Axel Polleres: not sure we can pass a resolution on ISSUE-38 now, is covered by the resolution of ISSUE-24 perhaps?

16:00:24 <kasei> Before we finish, LeeF asked me to bring up test cases: "we need test cases, what should we do?"

Gregory Williams: Before we finish, LeeF asked me to bring up test cases: "we need test cases, what should we do?"

16:00:27 <kasei> Just something to think about.

Gregory Williams: Just something to think about.

16:00:27 <ivanh> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

16:00:30 <dcharbon2> AxelPolleres: Suggest to run that through email

Axel Polleres: Suggest to run that through email

16:00:41 <ivanh> greg

Ivan Herman: greg

16:00:47 <ivanh> zakim, unmute me

Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute me

16:00:47 <Zakim> IvanH was not muted, ivanh

Zakim IRC Bot: IvanH was not muted, ivanh

16:00:58 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to summarise status of update issues per email

ACTION: Axel to summarise status of update issues per email

16:00:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-182 - Summarise status of update issues per email [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-01-19].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-182 - Summarise status of update issues per email [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-01-19].

16:01:21 <dcharbon2> ivanh: Lee sent out an email about who might be at semtech. Please answer, we might propose to have a panel as we did previously

Ivan Herman: Lee sent out an email about who might be at semtech. Please answer, we might propose to have a panel as we did previously

16:01:33 <dcharbon2> ivanh: need to know if there will be enough people to do that

Ivan Herman: need to know if there will be enough people to do that

16:02:01 <dcharbon2> kasei: Talking with LeeF, about test cases. Need to start thinking about that and perhaps cover in a future call?

Gregory Williams: Talking with LeeF, about test cases. Need to start thinking about that and perhaps cover in a future call?

16:02:08 <AndyS> +1 to starting to gather test cases

Andy Seaborne: +1 to starting to gather test cases

16:02:16 <kasei> yes, thanks ivanh.

Gregory Williams: yes, thanks ivanh.

16:02:33 <ivanh> bye everybody

Ivan Herman: bye everybody

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16:02:35 <bglimm> bye

Birte Glimm: bye

16:02:37 <ivanh> zakim, drop me

Ivan Herman: zakim, drop me

16:02:37 <Zakim> IvanH is being disconnected

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16:02:40 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres

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16:02:42 <AndyS> ADJOURNED

Andy Seaborne: ADJOURNED

16:02:42 <Zakim> -AlexPassant

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16:02:46 <Zakim> -Matt

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16:02:56 <Zakim> -OlivierCorby

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16:02:58 <Zakim> -AndyS

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16:03:37 <Zakim> -pgearon

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16:04:50 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public

Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make records public

16:13:25 <AxelPolleres> Summary for next time: We need to (1) resolve on publication for protocol and update, (2) we should talk about publishing process/schedule (probably just among team/chairs) (3) we should continue on the update issues, (4) we have discussion of comments open (some unresponded really old ones) (5) we have to talk about test cases (6) Andy raised the question of a new Overview document... thanks everybody!

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Axel Polleres: Summary for next time: We need to (1) resolve on publication for protocol and update, (2) we should talk about publishing process/schedule (probably just among team/chairs) (3) we should continue on the update issues, (4) we have discussion of comments open (some unresponded really old ones) (5) we have to talk about test cases (6) Andy raised the question of a new Overview document... thanks everybody!

16:13:44 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public

Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make records public



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