<trackbot> Date: 22 December 2009

<laurent_oz> Laurent just joined

<Holger> ScribeNick: krzysztof_j

<michael> I said my bit on the mailing list

kerry: use cases should overlap, structuring into modules may not be helpful

<laurent_oz> -1

<laurent_oz> +1

<Manfred_DERI> -1

<Holger> -1

<michael> -1

<kerry> -1

<Bermudez_Luis> -1

<scribe> ACTION: close module issue [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/22-ssn-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - close

<scribe> ACTION: laurent_oz to close module issue [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/22-ssn-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - laurent_oz

<Holger> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/XGR/

kerry: extension for incubator group may be difficult to get

<scribe> ACTION: all to contribute to the (final) report [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/22-ssn-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - all

<Manfred_DERI> +q

manfred: could we define an outline and propose names

holger: check the reports at http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/XGR/ for inspiration
... next topic --> discussion on the basic concepts of the O&M ontology

<kerry> +q

michael reports on O&M ontology

<laurent_oz> +q

<michael> no can't hear you

<laurent_oz> Two meanings for sensor (cleared in email thread), process (cleared in email thread), and device (generic product vs. instrument)

+q

<michael> my sound keeps dropping out - anyone else???

<Manfred_DERI> sound quality is bad but no dropouts here

<laurent_oz> Terms I use are defined here: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/SWE_terms

<Bermudez_Luis> +q

<Holger> my sound's fine

manfred: same for me

<Danh_DERI> same from my side

<kerry> i can't hear well enough

luis: vote on "systems and processes are not connected (in the ontology)"

<michael> +q

options

(1) Process <= System

<Manfred_DERI> +q

(2) System <= Process

(3) state nothing

(4) Process disjoing System

manfred: go for (3) for the moment

<Danh_DERI> +1 for (3)

<Holger> http://etherpad.com/zyMhasUHgf

holger: who agrees on (3)?

<Bermudez_Luis> +1

kerry: option 3 for the moment or as stable solution

<Holger> +1

<michael> +1

<Manfred_DERI> +1

<Arthur> +1

<kerry> +1

<david> +1

+1

<laurent_oz> +1 for (3)

<laurent_oz> Has anyone noticed my ideas on core ontology vs. presentation ontology? Can we do (4) in the core and keep (3) for the presentation ontology

<michael> +q

<Manfred_DERI> +q

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<Bermudez_Luis> +q

michael: human sensors = observers

=q

<Manfred_DERI> -q

<kerry> +q

<laurent_oz> Manfred question: do we need obsever?

manfred: sensing is a process and a sensor implements the process

<Manfred_DERI> +q

<Bermudez_Luis> +q

<kerry> -q

MAnfred: what is a AdHocObserver?

<michael> +q

<Danh_DERI> +q

<michael> +q

<kerry> i can'thear danh

<Bermudez_Luis> +q

<michael> +q

<Manfred_DERI> I am sorry, but I will have to drop out in 10min the latest

<Manfred_DERI> +q

michael: rename the class names ( we have too much connotations for the *terms/labels*)

holger: do we agree on the structure?

me: difficult to answer

<michael> +q

<kerry> +q

but then we need short definitions (at the moment these issues are distributed over many mails, maybe use the wiki for it?)

<Bermudez_Luis> +q

<Manfred_DERI> good idea

<michael> I think I'd try to remove Observer

<laurent_oz> +1 on having textual definitions *every time*

<michael> too many people had problems with it - I'll try to think of a better word

<Bermudez_Luis> simple stucture and definitions

<Manfred_DERI> +1

<michael> +1

<kerry> +1

<Danh_DERI> +

<kerry> next meeting!?

<Manfred_DERI> Merry X-mas to everyone!!

<Manfred_DERI> AN a Happy New Year!

<Danh_DERI> merry X-mas and happy new year

bye

<michael> Merry Cristmas ... ho ho ho

<laurent_oz> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Review_of_semantic_annotation_proposals

<kerry> and have a great holiday!

<kerry> bye

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