W3C

HTML5 Task Force

08 Dec 2009

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Plh, Mike, Kris, Adrian, Anne, Jonathan, Goeffrey
Regrets
Chair
Kris
Scribe
Kris

Contents


 

 

Kris: lets get going. thanks for showing up, to the first meeting

Items setup CVS, Bugzilla, tracker

plh: CVS - status w3c system team working on something besides CVS (longterm). System folks are still debating over git vs Mercurial. participants here might be more familiar with the use mercurial.

Kris: Will this work for folks in the long term?

<gsnedders> And I know the general preference is within Opera in Mercurial

Anne: Mercurial will work for opera

ACTION: plh to come back with a status update for moving away from CVS

plh: We have a tracker but not the irc bot yet. http://www.w3.org/html/wg/test/track/

Kris: Can we get a wiki setup? I'll take an action to setup some basic content on the wiki

Mike: OK, I can get it set up this week at http://www.w3.org/html/wg/test/wiki

krisk:Other infra items? besides moving away from CVS - we should be all set with infrastructure items

metadata for tests

Kris: Call to have one or more folks create sample test cases for the group

<gsnedders> There's all the html5lib tests

krisk: Lets add list of links to the wiki?

Anne:http://esw.w3.org/topic/HtmlTestMaterial

<gsnedders> Some of that is outdated, though

Kris: anyone want to voluneer for updating wiki with this information?

<jgriffin> I'll update it

<gsnedders> http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Test_cases

<gsnedders> http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Testsuite

krisk: good to have one spot with all the various test case

<plh> http://omocha.w3.org/wiki/newformat

<jgriffin> yes, I agree

Kris: csswg seems to have agreement on this type of format

plh: not necessarily optimal for htmlwg since having the metadata in the test can temper it

Kris: as the spec changes this format will be tough to keep up

<jgraham> I think that format has too many requirements per file

plh: It depends on what we're trying to achieve with the metadata as wel. Going from the spec to the tests?

Kris: agree

<gsnedders> The other problem is a lot of tests like HTML parsing tests test a large part of the spec

Kris: having meta data in each test case won't work [parser example]
... the 3 items we need to track are pointer back to spec, harness, test case status (submitted, reviewed, invalid, approved)

plh: would be nice to have a link back to the spec

krisk: as the spec changes we'll never keep the test up to pointing back to the spec

<gsnedders> Relying upon section numbers seems terrible (As they are highly volitale)

<annevk> gsnedders, yeah, we should prolly get stable IDs for sections

<gsnedders> Or just rely upon section names, as they're far more stable

<MikeSmith> I wonder if we if should try to put together a canonical list of section names/feature names

<annevk> MikeSmith, would be nice for people giving presentations :)

<MikeSmith> using section number probably ain't good, as gsnedders points out

krisk: sounds like with a canonical list and folders we can close this item?
... I'll take an action item to post this to the wiki
... format /submitted/featurename/submitter/harness/tests /submitted/parser/microsoft/reftest/parser01.htm

other items?

next meeting technically is 12/22 - does this work for folks?

plh: lets only meet if we have items to talk about

krisk: agree

Summary of Action Items

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