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<AndyS> PRESENT: AxelPolleres, swh, bijan, Lee_Feigenbaum, AndyS_, EricP, kasei, Phil_Brooks, iv_an_ru, daveNewman, alepas, susie, orri, ywang 14:22:48 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #sparql 14:22:48 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-sparql-irc 14:35:47 <LeeF> agenda +Introductions 14:35:53 <LeeF> agenda +Our charter and time line 14:35:59 <LeeF> agenda +What we all hope to get out of the working group 14:36:05 <LeeF> agenda +Scheduling teleconferences and a face-to-face meeting 14:37:20 <LeeF> zakim, who's here? 14:37:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see AxelPolleres, Garlik, bijan (muted), Lee_Feigenbaum, kasei, EricP, OpenLink, iv_an_ru, daveNewman, Phil_Brooks, alepas, AndyS_ 14:37:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see Phil, RRSAgent, Zakim, alepas, AndyS_, swh, kasei, AxelPolleres, iv_an_ru, bijan, AndyS, LeeF, ericP 14:38:53 <LeeF> Scribe: AndyS_ 14:39:28 <AndyS_> Topic: Introductions 14:39:28 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki 14:39:43 <AndyS_> Round the phone: 14:39:53 <AndyS_> Lee Feigenbaum 14:40:57 <AndyS_> Axel Polleres 14:41:26 <AndyS_> Lee and Axel are the group's co-chairs 14:41:36 <kasei> Axel, is there a way to do that through the conf. system? 14:41:49 <LeeF> kasei, you can type "zakim, mute me" 14:42:18 <AndyS_> Steve Harris 14:42:34 <AxelPolleres> kasei, type "Zakim, mute me" 14:42:36 <Susie> Susie has joined #sparql 14:43:14 <swh> "Luke Wilson-Mawer" 14:43:50 <bijan> zakim, unmute me 14:43:50 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted 14:43:55 <AndyS_> Bijan Parsia 14:44:01 <kasei> zakim, mute me 14:44:01 <Zakim> kasei should now be muted 14:45:10 <bijan> zakim, mute me 14:45:10 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted 14:45:13 <AxelPolleres> we'd kindly request people to also send intro mails to the mailing list, and also enter an introduction to the wiki (http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki). 14:45:16 <kasei> zakim, unmute me 14:45:16 <Zakim> kasei should no longer be muted 14:45:21 <AndyS_> Greg Williams 14:46:05 <kasei> zakim, mute me 14:46:05 <Zakim> kasei should now be muted 14:46:12 <AndyS_> Eric Prud'hommeaux 14:46:55 <AndyS_> W3C staff contacts: EricP and Ivan Herman 14:47:12 <AndyS_> Orri Erling 14:47:27 <AndyS_> Ivan Mikhailov 14:47:37 <AxelPolleres> orri and ivan on the same phone line (for attendees list) 14:48:14 <iv_an_ru> Orri is at Utrecht and I'm in Novosibirsk, I guess that lines differ. 14:49:39 <AndyS_> Dave Newman 14:50:11 <AndyS_> (Dan Schutzer not attending today) 14:51:02 <AndyS_> Phil Brooks 14:52:30 <Phil> Hi, Bijan! 14:52:33 <Phil> Jenna Zhou 14:53:00 <AndyS_> Alex Passant 14:53:33 <LeeF> Andy Seaborne 14:53:37 <AxelPolleres> On http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=35463 I don't see yet all of the people here. 14:54:04 <bijan> +1 to AndyS speed point 14:54:16 <swh> +1 14:55:55 <bijan> Oops. Manchester is likely to have a second person as well, someone who's been heavily involved with a joint UManchester/Seimans project 14:56:10 <AndyS_> HP will be represented by two people: Andy Seaborne and Ahmed Ezzat 14:57:16 <AndyS_> topic: Weekly telecon : discussion on timing <LeeF> summary: Weekly teleconference to be held at 10:00 ET (15:00 UTC most of the year) 14:57:43 <AndyS_> Issue: PST is 06:30 and we have people on the west coast 14:58:01 <AxelPolleres> (when typing, please mute yourselves) 14:58:32 <AndyS_> Also clash with RIF calls just after SPARQL 14:58:48 <AndyS_> LeeF: Meetings usually an hour 14:59:17 <AndyS_> Dave: 7am is OK 14:59:38 <Zakim> -daveNewman 15:00:11 <AndyS_> LeeF: Suggestion 15:00Z 15:00:34 <bijan> zakim, unmute me 15:00:34 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted 15:00:35 <AndyS_> AxelPolleres: then limits me to one hour due to RIF 15:01:11 <AndyS_> 15:00Z = 10am EST = 7am PST until clocks change 15:01:33 <AndyS_> Bijan: teach some of those slots but UManchester will have two people. 15:01:34 <bijan> zakim, mute me 15:01:40 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted 15:01:57 <bijan> I appreciate the chairs consideration 15:02:30 <AndyS_> LeeF: Days other than Tuesday is tricky for chairs/staff contacts 15:02:47 <bijan> If the chairs are willing for asynch feedback from me on the days that I can't attend, I would be grateful 15:02:55 <AndyS_> Phil: 10am OK but Singapore would be a problem. 15:02:56 <LeeF> Very happy for async feedback 15:04:04 <LeeF> agenda? 15:04:06 <AndyS_> LeeF: For now, 15:00Z telecons -- 10am EST -- 7am PST 15:04:39 <swh> http://www.w3.org/2009/01/sparql-charter 15:04:58 <AndyS_> topic: Charter discussion 15:05:12 <AndyS_> LeeF: 18 months running time. 15:05:24 <AndyS_> ... key point 15:05:39 <AndyS_> ... RECs from last time (QL, Protocol, Results) 15:06:20 <AndyS_> ... also JSON Results format -- WG Note 15:07:00 <AndyS_> ... charter for adding key features for users; things that have been impelemnted and used sufficiently widely 15:07:31 <AndyS_> ... all SPARQL v1 queries shouldl be the same 15:07:48 <AndyS_> ... scope suggestions: 15:07:52 <AndyS_> ... update and delete 15:08:11 <AndyS_> ... aggregate functions 15:08:24 <AndyS_> ... new filters and functions 15:08:37 <AndyS_> ... interoperability (e.g. service description) 15:08:50 <AndyS_> ... describe inference regime 15:08:59 <AndyS_> ... make DESCRIBE more interoperable 15:09:13 <AndyS_> ... (was non-normative in REC) 15:09:25 <AndyS_> ... consider an XML syntax for SPARQL 15:09:57 <swh> (project named expressions was missed I think) 15:10:00 <AndyS_> ... next week : round table for members to state what they see needed 15:10:36 <AndyS_> EricP: Do some to meet schedule then flesh out if more time 15:11:00 <AndyS_> LeeF: step one is UC&R (2 minths - maybe 6 weeks) will fix the features 15:11:15 <AndyS_> ... charter says prioritize 15:12:43 <iv_an_ru> Shouldn't we make a table with row per feature and column per implementation, to enumerate SPARQL extensions do we have implemented already? 15:12:57 <iv_an_ru> in a wiki 15:12:59 <AndyS_> AxelPolleres: after 6 weeks we can close the feature set to stay on schedule 15:13:27 <AndyS_> Orri: Implemented extensions - will submit the prioritized extensions 15:13:50 <AndyS_> LeeF: Want to gather what's out there 15:14:02 <AndyS_> ... inc popularity 15:14:13 <AndyS_> ... then juggle. 15:14:32 <AndyS_> ... Other deliverables: REC updates 15:14:43 <AndyS_> ... already one month late :-) 15:14:48 <AndyS_> (Only??!!) 15:15:02 <ywang4> ywang4 has joined #sparql <AndyS> topic: F2F 15:15:27 <AndyS_> LeeF: Travel may be an issue (economic issues) 15:15:33 <AndyS_> ... likely less F2F 15:15:37 <AndyS_> q+ 15:15:51 <swh> q+ 15:15:54 <AndyS_> ... first F2F around end of UC&R 15:16:26 <LeeF> ack AndyS_ 15:16:37 <bijan> +1 to AndyS 15:16:53 <bijan> I've done a bunch of remote F2F participation 15:17:12 <LeeF> ack swh 15:17:15 <bijan> I'd even go down to bristol or host UK folks so we have some "nodes" of f2f particpating at weird hours 15:17:16 <AndyS_> AndyS_: virtual F2F : will set aside time to attend properly even if remote 15:17:33 <bijan> Manchester has a nice room for telepresence 15:17:40 <bijan> The "Access Grid" 15:17:53 <swh> +1 15:18:57 <swh> may 5,6,7 is ok for me 15:19:15 <AndyS_> LeeF: timing: 1st week May (5th May ish) 15:19:31 <AndyS_> ... Location: Boston 15:19:42 <ywang4> Hi, i just got here. May 4-6 are best for me 15:19:45 <AndyS_> ... maybe other links (e.g.UK) 15:19:57 <ywang4> it's Yimin from Lilly 15:20:02 <bijan> Not great for me 15:20:19 <iv_an_ru> May 1-10 is not very convenient for me but I'm probably missing F2f anyway. 15:20:25 <AndyS_> Looks OK at the moment 15:20:36 <bijan> Mon-tues much worse than wed-fri 15:20:52 <AndyS_> (how many Lilly people are there in the WG?) 15:21:22 <ywang4> I think Susie and me here 15:21:29 <Phil> Plus Phil and Jenna 15:21:51 <AndyS_> LeeF: will try for 5&6 May 15:21:53 <Phil> Jenna, though, may not participate quite as often 15:21:58 <AndyS_> ... will take to email 15:22:13 <AndyS_> Axel: WBS 15:23:18 <ywang4> Hi Phil, I didn't notice you are here as well 15:23:49 <AndyS_> LeeF: Comments and questions? <LeeF> topic: introductions to mailing list 15:24:14 <AndyS_> AxelPolleres: Self-intros to the list 15:24:55 <AxelPolleres> Please all send self-introductions until next week. 15:25:07 <AndyS_> LeeF: Chairs will seek out editors for documents over time 15:25:39 <AndyS_> End of meeting 15:26:39 <AxelPolleres> zakim, list attendees 15:26:39 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been AxelPolleres, Garlik, bijan, Lee_Feigenbaum, AndyS_, +1.518.276.aaaa, EricP, OpenLink, kasei, +1.415.371.aacc, Phil_Brooks, iv_an_ru, 15:26:42 <Zakim> ... daveNewman, alepas