<pimpbot> planet: Chromium Blog: Web Sockets Now Available In Google Chrome <11http://blog.chromium.org/2009/12/web-sockets-now-available-in-google.html>
<MikeSmith> @tell mjs please ping me when you get back around
<pimpbot> MikeSmith: You got it, player.
<pimpbot> planet: HTML5 localStorage & SQL <11http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1878256/html5-localstorage-sql>
<pimpbot> mjs: Sent 1 hour and 38 minutes ago: <MikeSmith> please ping me when you get back around
<annevk> Julian, it looks like you did not read what Ian wrote...
<Hixie> i often feel like i'm arguing with people who are just arguing with a caricature of what i am arguing
<Hixie> like what i'm saying is too subtle so they decide they should simplify it and argue against that
<annevk> maybe you're too complex :p
<Hixie> that's not what i hear :-P
<pimpbot> planet: A busy Chrome week: Extensions, Web Sockets, and more <11http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ajaxian/~3/1e11i6E1mOo/a-busy-chrome-week-extensions-web-sockets-and-more>
<Julian> Anne, be more specific please.
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 8264] Fix terminology for "resource", "representation", "retrieval" <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Dec/0118.html>
<Hixie> Julian: i won't be replying to your e-mail, because there's nothing there to reply to, you're just contradicting everything i say without taking it into account
<Hixie> you even contradicted me when i said that we didn't always use the word "resource" to mean "bag of bits"
<Hixie> so clearly you're not actually taking part in a good faith attempt to reach agreement
<Julian> Hixie, you "clearly" didn't consider that I may just have misread what you said
<Julian> so, it appears you con't claim "resource == bag of bits" anymore?
<Hixie> i did consider that you may have misread it... both anne and I actually suggested that you misread it... and you denied it. so, yeah, i am done discussing this with you.
<Julian> well, whatever. Errors happen. I corrected this one.
<pimpbot> changes: hixie: typo fix (whatwg r4428) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Dec/0019.html>
<J_Voracek> My regrets; I have an unexpected matter I need to tend to. Please excuse me from today's conference. Thank you!
<pimpbot> changes: hixie: Make the note about 'display' not affecting <object> broader. (whatwg r4429) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Dec/0020.html>
<pimpbot> planet: WebSocket for HTML5 <11http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1253683/websocket-for-html5>
<pimpbot> changes: hixie: webidl typo (whatwg r4432) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2009Dec/0021.html>
<rubys> trackbot, start meeting
<trackbot> Date: 10 December 2009
<scribe> scribenick: manu
rssagent, make logs public
rssagent, draft minutes
<mjs> hi!
<paulc> agenda link?
<rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2009OctDec/0021.html
<pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-10-29: action items, calls for consensus/proposals, task forces from Sam Ruby on 2009-12-09 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from October to December 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
<pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-10-29: action items, calls for consensus/proposals, task forces from Sam Ruby on 2009-12-09 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from October to December 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
ACTION-159?
<trackbot> ACTION-159 -- Adrian Bateman to document Extensibility Use Case for Editors on Wiki -- due 2009-12-10 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/159
<pimpbot> Title: ACTION-159 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
ACTION-127?
<trackbot> ACTION-127 -- Maciej Stachowiak to establish process for "official WG response" to other WG's RFC on LC drafts -- due 2009-12-10 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/127
<pimpbot> Title: ACTION-127 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
Maciej: my plan is to collect and
write up the procedure that Paul came up with and make some
small adjustments.
... namely, to make clear that feedback has been made by the
group.
... I'll circulate, hope to have it done by today.
Sam: Due date the 17th?
Maciej: That's good.
ISSUE-76?
<trackbot> ISSUE-76 -- Concerns about Microdata section and inclusion/exclusion of RDFa -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/76
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-76 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
<rubys> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html
Sam: We've got a recent one for ping
<pimpbot> Title: Change Proposal Status (at dev.w3.org)
Sam: Anybody want to talk about
ping-post pingui?
... HTML versioning?
... moving through these until we get to Microdata...
... Table Summary?
... URLs webarch?
... DT/DD semantics?
... The next action will be that the chairs will be calling for
counter-proposals.
ISSUE-76?
<trackbot> ISSUE-76 -- Concerns about Microdata section and inclusion/exclusion of RDFa -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/76
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-76 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
Maciej: Will be sending survey
out
... This is not a poll/vote - just a final chance for people to
state that they have an objection.
... We don't have concensus on a particular option... we so
chairs have to pick one that has least powerful
objection.
... No need to repeat things that have been stated by
others.
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 8470] The "Running a script" section has "If either:" and 3 bullets; should be "If:". <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Dec/0120.html> 4** [Bug 8472] New: Reference http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-style-attr/ now that's in a useful state [ms] <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Dec/0119.html>
Manu: Draft 4 is the one that's going out to the poll?
Sam: We have 3 that are due on
the 17ht
... ISSUEs 27, 87, and 88
Paul: I need to coordinate with
Mark Nottingham
... I'll evaluate the situation early next week. Maciej asked
if I could do 17th... will re-evaluate after speaking with
mnot.
Sam: There are 5 new Calls for
Proposals, due mid-Jan.
... if they catch your interest, please put out a proposal.
Paul: Is issue 74 owned by a11y task force?
Laura: I think it is.
<kliehm> There has been a good response to Issue-88 by i18n WG, if you put an action on me I can try to phrase a change proposal
Paul: maybe we should ask that task force when they will have that proposal done?
Laura: I know there is work going
on on this...
... We've been busy with ARIA... don't know if they're ready to
produce a change proposal.
Sam: Haven't heard of a new
date...
... I don't hear anybody saying they can't make Jan 16th.
Paul: They're working on ARIA right now, not on canvas accessibility
Laura: Can we ask Rich if he's going to make it?
Paul: I think we should explicitly ask the TF to respond to that thread.
Sam: A member of that TF did respond and said he could do it by that date.
Paul: Let's move on
ISSUE-79?
<trackbot> ISSUE-79 -- Meta/@name=keywords should be specified (and made conforming) -- RAISED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/79
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-79 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
ISSUE-89?
<trackbot> ISSUE-89 does not exist
<Julian> ISSUE-81?
<trackbot> ISSUE-81 -- Offline Web Applications section should use the term "representation" instead of "resource" -- RAISED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/81
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-81 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
Sam: Any feedback on these calls for proposal
Sam: Going through these, let me
know if you want to discuss.
... If we don't hear back any objections in the next week,
we'll declare consensus
... No new issues this week
Sam: a11y Task Force?
Laura: Seems to be getting ramped
up
... We've had good traction, seem to be moving forward.
Sam: Testing Task Force?
... anybody on call from TTF?
... Cliff said he wouldn't be able to make the call
... He said 10 people attended TTF...
... Opera, Mozilla, Microsoft attended the meeting - they're
meeting again on the 22nd.
Adrian: I was on the call
... Most of the discussion was around infrastructure - tracker,
source control, etc.
... Discussion around metadata for Test Cases - general
agreement that TCs would be done by creating folders at
first
... we'll discuss metadata later on.
Sam: Scribe for the next
meeting?
... silence...
Sam: Not having telecons on 24th or 31st. Dec 17th will be our last one.
Paul: Any time between Christmas and New Year is problematic...
Sam: 17th is the last meeting of the year
Paul: Yes. Next meeting probably on Jan 7th.
Sam: Any last comments?
... Meeting adjourned.
<Laura> bye
<pimpbot> Title: HTML Weekly Teleconference -- 10 Dec 2009 (at www.w3.org)
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