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<tmichel> Hello everyone ...
<joakim> David are you on the phoen bridge aswell?
hi all, sorry I'm late
<scribe> scribe: pchampin
Joakim: next week will be the last telecon before Xmas holiday
<trackbot> ACTION-154 -- Joakim Söderberg to ask dave about the relationship of digital data exchange with Apple stuff, ID3, iTunesXML, etc -- due 2009-09-15 -- OPEN
Joakim: I had a discussion with Dave
<trackbot> ACTION-154 Ask dave about the relationship of digital data exchange with Apple stuff, ID3, iTunesXML, etc closed
<trackbot> ACTION-169 -- Véronique Malaisé to veronique to update text on in scope formats in ontology doc (formats not in mapping table) -- due 2009-11-12 -- OPEN
<trackbot> ACTION-169 veronique to update text on in scope formats in ontology doc (formats not in mapping table) closed
<trackbot> ACTION-172 -- Véronique Malaisé to rewrite intro to be clear on what we mean by ontology -- due 2009-11-12 -- OPEN
under review by the co-editors
<trackbot> ACTION-172 rewrite intro to be clear on what we mean by ontology closed
<trackbot> ACTION-174 check if ontology document says that type of mapping specifies if there is a loss in semantics closed
<trackbot> ACTION-176 -- Joakim Söderberg to contact browser implementors to review the API document -- due 2009-11-13 -- OPEN
Joakim: I sent a mail to Dave. We also got a reply from Opera.
<trackbot> ACTION-176 Contact browser implementors to review the API document closed
<trackbot> ACTION-175 -- Felix Sasaki to define data type mappings as soon as the data types for the formats are defined -- due 2009-11-12 -- OPEN
text has been included
<trackbot> ACTION-185 email@example.com to ask pling wg to provide text on including policy information closed
<trackbot> ACTION-189 -- Tobias Bürger to work on the the subproperties (http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Sub_Types) -- due 2009-11-13 -- OPEN
Joakim: is this still relevant?
Werner: it has been
... we can keep it as a reminder
Joakim: can we change the description of this action?
Werner: the decision is to handle
subproperties in a generic way
... and may be in the future define specific subproperties.
Updated ACTION-189 to mark it "postponed"
<tmichel> the Requirements document seems to be here http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-req/mediaont-req.html
<tmichel> at least it is the one linked from the WG home page
<trackbot> ACTION-192 -- Joakim Söderberg to and everyone to review the Requirements document before 1/12 -- due 2009-12-01 -- OPEN
Wonsuk: we got some feedback on
... we will issue a new version next tuesday
<trackbot> ACTION-192 And everyone to review the Requirements document before 1/12 closed
Joakim: I remind everyone to take time to update their table
Wonsuk: I tried to update the
table with Amaya, but I failed.
... can you remind the details to gain access to the file?
Thierry: get in touch with me, I'll give you the details.
<joakim> Wonsuk: the trick is to get the link correct:
Thierry: the WG homepage has 2
... documents in WG space, and drafts in developments
... I will remove the mapping tables from the 2nd section
... because we are now working on the version from the WG space.
<joakim> This is the current version.
Werner: the version from the draft was exported from XLS
Thierry: we have decided to stop
working on the XLS, and edit the XHTML direcectly
... in the WG space;
... so I will remove the one in "drats", which is frozen and outdated.
... (both HTML and XLS files)
... I will check that we do not lose any information in the process.
... I will also remove the Ontology document from the WG space,
... since we do not work on this one.
... Hence each document will be present at exactly one place
... which will avoid confusion.
action tmichel to send a mail to the group explaining the different document spaces and why some documents are to be removed
<trackbot> Created ACTION-200 - Send a mail to the group explaining the different document spaces and why some documents are to be removed [on Thierry Michel - due 2009-12-15].
<trackbot> ACTION-199 Daniel to check availability of phone conference bridge and send info to joakim closed
Wonsuk summarizes the current state of the document.
Joakim: the test suite should be
ready by the time we have the specification issued
... Does Thierry has any recommendation about how to proceed?
Thierry: experience from other
... identify functionalities
... provide test for each functionality
... assign two people to each functionality
... so that each can verify that the test is correct
... Another solution :
... some company have test suites for testing their own implementations
... Quite different from the W3C approach, where each test is expected to be quite atomic.
The goal is to make sure that two implementors will interpret the functionality the same way
scribe: and implement it in an
... So there should be 1 test <-> 1 functionality
Joakim: will our test be made complicated by the fact that we envision both client-side and server-side implementations?
... so the same test could be applied to client-side and server-side implementations.
pchampin: +1 to Werner
Thierry: we don't need an
implementation that passes all the tests.
... one product can pass only 1/2 tests, another product only 1/3
... The requirement is that *each* test has 2 implementations that pass it.
... Or we can not become CR.
But there is no requirement for an implementation passing 100% tests.
pchampin: that is an important distinction, indeed.
Thierry: once we agree that the
specification is stable enough,
... then we should list functionalities and assign people to test cases.
... We should start to do this in last call.
... But this is a very busy phase : lot of comments to be processed.
Joakim: hopefuly, the spec will be quite stable by the next F2F.
Thierry: the question of the test suites should be raised at the F2F.
<joakim> agree, can't access it either!
seems to last...
thierry, are you still there?
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