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<trackbot> Date: 22 December 2009
<laurent_oz> Laurent just joined
<Holger> ScribeNick: krzysztof_j
<michael> I said my bit on the mailing list
kerry: use cases should overlap, structuring into modules may not be helpful
<scribe> ACTION: close module issue [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/22-ssn-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - close
<scribe> ACTION: laurent_oz to close module issue [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/22-ssn-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - laurent_oz
kerry: extension for incubator group may be difficult to get
<scribe> ACTION: all to contribute to the (final) report [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/22-ssn-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - all
manfred: could we define an outline and propose names
holger: check the reports at
... next topic --> discussion on the basic concepts of the O&M ontology
michael reports on O&M ontology
<michael> no can't hear you
<laurent_oz> Two meanings for sensor (cleared in email thread), process (cleared in email thread), and device (generic product vs. instrument)
<michael> my sound keeps dropping out - anyone else???
<Manfred_DERI> sound quality is bad but no dropouts here
<laurent_oz> Terms I use are defined here: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/SWE_terms
<Holger> my sound's fine
manfred: same for me
<Danh_DERI> same from my side
<kerry> i can't hear well enough
luis: vote on "systems and processes are not connected (in the ontology)"
(1) Process <= System
(2) System <= Process
(3) state nothing
(4) Process disjoing System
manfred: go for (3) for the moment
<Danh_DERI> +1 for (3)
holger: who agrees on (3)?
kerry: option 3 for the moment or as stable solution
<laurent_oz> +1 for (3)
<laurent_oz> Has anyone noticed my ideas on core ontology vs. presentation ontology? Can we do (4) in the core and keep (3) for the presentation ontology
michael: human sensors = observers
<laurent_oz> Manfred question: do we need obsever?
manfred: sensing is a process and a sensor implements the process
MAnfred: what is a AdHocObserver?
<kerry> i can'thear danh
<Manfred_DERI> I am sorry, but I will have to drop out in 10min the latest
michael: rename the class names ( we have too much connotations for the *terms/labels*)
holger: do we agree on the structure?
me: difficult to answer
but then we need short definitions (at the moment these issues are distributed over many mails, maybe use the wiki for it?)
<Manfred_DERI> good idea
<michael> I think I'd try to remove Observer
<laurent_oz> +1 on having textual definitions *every time*
<michael> too many people had problems with it - I'll try to think of a better word
<Bermudez_Luis> simple stucture and definitions
<kerry> next meeting!?
<Manfred_DERI> Merry X-mas to everyone!!
<Manfred_DERI> AN a Happy New Year!
<Danh_DERI> merry X-mas and happy new year
<michael> Merry Cristmas ... ho ho ho
<kerry> and have a great holiday!
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