MW4D IG bi-monthly meeting

21 Dec 2009


See also: IRC log


Stephane Boyera (W3C), Betty Purwandari (Univ. of Southampton), Ken Banks (kiwanja.net), Renjish Kumar (Invited Expert), Arun Kumar (IBM)




Approval of last meeting minutes



Update on roadmap publication



republished as dec 8 with pdf version



Discussion on the future of MW4D

renjish: extension ?

steph: yes the group has been extended till of february
... current charter til the end of feb and then new charter for another 12 months


ken: ok pretty good

you did a great great job

arun: 2 things missing

how do we link with the goals of the Web Foundation

what is the concrete outcome we are expecting

<nicolas> hi all, nicolas here, will follow via IRC

hi nicolas

Renjish: add value to what exists already
... what is our goal exactly

steph: objectives not a repository but a landscaoe analysis

renjish: should be clarified

we should mention it somethwere

avoid discussion that there is nothing new

differencing information from insight

ken: we should clarify exactly how we differ from others

should be clear how we differentiate

ken: analysis of the landscape and decide how to measure them

<kiwanja> http://www.kiwanja.net/blog/2009/11/our-social-mobile-line-in-the-sand/

few people answering the poll

this would open the domain

not sure you would get cooperation from others

betty: agreed

<betty> How to grow & maintain community of MW4D application developers & other actors. Most of them may not join the MW4D group. How to encourage them to share their knowledge. Ken is very good at it :) But developers in developing countries tend not to write documentation. If they write, they usually write in their mother tongues, which are mostly not well-known la

<kiwanja> (sorry, didn't add myself to the queue!)

<kiwanja> :P

betty: issue people are not joining

<kiwanja> not everyone joins MW4D group, so we need to bring others in somehow

<kiwanja> not all mobile/development people are good at sharing and explaining their work

<kiwanja> (both via betty)

<kiwanja> i think we need to figure out how me motivate people to engage - what's in it for them? etc

<kiwanja> may also need to engage users, rather than just developers/development 'experts'

<kiwanja> (via steph)

ken: motivation is key

not that much group which are successfull

<nicolas> might be also in the way we develop these apps (co-design, co-creation)

even mobileactive, lots of follower few contributors

no real successful community

<kiwanja> www.shareideas.org

ken: very few people are publicly meeting
... nobody is supporting it

so it collapses

only technical community are active

<kiwanja> http://frontlinesms.ning.com/

this is where your go for support

or getting info

ken: mobile community

how active it is is the point

building a community around tools better than around mobile

renjish: a discussion forum might be better

maybe people woulod be more active

having more than 10 people to contribute

is a challenge

<kiwanja> the best forums put out controversial subjects which then encourages people to argue their point. general discussions have little motivation for many people...

good to have a better involvment of the people on the mailig-list

ken: agreed

renjish: critical mass needed to create value to the discussion

ken: look at others how they work
... you have to be provocative

renjish: coming to the community with discussions

not being informative only

lively debate on the phone

<betty> Motivation to keep a community alive: provide specific technical supports, be provocative or controversial.

<nicolas2> extend also to non-technical topics? business model? scaling up strategy?

Next meeting

<betty> Jan 4 will be OK.

<Renjish> ok

January 4

<ArunKumar> Fine with me

<nicolas2> ok

<betty> Merry Xmas, Happy New Year, Happy Holiday :)

<ArunKumar> New Year and Merry Christmas to all !

<ArunKumar> bye

<Renjish> wishing all a very happy xmas and new year 2010

<Renjish> bye

<betty> bye

Nicolas: feel free to send a mail to the list

with some ideas along the lines you mentionned

<nicolas2> ok

(buseiness model, scaling up)


we could discuss it during next conf

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