<LeeF> Present: LeeF, Axel, AlexPassant, Andy, dcharbon2, Orri, Souri, mperry, Chimezie, kasei, tommik, ivanh, sandro, pgearon, bglimm

14:52:06 <trackbot>  Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference

14:52:06 <trackbot> Date: 08 December 2009

14:52:11 <LeeF> zakim, this will be SPARQL

14:58:43 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started

15:02:18 <LeeF> Scribenick: leef

15:02:18 <LeeF> Chair: Axel

15:07:47 <LeeF> Regrets: SteveH, LukeWM, Kjetilk

15:04:41 <LeeF> topic: Introductions

15:05:17 <ivanh> welcome to souri and mperry!

15:05:23 <LeeF> Souri: I was involved in DAWG and some of the early SPARQL WG meetings and have now joined officially. We've followed the WG's progress, hoping to contribute

15:05:36 <LeeF> mperry: Also from Oracle, joined about a year ago and work on SPARQL query answering in Oracle

15:05:44 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: Welcome!

15:06:10 <LeeF> topic: admin

15:06:02 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-11-24

15:06:22 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-11-24

15:06:32 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-12-01

15:06:51 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-12-01

15:06:52 <bglimm> I said I could not make it

15:07:03 <bglimm> but I am not in the regrets list

15:07:29 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel to add birte to regrets in last time minutes

15:07:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-147 - Add birte to regrets in last time minutes [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-12-15].

15:07:55 <LeeF> Next meeting is one week from now (Dec-15)

15:08:02 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: Do we want to have a meeting on the 22nd?

15:08:03 <ivanh> regrets for next week

15:08:10 <LeeF> ... we want to publish next round of documents in mid-January

15:08:27 <LeeF> ... might be good to have teleconference on 22nd as we're bringing documents into shape for internal review

15:08:34 <ivanh> I am on vacations

15:08:35 <LeeF> ... Who would NOT be able to join on the 22nd?

15:08:39 <bglimm> I am not sure whether I can make it

15:08:39 <AlexPassant> Ill be away

15:08:40 <AndyS> I can make a telecon on 22nd

15:08:46 <pgearon> I need to find out about school timetable

15:08:49 <LeeF> I can make it

15:08:50 <chimezie> i will be on vaccation

15:09:02 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: Let's try to have one with whoever is around

15:09:02 <AndyS> sicne we're planning ... 29th? yes/no?

15:09:18 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: Suggest no teleconference on Dec 29

15:09:30 <LeeF> ... resume on Jan 5

15:09:38 <bglimm> 5th is ok

15:09:38 <ivanh> agreed

15:09:41 <LeeF> ... ok?

15:09:43 <pgearon> sure

15:09:44 <AndyS> Fine by me.

15:09:44 <Souri> +1

15:09:45 <chimezie> ok

15:09:46 <AlexPassant> +1

15:09:47 <mperry> yes

15:09:47 <LeeF>  everyone: ok

15:09:52 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me

15:09:52 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted

15:10:08 <LeeF> subtopic: F2F3

15:10:14 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/F2F3

15:10:31 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: Please fill in your availability for next face-to-face in March

15:10:48 <LeeF> ... plan is to have mid-March meeting with two sites (US and UK/Ireland)

15:11:28 <LeeF> ... discussion among chairs about fixing the dates

15:11:39 <AndyS> Please do fix the date soon.

15:11:49 <LeeF> ... two slots under discussion

15:11:52 <LeeF> ... 1) 15 & 16

15:12:01 <LeeF> ... 2) 25 & 26

15:12:22 <LeeF> ... any preferences?

15:12:25 <pgearon> I can't make it on the 16th

15:12:35 <Zakim> -Orri

15:13:05 <AndyS> Can make either - fixing the date is what is important for me.

15:13:17 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: Can anyone not make the 25th and 26th?

15:13:20 <LeeF> (silence)

15:13:53 <Souri> 25th and 26th is fine with Matt and me

15:14:23 <LeeF> sandro: let's give 48 hours for people to comment on 25th and 26th for face to face

15:15:03 <Zakim> +??P35

15:15:04 <AndyS> Please flip the coin on Oxford and Galway as well (IIRC Steve iffy for Galway)

15:15:07 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: F2F3 will probably be March 25 & 26, 2010, to be fixed in a couple of days

15:15:19 <LeeF> summary: F2F3 will probably be March 25 & 26, 2010, to be fixed in a couple of days

15:15:22 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments ←

15:15:50 <LeeF> topic: comments

15:16:06 <kasei> I added a draft response to ldodds-sd-1 last night.

Gregory Williams: I added a draft response to ldodds-sd-1 last night. ←

15:16:29 <LeeF> LeeF: comments from Holger and Jeremy are still open

Lee Feigenbaum: comments from Holger and Jeremy are still open ←

15:16:53 <AndyS> AH-1 was sent to me directly so no reply needed.

Andy Seaborne: AH-1 was sent to me directly so no reply needed. ←

15:17:23 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: Please take a look at early comments and address if possible/relevant

Axel Polleres: Please take a look at early comments and address if possible/relevant ←

15:17:29 <LeeF> AndyS: No expectation of reply to AH-1

Andy Seaborne: No expectation of reply to AH-1 ←

15:18:40 <LeeF> topic: liaisons

15:18:45 <Zakim> + +1.919.332.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.919.332.aadd ←

15:18:47 <LeeF> Souri: RDB2RDF still doing presentations

Souripriya Das: RDB2RDF still doing presentations ←

15:19:01 <LeeF> ... nothing special to report

... nothing special to report ←

15:19:17 <LeeF> topic: Publications

15:19:27 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: How do we get to next round of publications?

Axel Polleres: How do we get to next round of publications? ←

15:19:45 <LeeF> ... 3 weeks in ago we talked about the heartbeat requirement (3 month publishing cycle), which puts us in mid-January

... 3 weeks in ago we talked about the heartbeat requirement (3 month publishing cycle), which puts us in mid-January ←

15:20:15 <LeeF> ... we will focus next week on getting documents stabilized

... we will focus next week on getting documents stabilized ←

15:20:30 <LeeF> ... Would like document editor's to summarize changes since FPWD in a change log

... Would like document editor's to summarize changes since FPWD in a change log ←

15:20:35 <LeeF> s/editor's/editors

s/editor's/editors ←

15:21:26 <LeeF> AndyS: We've integrated all of the new material with the old material

Andy Seaborne: We've integrated all of the new material with the old material ←

15:21:41 <LeeF> AndyS: Current lock is on formatting issues

Andy Seaborne: Current lock is on formatting issues ←

15:21:42 <LeeF> q+

q+ ←

15:22:58 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←

15:23:02 <kasei> LeeF, sorry about that. that hand raising turned out to be more trouble than it was worth :)

Gregory Williams: LeeF, sorry about that. that hand raising turned out to be more trouble than it was worth :) ←

15:24:15 <AxelPolleres> high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD

Axel Polleres: high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD ←

15:24:23 <LeeF> LeeF: what I had in mind was a high-level summary of major changes since FPWD

Lee Feigenbaum: what I had in mind was a high-level summary of major changes since FPWD ←

15:24:31 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←

15:24:44 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: AndyS to provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in Query 1.1

ACTION: AndyS to provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in Query 1.1 ←

15:24:44 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - AndyS

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - AndyS ←

15:24:53 <LeeF> ACTION: Andy to provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in Query 1.1

ACTION: Andy to provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in Query 1.1 ←

15:24:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-148 - Provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in Query 1.1 [on Andy Seaborne - due 2009-12-15].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-148 - Provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in Query 1.1 [on Andy Seaborne - due 2009-12-15]. ←

15:25:14 <LeeF> ACTION: Paul to provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in Update

ACTION: Paul to provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in Update ←

15:25:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-149 - Provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in Update [on Paul Gearon - due 2009-12-15].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-149 - Provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in Update [on Paul Gearon - due 2009-12-15]. ←

15:25:24 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone?

zakim, who's on the phone? ←

15:25:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, ivanh, kasei (muted), Axel, AlexPassant, tkoivula, LeeF, Souri, pgearon, mperry, bglimm (muted), Chimezie_Ogbuji (muted), ??P35, +1.919.332.aadd, Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AndyS, ivanh, kasei (muted), Axel, AlexPassant, tkoivula, LeeF, Souri, pgearon, mperry, bglimm (muted), Chimezie_Ogbuji (muted), ??P35, +1.919.332.aadd, Sandro ←

15:25:50 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: PaulG to provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in Update 1.1

ACTION: PaulG to provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in Update 1.1 ←

15:25:50 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - PaulG

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - PaulG ←

15:26:20 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: high level change logs by next Tuesday

Axel Polleres: high level change logs by next Tuesday ←

15:26:39 <LeeF> ... General plan is to have documents ready by Christmas, pick reviewers to review by early January, then publish

... General plan is to have documents ready by Christmas, pick reviewers to review by early January, then publish ←

15:26:54 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q? ←

15:27:00 <LeeF> ack me

ack me ←

15:27:48 <chimezie> i hear interference

Chimezie Ogbuji: i hear interference ←

15:28:07 <dcharbon2> sorry, in a noisy place

David Charboneau: sorry, in a noisy place ←

15:28:18 <LeeF> LeeF: Protocol is still in transition to David Charboneau as new editor, no change so far from FPWD

Lee Feigenbaum: Protocol is still in transition to David Charboneau as new editor, no change so far from FPWD ←

15:28:22 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←

15:28:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, ivanh, kasei (muted), Axel, AlexPassant, tkoivula, LeeF, Souri, pgearon, mperry, bglimm (muted), Chimezie_Ogbuji (muted), ??P35, +1.919.332.aadd, Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AndyS, ivanh, kasei (muted), Axel, AlexPassant, tkoivula, LeeF, Souri, pgearon, mperry, bglimm (muted), Chimezie_Ogbuji (muted), ??P35, +1.919.332.aadd, Sandro ←

15:28:34 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer?

Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, pointer? ←

15:28:34 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-sparql-irc#T15-28-34

RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-sparql-irc#T15-28-34 ←

15:28:36 <kasei> Zakim, unmute me

Gregory Williams: Zakim, unmute me ←

15:28:36 <Zakim> kasei should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: kasei should no longer be muted ←

15:28:39 <dcharbon2> zakim, mute me

David Charboneau: zakim, mute me ←

15:28:39 <Zakim> sorry, dcharbon2, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, dcharbon2, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←

15:28:47 <LeeF> zakim, aadd is dcharbon2

zakim, aadd is dcharbon2 ←

15:28:47 <Zakim> +dcharbon2; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +dcharbon2; got it ←

15:28:49 <AxelPolleres> zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: zakim, who is on the phone? ←

15:28:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, ivanh, kasei, Axel, AlexPassant, tkoivula, LeeF, Souri, pgearon, mperry, bglimm (muted), Chimezie_Ogbuji (muted), ??P35, dcharbon2, Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AndyS, ivanh, kasei, Axel, AlexPassant, tkoivula, LeeF, Souri, pgearon, mperry, bglimm (muted), Chimezie_Ogbuji (muted), ??P35, dcharbon2, Sandro ←

15:28:51 <LeeF> zakim, mute dcharbon2

zakim, mute dcharbon2 ←

15:28:52 <kasei> can you hear me?

Gregory Williams: can you hear me? ←

15:28:54 <Zakim> dcharbon2 should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: dcharbon2 should now be muted ←

15:28:58 <AlexPassant> no kasei

Alexandre Passant: no kasei ←

15:29:20 <LeeF> ACTION: David and Lee to synchronize on what can be done in protocol document before next WD publication

ACTION: David and Lee to synchronize on what can be done in protocol document before next WD publication ←

15:29:20 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - David

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - David ←

15:29:20 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. dcharbon2, dnewman2)

Trackbot IRC Bot: Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. dcharbon2, dnewman2) ←

15:29:24 <AndyS> q+

Andy Seaborne: q+ ←

15:29:33 <LeeF> ACTION: Greg to provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in Service Description

ACTION: Greg to provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in Service Description ←

15:29:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-150 - Provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in Service Description [on Gregory Williams - due 2009-12-15].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-150 - Provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in Service Description [on Gregory Williams - due 2009-12-15]. ←

15:29:53 <LeeF> AndyS: On service description - we talked about joint discussions with VoiD - are we taking that forward?

Andy Seaborne: On service description - we talked about joint discussions with VoiD - are we taking that forward? ←

15:29:56 <Zakim> -AlexPassant

Zakim IRC Bot: -AlexPassant ←

15:29:57 <dcharbon2> zakim, aadd is dcharbon2

David Charboneau: zakim, aadd is dcharbon2 ←

15:29:57 <Zakim> sorry, dcharbon2, I do not recognize a party named 'aadd'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, dcharbon2, I do not recognize a party named 'aadd' ←

15:30:09 <dcharbon2> zakim, +1.919.332.aadd is dcharbon2

David Charboneau: zakim, +1.919.332.aadd is dcharbon2 ←

15:30:09 <Zakim> sorry, dcharbon2, I do not recognize a party named '+1.919.332.aadd'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, dcharbon2, I do not recognize a party named '+1.919.332.aadd' ←

15:30:29 <LeeF> kasei: Nothing yet. Intention is to make sure we're aligned with VoiD soon, now that dataset description stuff is nailed down

Gregory Williams: Nothing yet. Intention is to make sure we're aligned with VoiD soon, now that dataset description stuff is nailed down ←

15:31:01 <LeeF> AndyS: Should we have a joint teleconference with them?

Andy Seaborne: Should we have a joint teleconference with them? ←

15:31:17 <LeeF> kasei: We can try to. Would you be interested in participating? My approach to date has been pretty informal

Gregory Williams: We can try to. Would you be interested in participating? My approach to date has been pretty informal ←

15:31:20 <Zakim> +??P3

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3 ←

15:31:54 <AlexPassant> Zakimm, ??P3 is me

Alexandre Passant: Zakimm, ??P3 is me ←

15:32:12 <AndyS> If it's just me then not much point.

Andy Seaborne: If it's just me then not much point. ←

15:32:42 <LeeF> AndyS: Would be good to discuss who's going to do what in terms of actually describing the graphs

Andy Seaborne: Would be good to discuss who's going to do what in terms of actually describing the graphs ←

15:33:01 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: kasei to contact void and start a discussion on issues around SD

ACTION: kasei to contact void and start a discussion on issues around SD ←

15:33:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-151 - Contact void and start a discussion on issues around SD [on Gregory Williams - due 2009-12-15].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-151 - Contact void and start a discussion on issues around SD [on Gregory Williams - due 2009-12-15]. ←

15:33:12 <kasei> Zakim, mute me

Gregory Williams: Zakim, mute me ←

15:33:12 <Zakim> kasei should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: kasei should now be muted ←

15:33:19 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me ←

15:33:19 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted ←

15:33:21 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: last document is RDF update

Axel Polleres: last document is RDF update ←

15:33:38 <LeeF> ACTION: Chimezie to provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in RDF Update

ACTION: Chimezie to provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in RDF Update ←

15:33:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-152 - Provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in RDF Update [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2009-12-15].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-152 - Provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in RDF Update [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2009-12-15]. ←

15:33:57 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me ←

15:33:57 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted ←

15:34:04 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me ←

15:34:04 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted ←

15:34:07 <LeeF> ACTION: Birte to provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in entailment

ACTION: Birte to provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in entailment ←

15:34:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-153 - Provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in entailment [on Birte Glimm - due 2009-12-15].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-153 - Provide a high-level changelog summarising what has happened since FPWD in entailment [on Birte Glimm - due 2009-12-15]. ←

15:34:18 <LeeF> q+ to ask if we can get reviewers

q+ to ask if we can get reviewers ←

15:34:25 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←

15:34:25 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←

15:34:25 <LeeF> ack AndyS

ack AndyS ←

15:34:27 <AndyS> ack me

Andy Seaborne: ack me ←

15:35:09 <AndyS>  Urgent: agg custom syntax

Andy Seaborne: Urgent: agg custom syntax ←

15:35:40 <AndyS> ... would be nice to publish a grammar out (stretch objective)

Andy Seaborne: ... would be nice to publish a grammar out (stretch objective) ←

15:36:31 <bglimm> I can do that again

Birte Glimm: I can do that again ←

15:36:36 <Souri> Matt and I can do it

Souripriya Das: Matt and I can do it ←

15:36:47 <kasei> when would these reviews be due in?

Gregory Williams: when would these reviews be due in? ←

15:36:56 <LeeF> Reviews would be due beginning of January, ideally

Reviews would be due beginning of January, ideally ←

15:37:04 <Souri> We'll try :-)

Souripriya Das: We'll try :-) ←

15:37:06 <AxelPolleres> Query reviewers: Birte, Matt Souri, Axel

Axel Polleres: Query reviewers: Birte, Matt Souri, Axel ←

15:37:18 <AndyS> Yes

Andy Seaborne: Yes ←

15:37:22 <bglimm> q+ to ask who can be reviewer

Birte Glimm: q+ to ask who can be reviewer ←

15:37:52 <AndyS> I'll review for update (lang? protocol?)

Andy Seaborne: I'll review for update (lang? protocol?) ←

15:37:55 <AxelPolleres> ack LeeF

Axel Polleres: ack LeeF ←

15:37:55 <Zakim> LeeF, you wanted to ask if we can get reviewers

Zakim IRC Bot: LeeF, you wanted to ask if we can get reviewers ←

15:37:58 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me ←

15:37:58 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted ←

15:38:14 <ivanh> q+

Ivan Herman: q+ ←

15:38:20 <AxelPolleres> Update reviewers: AndyS, Axel,

Axel Polleres: Update reviewers: AndyS, Axel, ←

15:38:26 <kasei> lots of echo

Gregory Williams: lots of echo ←

15:38:35 <AndyS> which update?

Andy Seaborne: which update? ←

15:38:41 <LeeF__> suggest external reviewers should be in addition to internal reviewers

suggest external reviewers should be in addition to internal reviewers ←

15:39:20 <bglimm> Ok, then I'll ask for some additional informal reviews

Birte Glimm: Ok, then I'll ask for some additional informal reviews ←

15:39:48 <bglimm> ack me

Birte Glimm: ack me ←

15:39:48 <Zakim> bglimm, you wanted to ask who can be reviewer

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm, you wanted to ask who can be reviewer ←

15:39:57 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←

15:39:57 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←

15:40:35 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji

Zakim IRC Bot: -Chimezie_Ogbuji ←

15:41:13 <LeeF> Don't think it's worth getting protocol reviewers right now

Don't think it's worth getting protocol reviewers right now ←

15:41:31 <AlexPassant> +1 for SD review

Alexandre Passant: +1 for SD review ←

15:41:33 <dcharbon2> I can

David Charboneau: I can ←

15:41:45 <AxelPolleres> SD reviwers: david, Alex, Axel

Axel Polleres: SD reviwers: david, Alex, Axel ←

15:41:45 <LeeF> alex & david to review service description

alex & david to review service description ←

15:42:12 <AndyS> Will review http-review

Andy Seaborne: Will review http-review ←

15:42:13 <LeeF> I'll review that rdf update on Christmas

I'll review that rdf update on Christmas ←

15:42:16 <AndyS> Will review http-update

Andy Seaborne: Will review http-update ←

15:42:26 <kasei> I can do http-update

Gregory Williams: I can do http-update ←

15:42:29 <AxelPolleres>  rdf-update: andyS, LeeF, Axel

Axel Polleres: rdf-update: andyS, LeeF, Axel ←

15:42:37 <ivanh> +1

Ivan Herman: +1 ←

15:42:47 <ivanh> +1 for review

Ivan Herman: +1 for review ←

15:43:05 <AxelPolleres> entailment regimes review: ivanh, Axel

Axel Polleres: entailment regimes review: ivanh, Axel ←

15:43:12 <AndyS> What about property paths?

Andy Seaborne: What about property paths? ←

15:43:39 <LeeF> What's the status of property paths?

What's the status of property paths? ←

15:44:18 <ivanh> +1 to Andy, a fpwd would be good

Ivan Herman: +1 to Andy, a fpwd would be good ←

15:45:24 <ivanh> +1 to review

Ivan Herman: +1 to review ←

15:45:35 <Souri> +1

Souripriya Das: +1 ←

15:45:36 <LeeF> AndyS: publish property paths as its own document since it's still time permitting

Andy Seaborne: publish property paths as its own document since it's still time permitting ←

15:45:51 <LeeF> property path reviewers: LeeF, ivanh, Souri

property path reviewers: LeeF, ivanh, Souri ←

15:46:14 <mperry> +1 Property Path review

Matthew Perry: +1 Property Path review ←

15:46:31 <LeeF> topic: scope of alias variables

15:46:43 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: Lee raised the issue, Andy made a strawman proposal

Axel Polleres: Lee raised the issue, Andy made a strawman proposal ←

15:46:53 <AndyS> Matt, Souri - PP is http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/property-paths/Overview.xml

Andy Seaborne: Matt, Souri - PP is http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/property-paths/Overview.xml ←

15:47:06 <Souri> Thanks Andy

Souripriya Das: Thanks Andy ←

15:47:17 <LeeF> AndyS: what is the scope of variables introduced in select expressions - the ones after "AS"

Andy Seaborne: what is the scope of variables introduced in select expressions - the ones after "AS" ←

15:47:24 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0585.html

Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0585.html ←

15:47:30 <LeeF> ... what is described is a design in which you can't introduce a variable that is already used before

... what is described is a design in which you can't introduce a variable that is already used before ←

15:47:44 <LeeF> ... the variable can be used in an expression that's further to the right in the select expressions list

... the variable can be used in an expression that's further to the right in the select expressions list ←

15:47:54 <LeeF> ... also in scope for the HAVING clause

... also in scope for the HAVING clause ←

15:47:58 <LeeF> ... not in scope for the query pattern

... not in scope for the query pattern ←

15:48:36 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/select-expr-defs-1-1.html

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/select-expr-defs-1-1.html ←

15:48:51 <LeeF> q+

q+ ←

15:48:53 <LeeF> ack ivanh

ack ivanh ←

15:49:21 <kasei> echo again...

Gregory Williams: echo again... ←

15:49:31 <AxelPolleres> echo, lee pleaserepeat

Axel Polleres: echo, lee pleaserepeat ←

15:49:51 <LeeF> LeeF: I supported the alternative design that didn't allow variables to be reused in expressoins at the F2F, but I'm just as happy with Andy's proposal

Lee Feigenbaum: I supported the alternative design that didn't allow variables to be reused in expressoins at the F2F, but I'm just as happy with Andy's proposal ←

15:50:24 <LeeF> that's right

that's right ←

15:50:39 <LeeF> AndyS: to clarify, the other design was one in which alias variables can't be used in any expressions in the select expression

Andy Seaborne: to clarify, the other design was one in which alias variables can't be used in any expressions in the select expression ←

15:50:41 <LeeF> ?

? ←

15:50:43 <LeeF> LeeF: Yes.

Lee Feigenbaum: Yes. ←

15:50:55 <LeeF> AndyS: this also covers using variables in the HAVING clause

Andy Seaborne: this also covers using variables in the HAVING clause ←

15:51:56 <LeeF> AndyS: not the group by, but yes for having

Andy Seaborne: not the group by, but yes for having ←

15:52:17 <Souri> examples of valid and invalid GROUP BY HAVING?

Souripriya Das: examples of valid and invalid GROUP BY HAVING? ←

15:52:42 <AxelPolleres> ISSUE-41, ISSUE-12

Axel Polleres: ISSUE-41, ISSUE-12 ←

15:52:50 <AndyS> souri, there are some on the list as a starting point - do ask for more if you want

Andy Seaborne: souri, there are some on the list as a starting point - do ask for more if you want ←

15:53:23 <LeeF> AndyS: think we need Steve to see if this couples nicely with aggregates

Andy Seaborne: think we need Steve to see if this couples nicely with aggregates ←

15:53:28 <LeeF> Souri: examples?

Souripriya Das: examples? ←

15:53:45 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/

Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/ ←

15:54:19 <LeeF> Souri: there's no dependency about the variables used in the pattern and in the alias? if I use ?x in the pattern, can I say "?y+1 AS ?x" ?

Souripriya Das: there's no dependency about the variables used in the pattern and in the alias? if I use ?x in the pattern, can I say "?y+1 AS ?x" ? ←

15:54:32 <LeeF> AndyS: that's defined as a syntax error through a static check

Andy Seaborne: that's defined as a syntax error through a static check ←

15:54:42 <AndyS> See http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/select-expr-defs-1-1.html

Andy Seaborne: See http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/select-expr-defs-1-1.html ←

15:55:21 <AxelPolleres> [...] var not in dom(μ) [...]

Axel Polleres: [...] var not in dom(μ) [...] ←

15:57:38 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q? ←

15:57:44 <LeeF> ack me

ack me ←

16:00:21 <sandro> Call is out of time. Bye all.

Sandro Hawke: Call is out of time. Bye all. ←

16:00:27 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←

16:00:56 <AxelPolleres> blocking issues?

Axel Polleres: blocking issues? ←

16:00:58 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: Ask editors to identify blocking issues that need the most urgent attention

Axel Polleres: Ask editors to identify blocking issues that need the most urgent attention ←

16:01:18 <AxelPolleres> will ping all editors separately again right after the TC on issues...

Axel Polleres: will ping all editors separately again right after the TC on issues... ←

16:02:12 <bglimm> ok

Birte Glimm: ok ←

16:02:13 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: Adjourned.

Axel Polleres: Adjourned. ←

16:02:19 <bglimm> bye

Birte Glimm: bye ←

16:02:25 <LeeF> RRSAgent, draft minutes

RRSAgent, draft minutes ←

16:02:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-sparql-minutes.html LeeF

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-sparql-minutes.html LeeF ←

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