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Weekly telecon : discussion on timing
Weekly teleconference to be held at 10:00 ET (15:00 UTC most of the year)
PRESENT: AxelPolleres, swh, bijan, Lee_Feigenbaum, AndyS_, EricP, kasei, Phil_Brooks, iv_an_ru, daveNewman, alepas, susie, orri, ywang
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14:35:47agenda +Introductions
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Lee Feigenbaum: agenda +Introductions ←
14:35:53agenda +Our charter and time line
Lee Feigenbaum: agenda +Our charter and time line ←
14:35:59agenda +What we all hope to get out of the working group
Lee Feigenbaum: agenda +What we all hope to get out of the working group ←
14:36:05agenda +Scheduling teleconferences and a face-to-face meeting
Lee Feigenbaum: agenda +Scheduling teleconferences and a face-to-face meeting ←
14:37:20zakim, who's here?
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, who's here? ←
14:37:20On the phone I see AxelPolleres, Garlik, bijan (muted), Lee_Feigenbaum, kasei, EricP, OpenLink, iv_an_ru, daveNewman, Phil_Brooks, alepas, AndyS_
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AxelPolleres, Garlik, bijan (muted), Lee_Feigenbaum, kasei, EricP, OpenLink, iv_an_ru, daveNewman, Phil_Brooks, alepas, AndyS_ ←
14:37:22On IRC I see Phil, RRSAgent, Zakim, alepas, AndyS_, swh, kasei, AxelPolleres, iv_an_ru, bijan, AndyS, LeeF, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Phil, RRSAgent, Zakim, alepas, AndyS_, swh, kasei, AxelPolleres, iv_an_ru, bijan, AndyS, LeeF, ericP ←
14:38:53Scribe: AndyS_
(Scribe set to Andy Seaborne)
14:39:28Topic: Introductions
14:39:28http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki ←
14:39:43Round the phone:
Round the phone: ←
14:39:53Lee Feigenbaum
Lee Feigenbaum ←
14:40:57Axel Polleres
Axel Polleres ←
14:41:26Lee and Axel are the group's co-chairs
Lee and Axel are the group's co-chairs ←
14:41:36Axel, is there a way to do that through the conf. system?
Greg Williams: Axel, is there a way to do that through the conf. system? ←
14:41:49kasei, you can type "zakim, mute me"
Lee Feigenbaum: kasei, you can type "zakim, mute me" ←
14:42:18Steve Harris
Steve Harris ←
14:42:34kasei, type "Zakim, mute me"
Axel Polleres: kasei, type "Zakim, mute me" ←
14:42:36Susie has joined #sparql
Susie Stephens: Susie has joined #sparql ←
14:43:14"Luke Wilson-Mawer"
Steve Harris: "Luke Wilson-Mawer" ←
14:43:50zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
14:43:50bijan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←
14:43:55Bijan Parsia
Bijan Parsia ←
14:44:01zakim, mute me
Greg Williams: zakim, mute me ←
14:44:01kasei should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: kasei should now be muted ←
14:45:10zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
14:45:10bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
14:45:13we'd kindly request people to also send intro mails to the mailing list, and also enter an introduction to the wiki (http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki).
Axel Polleres: we'd kindly request people to also send intro mails to the mailing list, and also enter an introduction to the wiki (http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki). ←
14:45:16zakim, unmute me
Greg Williams: zakim, unmute me ←
14:45:16kasei should no longer be muted
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14:45:21Greg Williams
Greg Williams ←
14:46:05zakim, mute me
Greg Williams: zakim, mute me ←
14:46:05kasei should now be muted
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14:46:12Eric Prud'hommeaux
Eric Prud'hommeaux ←
14:46:55W3C staff contacts: EricP and Ivan Herman
W3C staff contacts: EricP and Ivan Herman ←
14:47:12Orri Erling
Orri Erling ←
14:47:27Ivan Mikhailov
Ivan Mikhailov ←
14:47:37orri and ivan on the same phone line (for attendees list)
Axel Polleres: orri and ivan on the same phone line (for attendees list) ←
14:48:14Orri is at Utrecht and I'm in Novosibirsk, I guess that lines differ.
Ivan Mikhailov: Orri is at Utrecht and I'm in Novosibirsk, I guess that lines differ. ←
14:49:39Dave Newman
Dave Newman ←
14:50:11(Dan Schutzer not attending today)
(Dan Schutzer not attending today) ←
14:51:02Phil Brooks
Phil Brooks ←
14:52:30Hi, Bijan!
Phil Brooks: Hi, Bijan! ←
14:52:33Jenna Zhou
Phil Brooks: Jenna Zhou ←
14:53:00Alex Passant
Alex Passant ←
14:53:33Andy Seaborne
Lee Feigenbaum: Andy Seaborne ←
14:53:37On http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=35463 I don't see yet all of the people here.
Axel Polleres: On http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=35463 I don't see yet all of the people here. ←
14:54:04+1 to AndyS speed point
Bijan Parsia: +1 to AndyS speed point ←
14:54:16+1
Steve Harris: +1 ←
14:55:55Oops. Manchester is likely to have a second person as well, someone who's been heavily involved with a joint UManchester/Seimans project
Bijan Parsia: Oops. Manchester is likely to have a second person as well, someone who's been heavily involved with a joint UManchester/Seimans project ←
14:56:10HP will be represented by two people: Andy Seaborne and Ahmed Ezzat
HP will be represented by two people: Andy Seaborne and Ahmed Ezzat ←
14:57:16topic: Weekly telecon : discussion on timing
Summary: Weekly teleconference to be held at 10:00 ET (15:00 UTC most of the year)
summary: Weekly teleconference to be held at 10:00 ET (15:00 UTC most of the year)
14:57:43Issue: PST is 06:30 and we have people on the west coast
Issue: PST is 06:30 and we have people on the west coast ←
14:58:01(when typing, please mute yourselves)
Axel Polleres: (when typing, please mute yourselves) ←
14:58:32Also clash with RIF calls just after SPARQL
Also clash with RIF calls just after SPARQL ←
14:58:48LeeF: Meetings usually an hour
Lee Feigenbaum: Meetings usually an hour ←
14:59:17Dave: 7am is OK
Dave Newman: 7am is OK ←
14:59:38-daveNewman
Zakim IRC Bot: -daveNewman ←
15:00:11LeeF: Suggestion 15:00Z
Lee Feigenbaum: Suggestion 15:00Z ←
15:00:34zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
15:00:34bijan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←
15:00:35AxelPolleres: then limits me to one hour due to RIF
Axel Polleres: then limits me to one hour due to RIF ←
15:01:1115:00Z = 10am EST = 7am PST until clocks change
15:00Z = 10am EST = 7am PST until clocks change ←
15:01:33Bijan: teach some of those slots but UManchester will have two people.
Bijan Parsia: teach some of those slots but UManchester will have two people. ←
15:01:34zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
15:01:40bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
15:01:57I appreciate the chairs consideration
Bijan Parsia: I appreciate the chairs consideration ←
15:02:30LeeF: Days other than Tuesday is tricky for chairs/staff contacts
Lee Feigenbaum: Days other than Tuesday is tricky for chairs/staff contacts ←
15:02:47If the chairs are willing for asynch feedback from me on the days that I can't attend, I would be grateful
Bijan Parsia: If the chairs are willing for asynch feedback from me on the days that I can't attend, I would be grateful ←
15:02:55Phil: 10am OK but Singapore would be a problem.
Phil Brooks: 10am OK but Singapore would be a problem. ←
15:02:56Very happy for async feedback
Lee Feigenbaum: Very happy for async feedback ←
15:04:04agenda?
Lee Feigenbaum: agenda? ←
15:04:06LeeF: For now, 15:00Z telecons -- 10am EST -- 7am PST
Lee Feigenbaum: For now, 15:00Z telecons -- 10am EST -- 7am PST ←
15:04:39http://www.w3.org/2009/01/sparql-charter
Steve Harris: http://www.w3.org/2009/01/sparql-charter ←
15:04:58topic: Charter discussion
15:05:12LeeF: 18 months running time.
Lee Feigenbaum: 18 months running time. ←
15:05:24... key point
... key point ←
15:05:39... RECs from last time (QL, Protocol, Results)
... RECs from last time (QL, Protocol, Results) ←
15:06:20... also JSON Results format -- WG Note
... also JSON Results format -- WG Note ←
15:07:00... charter for adding key features for users; things that have been impelemnted and used sufficiently widely
... charter for adding key features for users; things that have been impelemnted and used sufficiently widely ←
15:07:31... all SPARQL v1 queries shouldl be the same
... all SPARQL v1 queries shouldl be the same ←
15:07:48... scope suggestions:
... scope suggestions: ←
15:07:52... update and delete
... update and delete ←
15:08:11... aggregate functions
... aggregate functions ←
15:08:24... new filters and functions
... new filters and functions ←
15:08:37... interoperability (e.g. service description)
... interoperability (e.g. service description) ←
15:08:50... describe inference regime
... describe inference regime ←
15:08:59... make DESCRIBE more interoperable
... make DESCRIBE more interoperable ←
15:09:13... (was non-normative in REC)
... (was non-normative in REC) ←
15:09:25... consider an XML syntax for SPARQL
... consider an XML syntax for SPARQL ←
15:09:57(project named expressions was missed I think)
Steve Harris: (project named expressions was missed I think) ←
15:10:00... next week : round table for members to state what they see needed
... next week : round table for members to state what they see needed ←
15:10:36EricP: Do some to meet schedule then flesh out if more time
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Do some to meet schedule then flesh out if more time ←
15:11:00LeeF: step one is UC&R (2 minths - maybe 6 weeks) will fix the features
Lee Feigenbaum: step one is UC&R (2 minths - maybe 6 weeks) will fix the features ←
15:11:15... charter says prioritize
... charter says prioritize ←
15:12:43Shouldn't we make a table with row per feature and column per implementation, to enumerate SPARQL extensions do we have implemented already?
Ivan Mikhailov: Shouldn't we make a table with row per feature and column per implementation, to enumerate SPARQL extensions do we have implemented already? ←
15:12:57in a wiki
Ivan Mikhailov: in a wiki ←
15:12:59AxelPolleres: after 6 weeks we can close the feature set to stay on schedule
Axel Polleres: after 6 weeks we can close the feature set to stay on schedule ←
15:13:27Orri: Implemented extensions - will submit the prioritized extensions
Orri Erling: Implemented extensions - will submit the prioritized extensions ←
15:13:50LeeF: Want to gather what's out there
Lee Feigenbaum: Want to gather what's out there ←
15:14:02... inc popularity
... inc popularity ←
15:14:13... then juggle.
... then juggle. ←
15:14:32... Other deliverables: REC updates
... Other deliverables: REC updates ←
15:14:43... already one month late :-)
... already one month late :-) ←
15:14:48(Only??!!)
(Only??!!) ←
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topic: F2F
15:15:27LeeF: Travel may be an issue (economic issues)
Lee Feigenbaum: Travel may be an issue (economic issues) ←
15:15:33... likely less F2F
... likely less F2F ←
15:15:37q+
q+ ←
15:15:51q+
Steve Harris: q+ ←
15:15:54... first F2F around end of UC&R
... first F2F around end of UC&R ←
15:16:26ack AndyS_
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AndyS_ ←
15:16:37+1 to AndyS
Bijan Parsia: +1 to AndyS ←
15:16:53I've done a bunch of remote F2F participation
Bijan Parsia: I've done a bunch of remote F2F participation ←
15:17:12ack swh
Lee Feigenbaum: ack swh ←
15:17:15I'd even go down to bristol or host UK folks so we have some "nodes" of f2f particpating at weird hours
Bijan Parsia: I'd even go down to bristol or host UK folks so we have some "nodes" of f2f particpating at weird hours ←
15:17:16AndyS_: virtual F2F : will set aside time to attend properly even if remote
Andy Seaborne: virtual F2F : will set aside time to attend properly even if remote ←
15:17:33Manchester has a nice room for telepresence
Bijan Parsia: Manchester has a nice room for telepresence ←
15:17:40The "Access Grid"
Bijan Parsia: The "Access Grid" ←
15:17:53+1
Steve Harris: +1 ←
15:18:57may 5,6,7 is ok for me
Steve Harris: may 5,6,7 is ok for me ←
15:19:15LeeF: timing: 1st week May (5th May ish)
Lee Feigenbaum: timing: 1st week May (5th May ish) ←
15:19:31... Location: Boston
... Location: Boston ←
15:19:42Hi, i just got here. May 4-6 are best for me
Yimin Wang: Hi, i just got here. May 4-6 are best for me ←
15:19:45... maybe other links (e.g.UK)
... maybe other links (e.g.UK) ←
15:19:57it's Yimin from Lilly
Yimin Wang: it's Yimin from Lilly ←
15:20:02Not great for me
Bijan Parsia: Not great for me ←
15:20:19May 1-10 is not very convenient for me but I'm probably missing F2f anyway.
Ivan Mikhailov: May 1-10 is not very convenient for me but I'm probably missing F2f anyway. ←
15:20:25Looks OK at the moment
Looks OK at the moment ←
15:20:36Mon-tues much worse than wed-fri
Bijan Parsia: Mon-tues much worse than wed-fri ←
15:20:52(how many Lilly people are there in the WG?)
(how many Lilly people are there in the WG?) ←
15:21:22I think Susie and me here
Yimin Wang: I think Susie and me here ←
15:21:29Plus Phil and Jenna
Phil Brooks: Plus Phil and Jenna ←
15:21:51LeeF: will try for 5&6 May
Lee Feigenbaum: will try for 5&6 May ←
15:21:53Jenna, though, may not participate quite as often
Phil Brooks: Jenna, though, may not participate quite as often ←
15:21:58... will take to email
... will take to email ←
15:22:13Axel: WBS
Axel Polleres: WBS ←
15:23:18Hi Phil, I didn't notice you are here as well
Yimin Wang: Hi Phil, I didn't notice you are here as well ←
15:23:49LeeF: Comments and questions?
Lee Feigenbaum: Comments and questions? ←
topic: introductions to mailing list
15:24:14AxelPolleres: Self-intros to the list
Axel Polleres: Self-intros to the list ←
15:24:55Please all send self-introductions until next week.
Axel Polleres: Please all send self-introductions until next week. ←
15:25:07LeeF: Chairs will seek out editors for documents over time
Lee Feigenbaum: Chairs will seek out editors for documents over time ←
15:25:39End of meeting
End of meeting ←
15:26:39zakim, list attendees
Axel Polleres: zakim, list attendees ←
15:26:39As of this point the attendees have been AxelPolleres, Garlik, bijan, Lee_Feigenbaum, AndyS_, +1.518.276.aaaa, EricP, OpenLink, kasei, +1.415.371.aacc, Phil_Brooks, iv_an_ru,
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been AxelPolleres, Garlik, bijan, Lee_Feigenbaum, AndyS_, +1.518.276.aaaa, EricP, OpenLink, kasei, +1.415.371.aacc, Phil_Brooks, iv_an_ru, ←
15:26:42... daveNewman, alepas
Zakim IRC Bot: ... daveNewman, alepas ←
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