<andrew> please review http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-age/2009OctDec/0029.html and respond if required
AA: Change the order Shadi has to
leave early
... Shadi take over
Shadi: Who has not had a chance to read the doc
Jack: had not looked at it very close
<andrew> -> target audience http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/changelogs/cl-adapt-strat.html#audience
Shadi: please go to the changelog
and look at audience
... IF you go down this road we'll end up with a big
encyclopedia
... we would use this doc as starting point and and lead to
other documents
... This is how we think it should be set up any comments
William: any thoughts about how to set up the document
Shadi: already many resources out
there e.g. BBC, and this kind of documents very difficult to
maintain
... even BBC doc is not up to date and even this doc will be
difficult to maintain
... Title - very long we want to split it up
Pierre: Question is the word Accessible ..... Is it clear that this is more a list of references than the resources themselves?
Shadi: very often when some (e.g.
older people) see the word accessible they think it is not
about them
...
this is still draft - suggestions very
welcome
AA: what was the previous title?
<shadi> Making Web Browsing More Enjoyable
<shadi> - Ways to Customize Your Computer System
Shadi: Some thing like
configuring your system or something
... but we decided it was more than
customizing
Shadi: 2 comments at the f2f more
than enjoyable and it is more than customize e.g. using an
alternative keyboard
... suggest, send comments to the list
<andrew> title options: improved web browsing ...
Shadi: any other brainstorm ideas or reactions
William:'accessible' might be misleading
Shadi: Idea might be a better word
<andrew> title: Ways of using ... > Ideas for using ...
Darren: agree that 'idea' is a better word
Shadi: remember to send any ideas
to the list or me or Andrew
... lets look at introduction
... using words like outline any comments?
... Pierre said links might be better because the doc links to
other resources
Pierre: there are 3 kind of
contents in the doc:
...
quick summarize of concerns
...
suggestions
for solutions
...
and the third some documented solutions
Shadi: the solutions are very few
examples and I don't want to emphasize this
... Maybe better to say that it does not include a step-by-step
guide but link to other resources
Shadi will take a new look
Shadi: apart from saying not a step-by-step guide what else?
Jack: .... we are talking about more general things and say go to information about your specific browser
Shadi: other comments on introduction?
William: also point out that people are a useful resource to ask for help from
Shadi: Lets move to Explore your computer system
Shadi: Saying learn about your computer
first and link to very basic resources
... maybe include learn from other individuals
William: also more experienced individuals
Shadi: other comments?
... lets look at he next section as example of the following
sections
... Section Difficult seeing and reading websites
...
hope that there will be more references and
links to more resources, so that when you find the information
that works for you you
...
get more links to resources that addresses you
questions
William: will we be able to find enough detail to link to?
Shadi: the example about keyboard
controls have many resources I'm more concerned about other
examples where is is more difficult to find good
resources
... other comments on any other parts of the doc
William: what about including suggestions in other sections, e.g. ctrl-A for changing colour
Shadi: we tweak the title and the
introduction to better describe the content
...
Do you think (all) that this describes what we
want to accomplish with this doc?
Shadi: besides the title and introduction it seems that we are almost there please send any comments as soon as possible
AA: other homework send in references to links that you think should be considered in this doc and references
<shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/responding/
AA: how does the new title
work
...
including for translations
Pierre: looks like 2 titles
...
problems when it looks like 2 titles there are
2 ideas
Shadi: agree with Pierre
William: thought approaching is a subtitle
AA: is it 2 ideas still if we take as a title/subtitle
Pierre: Approaching is more precise and clear and might be better as the main title
AA: good idea, this is maybe what the doc is for
Darren: "Approaching
Organizations with Inaccessible Websites to Encourage
Accessibility"
...
can we put encouraging ..
at the end of the title
Shadi: Approaching sounds more positive than reporting
Jack: agree with Shadi
AA: do we need encouraging in the end?
<andrew> william: maybe there is a series of 'encouraging accessibility' docs
AA: any other ideas
... go to Overview - does it give a good idea of what to find
in the this doc
... does it give you a starting point?
William: it tells them what you're going tell them
Pierre: like the presentation and focus on short ideas
<Shadi: Use the sample emails > Use the sample emails provided below
AA: also introduced a note in the
overview
... the note is an attempt to encourage people to send a
positive note if something is good or even if you get a positive
response
Shadi: might be good sometimes to
let people know that their efforts are appreciated
...
when someone is trying to do the right thing
even though they are not there yet let them know
<andrew> scribe: darren
<andrew> scribenick: darren
andrew: Will work on the wording
on sending notes of appreciation to organisations that fix
problems
... Jump to the key contacts section. What do people think of
the way this section is expressed
... no comments so assume this is fine.
...
Look at "What Computer
System are You Using?" subsection.
...
Made some changes to the
text and added a note about personal information. Any
comments?
... text has been tightened up.
Suzette: Sentence "Never disclose personal information such as passwords..." is good but it breaks up the flow of this section. Can it go below the table or another section?
William: Agrees
Andrew: Section "Follow-Up as Needed" has been tightened up. Any comments on the presentation of the subsections?
William: What happened to the solicitor bullet in Further Action to Consider section
Andrew: Will look into the
missing bullet but it is mentioned in the note paragraph
... The tightening of the text has reduced the content to
around 5 pages. Send in comments about the document if you read
it after the meeting.
... WAI-AGE documents will be sent to EO for discussion
soon.
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