<andrew> please review http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-age/2009OctDec/0029.html and respond if required
AA: Change the order Shadi has to
... Shadi take over
Shadi: Who has not had a chance to read the doc
Jack: had not looked at it very close
<andrew> -> target audience http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/changelogs/cl-adapt-strat.html#audience
Shadi: please go to the changelog
and look at audience
... IF you go down this road we'll end up with a big encyclopedia
... we would use this doc as starting point and and lead to other documents
... This is how we think it should be set up any comments
William: any thoughts about how to set up the document
Shadi: already many resources out
there e.g. BBC, and this kind of documents very difficult to
... even BBC doc is not up to date and even this doc will be difficult to maintain
... Title - very long we want to split it up
Pierre: Question is the word Accessible ..... Is it clear that this is more a list of references than the resources themselves?
Shadi: very often when some (e.g.
older people) see the word accessible they think it is not
... this is still draft - suggestions very welcome
AA: what was the previous title?
<shadi> Making Web Browsing More Enjoyable
<shadi> - Ways to Customize Your Computer System
Shadi: Some thing like
configuring your system or something
... but we decided it was more than customizing
Shadi: 2 comments at the f2f more
than enjoyable and it is more than customize e.g. using an
... suggest, send comments to the list
<andrew> title options: improved web browsing ...
Shadi: any other brainstorm ideas or reactions
William:'accessible' might be misleading
Shadi: Idea might be a better word
<andrew> title: Ways of using ... > Ideas for using ...
Darren: agree that 'idea' is a better word
Shadi: remember to send any ideas
to the list or me or Andrew
... lets look at introduction
... using words like outline any comments?
... Pierre said links might be better because the doc links to other resources
Pierre: there are 3 kind of
contents in the doc:
... quick summarize of concerns
... suggestions for solutions
... and the third some documented solutions
Shadi: the solutions are very few
examples and I don't want to emphasize this
... Maybe better to say that it does not include a step-by-step guide but link to other resources
Shadi will take a new look
Shadi: apart from saying not a step-by-step guide what else?
Jack: .... we are talking about more general things and say go to information about your specific browser
Shadi: other comments on introduction?
William: also point out that people are a useful resource to ask for help from
Shadi: Lets move to Explore your computer system
Shadi: Saying learn about your computer
first and link to very basic resources
... maybe include learn from other individuals
William: also more experienced individuals
Shadi: other comments?
... lets look at he next section as example of the following sections
... Section Difficult seeing and reading websites
... hope that there will be more references and links to more resources, so that when you find the information that works for you you
... get more links to resources that addresses you questions
William: will we be able to find enough detail to link to?
Shadi: the example about keyboard
controls have many resources I'm more concerned about other
examples where is is more difficult to find good
... other comments on any other parts of the doc
William: what about including suggestions in other sections, e.g. ctrl-A for changing colour
Shadi: we tweak the title and the
introduction to better describe the content
... Do you think (all) that this describes what we want to accomplish with this doc?
Shadi: besides the title and introduction it seems that we are almost there please send any comments as soon as possible
AA: other homework send in references to links that you think should be considered in this doc and references
AA: how does the new title
... including for translations
Pierre: looks like 2 titles
... problems when it looks like 2 titles there are 2 ideas
Shadi: agree with Pierre
William: thought approaching is a subtitle
AA: is it 2 ideas still if we take as a title/subtitle
Pierre: Approaching is more precise and clear and might be better as the main title
AA: good idea, this is maybe what the doc is for
Organizations with Inaccessible Websites to Encourage
... can we put encouraging .. at the end of the title
Shadi: Approaching sounds more positive than reporting
Jack: agree with Shadi
AA: do we need encouraging in the end?
<andrew> william: maybe there is a series of 'encouraging accessibility' docs
AA: any other ideas
... go to Overview - does it give a good idea of what to find in the this doc
... does it give you a starting point?
William: it tells them what you're going tell them
Pierre: like the presentation and focus on short ideas<
Shadi: Use the sample emails > Use the sample emails provided below
AA: also introduced a note in the
... the note is an attempt to encourage people to send a positive note if something is good or even if you get a positive response
Shadi: might be good sometimes to
let people know that their efforts are appreciated
... when someone is trying to do the right thing even though they are not there yet let them know
<andrew> scribe: darren
<andrew> scribenick: darren
andrew: Will work on the wording
on sending notes of appreciation to organisations that fix
... Jump to the key contacts section. What do people think of the way this section is expressed
... no comments so assume this is fine.
... Look at "What Computer System are You Using?" subsection.
... Made some changes to the text and added a note about personal information. Any comments?
... text has been tightened up.
Suzette: Sentence "Never disclose personal information such as passwords..." is good but it breaks up the flow of this section. Can it go below the table or another section?
Andrew: Section "Follow-Up as Needed" has been tightened up. Any comments on the presentation of the subsections?
William: What happened to the solicitor bullet in Further Action to Consider section
Andrew: Will look into the
missing bullet but it is mentioned in the note paragraph
... The tightening of the text has reduced the content to around 5 pages. Send in comments about the document if you read it after the meeting.
... WAI-AGE documents will be sent to EO for discussion soon.
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