F2F3 will probably be March 25 & 26, 2010, to be fixed in a couple of days
<LeeF> Present: LeeF, Axel, AlexPassant, Andy, dcharbon2, Orri, Souri, mperry, Chimezie, kasei, tommik, ivanh, sandro, pgearon, bglimm
14:52:06 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
Trackbot IRC Bot: Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference ←
14:52:06 <trackbot> Date: 08 December 2009
14:52:11 <LeeF> zakim, this will be SPARQL
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, this will be SPARQL ←
14:58:43 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started
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15:02:18 <LeeF> Scribenick: leef
(Scribe set to Lee Feigenbaum)
15:02:18 <LeeF> Chair: Axel
15:07:47 <LeeF> Regrets: SteveH, LukeWM, Kjetilk, BirteG
15:04:41 <LeeF> topic: Introductions
15:05:17 <ivanh> welcome to souri and mperry!
Ivan Herman: welcome to souri and mperry! ←
15:05:23 <LeeF> Souri: I was involved in DAWG and some of the early SPARQL WG meetings and have now joined officially. We've followed the WG's progress, hoping to contribute
Souripriya Das: I was involved in DAWG and some of the early SPARQL WG meetings and have now joined officially. We've followed the WG's progress, hoping to contribute ←
15:05:36 <LeeF> mperry: Also from Oracle, joined about a year ago and work on SPARQL query answering in Oracle
Matthew Perry: Also from Oracle, joined about a year ago and work on SPARQL query answering in Oracle ←
15:05:44 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: Welcome!
Axel Polleres: Welcome! ←
15:06:10 <LeeF> topic: admin
15:06:02 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-11-24
PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-11-24 ←
15:06:22 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-11-24
RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-11-24 ←
15:06:32 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-12-01
PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-12-01 ←
15:06:51 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-12-01
RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-12-01 ←
15:06:52 <bglimm> I said I could not make it
Birte Glimm: I said I could not make it ←
15:07:03 <bglimm> but I am not in the regrets list
Birte Glimm: but I am not in the regrets list ←
15:07:29 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel to add birte to regrets in last time minutes
ACTION: axel to add birte to regrets in last time minutes ←
15:07:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-147 - Add birte to regrets in last time minutes [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-12-15].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-147 - Add birte to regrets in last time minutes [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-12-15]. ←
15:07:55 <LeeF> Next meeting is one week from now (Dec-15)
Next meeting is one week from now (Dec-15) ←
15:08:02 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: Do we want to have a meeting on the 22nd?
Axel Polleres: Do we want to have a meeting on the 22nd? ←
15:08:03 <ivanh> regrets for next week
Ivan Herman: regrets for next week ←
15:08:10 <LeeF> ... we want to publish next round of documents in mid-January
... we want to publish next round of documents in mid-January ←
15:08:27 <LeeF> ... might be good to have teleconference on 22nd as we're bringing documents into shape for internal review
... might be good to have teleconference on 22nd as we're bringing documents into shape for internal review ←
15:08:34 <ivanh> I am on vacations
Ivan Herman: I am on vacations ←
15:08:35 <LeeF> ... Who would NOT be able to join on the 22nd?
... Who would NOT be able to join on the 22nd? ←
15:08:39 <bglimm> I am not sure whether I can make it
Birte Glimm: I am not sure whether I can make it ←
15:08:39 <AlexPassant> Ill be away
Alexandre Passant: Ill be away ←
15:08:40 <AndyS> I can make a telecon on 22nd
Andy Seaborne: I can make a telecon on 22nd ←
15:08:46 <pgearon> I need to find out about school timetable
Paul Gearon: I need to find out about school timetable ←
15:08:49 <LeeF> I can make it
I can make it ←
15:08:50 <chimezie> i will be on vaccation
Chimezie Ogbuji: i will be on vaccation ←
15:09:02 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: Let's try to have one with whoever is around
Axel Polleres: Let's try to have one with whoever is around ←
15:09:02 <AndyS> sicne we're planning ... 29th? yes/no?
Andy Seaborne: sicne we're planning ... 29th? yes/no? ←
15:09:18 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: Suggest no teleconference on Dec 29
Axel Polleres: Suggest no teleconference on Dec 29 ←
15:09:30 <LeeF> ... resume on Jan 5
... resume on Jan 5 ←
15:09:38 <bglimm> 5th is ok
Birte Glimm: 5th is ok ←
15:09:38 <ivanh> agreed
Ivan Herman: agreed ←
15:09:41 <LeeF> ... ok?
... ok? ←
15:09:43 <pgearon> sure
Paul Gearon: sure ←
15:09:44 <AndyS> Fine by me.
Andy Seaborne: Fine by me. ←
15:09:44 <Souri> +1
Souripriya Das: +1 ←
15:09:45 <chimezie> ok
Chimezie Ogbuji: ok ←
15:09:46 <AlexPassant> +1
Alexandre Passant: +1 ←
15:09:47 <mperry> yes
Matthew Perry: yes ←
15:09:47 <LeeF> everyone: ok
everyone: ok ←
15:09:52 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me ←
15:09:52 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted ←
15:10:08 <LeeF> subtopic: F2F3
Summary: F2F3 will probably be March 25 & 26, 2010, to be fixed in a couple of days
15:10:14 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/F2F3
http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/F2F3 ←
15:10:31 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: Please fill in your availability for next face-to-face in March
Axel Polleres: Please fill in your availability for next face-to-face in March ←
15:10:48 <LeeF> ... plan is to have mid-March meeting with two sites (US and UK/Ireland)
... plan is to have mid-March meeting with two sites (US and UK/Ireland) ←
15:11:28 <LeeF> ... discussion among chairs about fixing the dates
... discussion among chairs about fixing the dates ←
15:11:39 <AndyS> Please do fix the date soon.
Andy Seaborne: Please do fix the date soon. ←
15:11:49 <LeeF> ... two slots under discussion
... two slots under discussion ←
15:11:52 <LeeF> ... 1) 15 & 16
... 1) 15 & 16 ←
15:12:01 <LeeF> ... 2) 25 & 26
... 2) 25 & 26 ←
15:12:22 <LeeF> ... any preferences?
... any preferences? ←
15:12:25 <pgearon> I can't make it on the 16th
Paul Gearon: I can't make it on the 16th ←
15:12:35 <Zakim> -Orri
Zakim IRC Bot: -Orri ←
15:13:05 <AndyS> Can make either - fixing the date is what is important for me.
Andy Seaborne: Can make either - fixing the date is what is important for me. ←
15:13:17 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: Can anyone not make the 25th and 26th?
Axel Polleres: Can anyone not make the 25th and 26th? ←
15:13:20 <LeeF> (silence)
(silence) ←
15:13:53 <Souri> 25th and 26th is fine with Matt and me
Souripriya Das: 25th and 26th is fine with Matt and me ←
15:14:23 <LeeF> sandro: let's give 48 hours for people to comment on 25th and 26th for face to face
Sandro Hawke: let's give 48 hours for people to comment on 25th and 26th for face to face ←
15:15:03 <Zakim> +??P35
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P35 ←
15:15:04 <AndyS> Please flip the coin on Oxford and Galway as well (IIRC Steve iffy for Galway)
Andy Seaborne: Please flip the coin on Oxford and Galway as well (IIRC Steve iffy for Galway) ←
15:15:07 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: F2F3 will probably be March 25 & 26, 2010, to be fixed in a couple of days
Axel Polleres: F2F3 will probably be March 25 & 26, 2010, to be fixed in a couple of days ←
15:15:19 <LeeF> summary: F2F3 will probably be March 25 & 26, 2010, to be fixed in a couple of days
15:15:22 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments ←
15:15:50 <LeeF> topic: comments
15:16:06 <kasei> I added a draft response to ldodds-sd-1 last night.
Gregory Williams: I added a draft response to ldodds-sd-1 last night. ←
15:16:29 <LeeF> LeeF: comments from Holger and Jeremy are still open
Lee Feigenbaum: comments from Holger and Jeremy are still open ←
15:16:53 <AndyS> AH-1 was sent to me directly so no reply needed.
Andy Seaborne: AH-1 was sent to me directly so no reply needed. ←
15:17:23 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: Please take a look at early comments and address if possible/relevant
Axel Polleres: Please take a look at early comments and address if possible/relevant ←
15:17:29 <LeeF> AndyS: No expectation of reply to AH-1
Andy Seaborne: No expectation of reply to AH-1 ←
15:18:40 <LeeF> topic: liaisons
15:18:45 <Zakim> + +1.919.332.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.919.332.aadd ←
15:18:47 <LeeF> Souri: RDB2RDF still doing presentations
Souripriya Das: RDB2RDF still doing presentations ←
15:19:01 <LeeF> ... nothing special to report
... nothing special to report ←
15:19:17 <LeeF> topic: Publications
15:19:27 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: How do we get to next round of publications?
Axel Polleres: How do we get to next round of publications? ←
15:19:45 <LeeF> ... 3 weeks in ago we talked about the heartbeat requirement (3 month publishing cycle), which puts us in mid-January
... 3 weeks in ago we talked about the heartbeat requirement (3 month publishing cycle), which puts us in mid-January ←
15:20:15 <LeeF> ... we will focus next week on getting documents stabilized
... we will focus next week on getting documents stabilized ←
15:20:30 <LeeF> ... Would like document editor's to summarize changes since FPWD in a change log
... Would like document editor's to summarize changes since FPWD in a change log ←
15:20:35 <LeeF> s/editor's/editors
s/editor's/editors ←
15:21:26 <LeeF> AndyS: We've integrated all of the new material with the old material
Andy Seaborne: We've integrated all of the new material with the old material ←
15:21:41 <LeeF> AndyS: Current lock is on formatting issues
Andy Seaborne: Current lock is on formatting issues ←
15:21:42 <LeeF> q+
q+ ←
15:22:58 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
15:23:02 <kasei> LeeF, sorry about that. that hand raising turned out to be more trouble than it was worth :)
Gregory Williams: LeeF, sorry about that. that hand raising turned out to be more trouble than it was worth :) ←
15:24:15 <AxelPolleres> high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD
Axel Polleres: high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD ←
15:24:23 <LeeF> LeeF: what I had in mind was a high-level summary of major changes since FPWD
Lee Feigenbaum: what I had in mind was a high-level summary of major changes since FPWD ←
15:24:31 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
15:24:44 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: AndyS to provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in Query 1.1
ACTION: AndyS to provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in Query 1.1 ←
15:24:44 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - AndyS
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - AndyS ←
15:24:53 <LeeF> ACTION: Andy to provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in Query 1.1
ACTION: Andy to provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in Query 1.1 ←
15:24:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-148 - Provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in Query 1.1 [on Andy Seaborne - due 2009-12-15].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-148 - Provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in Query 1.1 [on Andy Seaborne - due 2009-12-15]. ←
15:25:14 <LeeF> ACTION: Paul to provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in Update
ACTION: Paul to provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in Update ←
15:25:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-149 - Provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in Update [on Paul Gearon - due 2009-12-15].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-149 - Provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in Update [on Paul Gearon - due 2009-12-15]. ←
15:25:24 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone?
zakim, who's on the phone? ←
15:25:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, ivanh, kasei (muted), Axel, AlexPassant, tkoivula, LeeF, Souri, pgearon, mperry, bglimm (muted), Chimezie_Ogbuji (muted), ??P35, +1.919.332.aadd, Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AndyS, ivanh, kasei (muted), Axel, AlexPassant, tkoivula, LeeF, Souri, pgearon, mperry, bglimm (muted), Chimezie_Ogbuji (muted), ??P35, +1.919.332.aadd, Sandro ←
15:25:50 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: PaulG to provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in Update 1.1
ACTION: PaulG to provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in Update 1.1 ←
15:25:50 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - PaulG
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - PaulG ←
15:26:20 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: high level change logs by next Tuesday
Axel Polleres: high level change logs by next Tuesday ←
15:26:39 <LeeF> ... General plan is to have documents ready by Christmas, pick reviewers to review by early January, then publish
... General plan is to have documents ready by Christmas, pick reviewers to review by early January, then publish ←
15:26:54 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
15:27:00 <LeeF> ack me
ack me ←
15:27:48 <chimezie> i hear interference
Chimezie Ogbuji: i hear interference ←
15:28:07 <dcharbon2> sorry, in a noisy place
David Charboneau: sorry, in a noisy place ←
15:28:18 <LeeF> LeeF: Protocol is still in transition to David Charboneau as new editor, no change so far from FPWD
Lee Feigenbaum: Protocol is still in transition to David Charboneau as new editor, no change so far from FPWD ←
15:28:22 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←
15:28:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, ivanh, kasei (muted), Axel, AlexPassant, tkoivula, LeeF, Souri, pgearon, mperry, bglimm (muted), Chimezie_Ogbuji (muted), ??P35, +1.919.332.aadd, Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AndyS, ivanh, kasei (muted), Axel, AlexPassant, tkoivula, LeeF, Souri, pgearon, mperry, bglimm (muted), Chimezie_Ogbuji (muted), ??P35, +1.919.332.aadd, Sandro ←
15:28:34 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer?
Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, pointer? ←
15:28:34 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-sparql-irc#T15-28-34
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-sparql-irc#T15-28-34 ←
15:28:36 <kasei> Zakim, unmute me
Gregory Williams: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:28:36 <Zakim> kasei should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: kasei should no longer be muted ←
15:28:39 <dcharbon2> zakim, mute me
David Charboneau: zakim, mute me ←
15:28:39 <Zakim> sorry, dcharbon2, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, dcharbon2, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←
15:28:47 <LeeF> zakim, aadd is dcharbon2
zakim, aadd is dcharbon2 ←
15:28:47 <Zakim> +dcharbon2; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +dcharbon2; got it ←
15:28:49 <AxelPolleres> zakim, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:28:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, ivanh, kasei, Axel, AlexPassant, tkoivula, LeeF, Souri, pgearon, mperry, bglimm (muted), Chimezie_Ogbuji (muted), ??P35, dcharbon2, Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AndyS, ivanh, kasei, Axel, AlexPassant, tkoivula, LeeF, Souri, pgearon, mperry, bglimm (muted), Chimezie_Ogbuji (muted), ??P35, dcharbon2, Sandro ←
15:28:51 <LeeF> zakim, mute dcharbon2
zakim, mute dcharbon2 ←
15:28:52 <kasei> can you hear me?
Gregory Williams: can you hear me? ←
15:28:54 <Zakim> dcharbon2 should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: dcharbon2 should now be muted ←
15:28:58 <AlexPassant> no kasei
Alexandre Passant: no kasei ←
15:29:20 <LeeF> ACTION: David and Lee to synchronize on what can be done in protocol document before next WD publication
ACTION: David and Lee to synchronize on what can be done in protocol document before next WD publication ←
15:29:20 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - David
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - David ←
15:29:20 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. dcharbon2, dnewman2)
Trackbot IRC Bot: Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. dcharbon2, dnewman2) ←
15:29:24 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
15:29:33 <LeeF> ACTION: Greg to provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in Service Description
ACTION: Greg to provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in Service Description ←
15:29:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-150 - Provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in Service Description [on Gregory Williams - due 2009-12-15].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-150 - Provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in Service Description [on Gregory Williams - due 2009-12-15]. ←
15:29:53 <LeeF> AndyS: On service description - we talked about joint discussions with VoiD - are we taking that forward?
Andy Seaborne: On service description - we talked about joint discussions with VoiD - are we taking that forward? ←
15:29:56 <Zakim> -AlexPassant
Zakim IRC Bot: -AlexPassant ←
15:29:57 <dcharbon2> zakim, aadd is dcharbon2
David Charboneau: zakim, aadd is dcharbon2 ←
15:29:57 <Zakim> sorry, dcharbon2, I do not recognize a party named 'aadd'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, dcharbon2, I do not recognize a party named 'aadd' ←
15:30:09 <dcharbon2> zakim, +1.919.332.aadd is dcharbon2
David Charboneau: zakim, +1.919.332.aadd is dcharbon2 ←
15:30:09 <Zakim> sorry, dcharbon2, I do not recognize a party named '+1.919.332.aadd'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, dcharbon2, I do not recognize a party named '+1.919.332.aadd' ←
15:30:29 <LeeF> kasei: Nothing yet. Intention is to make sure we're aligned with VoiD soon, now that dataset description stuff is nailed down
Gregory Williams: Nothing yet. Intention is to make sure we're aligned with VoiD soon, now that dataset description stuff is nailed down ←
15:31:01 <LeeF> AndyS: Should we have a joint teleconference with them?
Andy Seaborne: Should we have a joint teleconference with them? ←
15:31:17 <LeeF> kasei: We can try to. Would you be interested in participating? My approach to date has been pretty informal
Gregory Williams: We can try to. Would you be interested in participating? My approach to date has been pretty informal ←
15:31:20 <Zakim> +??P3
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3 ←
15:31:54 <AlexPassant> Zakimm, ??P3 is me
Alexandre Passant: Zakimm, ??P3 is me ←
15:32:12 <AndyS> If it's just me then not much point.
Andy Seaborne: If it's just me then not much point. ←
15:32:42 <LeeF> AndyS: Would be good to discuss who's going to do what in terms of actually describing the graphs
Andy Seaborne: Would be good to discuss who's going to do what in terms of actually describing the graphs ←
15:33:01 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: kasei to contact void and start a discussion on issues around SD
ACTION: kasei to contact void and start a discussion on issues around SD ←
15:33:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-151 - Contact void and start a discussion on issues around SD [on Gregory Williams - due 2009-12-15].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-151 - Contact void and start a discussion on issues around SD [on Gregory Williams - due 2009-12-15]. ←
15:33:12 <kasei> Zakim, mute me
Gregory Williams: Zakim, mute me ←
15:33:12 <Zakim> kasei should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: kasei should now be muted ←
15:33:19 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:33:19 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted ←
15:33:21 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: last document is RDF update
Axel Polleres: last document is RDF update ←
15:33:38 <LeeF> ACTION: Chimezie to provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in RDF Update
ACTION: Chimezie to provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in RDF Update ←
15:33:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-152 - Provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in RDF Update [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2009-12-15].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-152 - Provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in RDF Update [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2009-12-15]. ←
15:33:57 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:33:57 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted ←
15:34:04 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me ←
15:34:04 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted ←
15:34:07 <LeeF> ACTION: Birte to provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in entailment
ACTION: Birte to provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in entailment ←
15:34:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-153 - Provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in entailment [on Birte Glimm - due 2009-12-15].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-153 - Provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in entailment [on Birte Glimm - due 2009-12-15]. ←
15:34:18 <LeeF> q+ to ask if we can get reviewers
q+ to ask if we can get reviewers ←
15:34:25 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
15:34:25 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←
15:34:25 <LeeF> ack AndyS
ack AndyS ←
15:34:27 <AndyS> ack me
Andy Seaborne: ack me ←
15:35:09 <AndyS> Urgent: agg custom syntax
Andy Seaborne: Urgent: agg custom syntax ←
15:35:40 <AndyS> ... would be nice to publish a grammar out (stretch objective)
Andy Seaborne: ... would be nice to publish a grammar out (stretch objective) ←
15:36:31 <bglimm> I can do that again
Birte Glimm: I can do that again ←
15:36:36 <Souri> Matt and I can do it
Souripriya Das: Matt and I can do it ←
15:36:47 <kasei> when would these reviews be due in?
Gregory Williams: when would these reviews be due in? ←
15:36:56 <LeeF> Reviews would be due beginning of January, ideally
Reviews would be due beginning of January, ideally ←
15:37:04 <Souri> We'll try :-)
Souripriya Das: We'll try :-) ←
15:37:06 <AxelPolleres> Query reviewers: Birte, Matt Souri, Axel
Axel Polleres: Query reviewers: Birte, Matt Souri, Axel ←
15:37:18 <AndyS> Yes
Andy Seaborne: Yes ←
15:37:22 <bglimm> q+ to ask who can be reviewer
Birte Glimm: q+ to ask who can be reviewer ←
15:37:52 <AndyS> I'll review for update (lang? protocol?)
Andy Seaborne: I'll review for update (lang? protocol?) ←
15:37:55 <AxelPolleres> ack LeeF
Axel Polleres: ack LeeF ←
15:37:55 <Zakim> LeeF, you wanted to ask if we can get reviewers
Zakim IRC Bot: LeeF, you wanted to ask if we can get reviewers ←
15:37:58 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:37:58 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted ←
15:38:14 <ivanh> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:38:20 <AxelPolleres> Update reviewers: AndyS, Axel,
Axel Polleres: Update reviewers: AndyS, Axel, ←
15:38:26 <kasei> lots of echo
Gregory Williams: lots of echo ←
15:38:35 <AndyS> which update?
Andy Seaborne: which update? ←
15:38:41 <LeeF__> suggest external reviewers should be in addition to internal reviewers
suggest external reviewers should be in addition to internal reviewers ←
15:39:20 <bglimm> Ok, then I'll ask for some additional informal reviews
Birte Glimm: Ok, then I'll ask for some additional informal reviews ←
15:39:48 <bglimm> ack me
Birte Glimm: ack me ←
15:39:48 <Zakim> bglimm, you wanted to ask who can be reviewer
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm, you wanted to ask who can be reviewer ←
15:39:57 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
15:39:57 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←
15:40:35 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji
Zakim IRC Bot: -Chimezie_Ogbuji ←
15:41:13 <LeeF> Don't think it's worth getting protocol reviewers right now
Don't think it's worth getting protocol reviewers right now ←
15:41:31 <AlexPassant> +1 for SD review
Alexandre Passant: +1 for SD review ←
15:41:33 <dcharbon2> I can
David Charboneau: I can ←
15:41:45 <AxelPolleres> SD reviwers: david, Alex, Axel
Axel Polleres: SD reviwers: david, Alex, Axel ←
15:41:45 <LeeF> alex & david to review service description
alex & david to review service description ←
15:42:12 <AndyS> Will review http-review
Andy Seaborne: Will review http-review ←
15:42:13 <LeeF> I'll review that rdf update on Christmas
I'll review that rdf update on Christmas ←
15:42:16 <AndyS> Will review http-update
Andy Seaborne: Will review http-update ←
15:42:26 <kasei> I can do http-update
Gregory Williams: I can do http-update ←
15:42:29 <AxelPolleres> rdf-update: andyS, LeeF, Axel
Axel Polleres: rdf-update: andyS, LeeF, Axel ←
15:42:37 <ivanh> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
15:42:47 <ivanh> +1 for review
Ivan Herman: +1 for review ←
15:43:05 <AxelPolleres> entailment regimes review: ivanh, Axel
Axel Polleres: entailment regimes review: ivanh, Axel ←
15:43:12 <AndyS> What about property paths?
Andy Seaborne: What about property paths? ←
15:43:39 <LeeF> What's the status of property paths?
What's the status of property paths? ←
15:44:18 <ivanh> +1 to Andy, a fpwd would be good
Ivan Herman: +1 to Andy, a fpwd would be good ←
15:45:24 <ivanh> +1 to review
Ivan Herman: +1 to review ←
15:45:35 <Souri> +1
Souripriya Das: +1 ←
15:45:36 <LeeF> AndyS: publish property paths as its own document since it's still time permitting
Andy Seaborne: publish property paths as its own document since it's still time permitting ←
15:45:51 <LeeF> property path reviewers: LeeF, ivanh, Souri
property path reviewers: LeeF, ivanh, Souri ←
15:46:14 <mperry> +1 Property Path review
Matthew Perry: +1 Property Path review ←
15:46:31 <LeeF> topic: scope of alias variables
15:46:43 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: Lee raised the issue, Andy made a strawman proposal
Axel Polleres: Lee raised the issue, Andy made a strawman proposal ←
15:46:53 <AndyS> Matt, Souri - PP is http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/property-paths/Overview.xml
Andy Seaborne: Matt, Souri - PP is http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/property-paths/Overview.xml ←
15:47:06 <Souri> Thanks Andy
Souripriya Das: Thanks Andy ←
15:47:17 <LeeF> AndyS: what is the scope of variables introduced in select expressions - the ones after "AS"
Andy Seaborne: what is the scope of variables introduced in select expressions - the ones after "AS" ←
15:47:24 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0585.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0585.html ←
15:47:30 <LeeF> ... what is described is a design in which you can't introduce a variable that is already used before
... what is described is a design in which you can't introduce a variable that is already used before ←
15:47:44 <LeeF> ... the variable can be used in an expression that's further to the right in the select expressions list
... the variable can be used in an expression that's further to the right in the select expressions list ←
15:47:54 <LeeF> ... also in scope for the HAVING clause
... also in scope for the HAVING clause ←
15:47:58 <LeeF> ... not in scope for the query pattern
... not in scope for the query pattern ←
15:48:36 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/select-expr-defs-1-1.html
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/select-expr-defs-1-1.html ←
15:48:51 <LeeF> q+
q+ ←
15:48:53 <LeeF> ack ivanh
ack ivanh ←
15:49:21 <kasei> echo again...
Gregory Williams: echo again... ←
15:49:31 <AxelPolleres> echo, lee pleaserepeat
Axel Polleres: echo, lee pleaserepeat ←
15:49:51 <LeeF> LeeF: I supported the alternative design that didn't allow variables to be reused in expressoins at the F2F, but I'm just as happy with Andy's proposal
Lee Feigenbaum: I supported the alternative design that didn't allow variables to be reused in expressoins at the F2F, but I'm just as happy with Andy's proposal ←
15:50:24 <LeeF> that's right
that's right ←
15:50:39 <LeeF> AndyS: to clarify, the other design was one in which alias variables can't be used in any expressions in the select expression
Andy Seaborne: to clarify, the other design was one in which alias variables can't be used in any expressions in the select expression ←
15:50:41 <LeeF> ?
? ←
15:50:43 <LeeF> LeeF: Yes.
Lee Feigenbaum: Yes. ←
15:50:55 <LeeF> AndyS: this also covers using variables in the HAVING clause
Andy Seaborne: this also covers using variables in the HAVING clause ←
15:51:56 <LeeF> AndyS: not the group by, but yes for having
Andy Seaborne: not the group by, but yes for having ←
15:52:17 <Souri> examples of valid and invalid GROUP BY HAVING?
Souripriya Das: examples of valid and invalid GROUP BY HAVING? ←
15:52:42 <AxelPolleres> ISSUE-41, ISSUE-12
Axel Polleres: ISSUE-41, ISSUE-12 ←
15:52:50 <AndyS> souri, there are some on the list as a starting point - do ask for more if you want
Andy Seaborne: souri, there are some on the list as a starting point - do ask for more if you want ←
15:53:23 <LeeF> AndyS: think we need Steve to see if this couples nicely with aggregates
Andy Seaborne: think we need Steve to see if this couples nicely with aggregates ←
15:53:28 <LeeF> Souri: examples?
Souripriya Das: examples? ←
15:53:45 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/
Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/ ←
15:54:19 <LeeF> Souri: there's no dependency about the variables used in the pattern and in the alias? if I use ?x in the pattern, can I say "?y+1 AS ?x" ?
Souripriya Das: there's no dependency about the variables used in the pattern and in the alias? if I use ?x in the pattern, can I say "?y+1 AS ?x" ? ←
15:54:32 <LeeF> AndyS: that's defined as a syntax error through a static check
Andy Seaborne: that's defined as a syntax error through a static check ←
15:54:42 <AndyS> See http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/select-expr-defs-1-1.html
Andy Seaborne: See http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/select-expr-defs-1-1.html ←
15:55:21 <AxelPolleres> [...] var not in dom(μ) [...]
Axel Polleres: [...] var not in dom(μ) [...] ←
15:57:38 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
15:57:44 <LeeF> ack me
ack me ←
16:00:21 <sandro> Call is out of time. Bye all.
Sandro Hawke: Call is out of time. Bye all. ←
16:00:27 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
16:00:56 <AxelPolleres> blocking issues?
Axel Polleres: blocking issues? ←
16:00:58 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: Ask editors to identify blocking issues that need the most urgent attention
Axel Polleres: Ask editors to identify blocking issues that need the most urgent attention ←
16:01:18 <AxelPolleres> will ping all editors separately again right after the TC on issues...
Axel Polleres: will ping all editors separately again right after the TC on issues... ←
16:02:12 <bglimm> ok
Birte Glimm: ok ←
16:02:13 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: Adjourned.
Axel Polleres: Adjourned. ←
16:02:19 <bglimm> bye
Birte Glimm: bye ←
16:02:25 <LeeF> RRSAgent, draft minutes
RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
16:02:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-sparql-minutes.html LeeF
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-sparql-minutes.html LeeF ←
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