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<daniel> any volunteer for scribe todal call ?
<daniel> We are only three guys in the call today...Oops...
<pchampin> among the lot of us ? :-)
<raphael> trackbot, start telecon
<trackbot> Meeting: Media Annotations Working Group Teleconference
<trackbot> Date: 01 December 2009
<scribe> scribe: wbailer
<daniel> http://www.w3.org/2009/11/24-mediaann-minutes.html
minutes of previous telecon have been accepted
daniel: make schedule for scribes
in advance
... in order to not waste time at beginning of meeting
joakim: there is a scribe list, but it's not updated
<scribe> ACTION: daniel to update scribe list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/01-mediaann-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - daniel
<daniel> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
actions 47-154 left open
163 as well
<raphael> trackbot, status?
168 left open as veronique is not present, this is action is one of the outcomes of dicussion at f2f
169 - 175 left open
<pchampin> ACTION-168?
<trackbot> ACTION-168 -- Joakim Söderberg to ask Veronique to send an email to the group to define an implementation approach of ontology with four suggested approaches -- due 2009-11-12 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/168
<veroniqueM> I still have to send the email to the list describing the 4 possible implementations of the media ontology thought of and described in the SAMT paper
<veroniqueM> indeed, pending
<veroniqueM> and I still have to write the corresponding section in the Media Ontology document
<veroniqueM> but I updated the Media Ontology Document according to the other points :)
on action 176, joakim to send mail with summary of new position
close ACTION-168
<trackbot> ACTION-168 Ask Veronique to send an email to the group to define an implementation approach of ontology with four suggested approaches closed
<daniel> ACTION-185 to Veronique...it is open or close ?
<wonsuk> ACTION-185?
<trackbot> ACTION-185 -- Véronique Malaisé to rigo@w3.org to ask pling wg to provide text on including policy information -- due 2009-11-13 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/185
<veroniqueM> so indeed, re-reading this action point: THEY have to contact me to provide me with the piece of text
<veroniqueM> meanwhile I updated the Media Ontology document with the addition of their suggestions, and I can ask them to review the changes
<daniel> Therefore, 185 is closed ?
we keep 185 open as a reminder
<veroniqueM> no, therefore 185 has to be changed to "ask PLING for either the piece of text or review of the current Media Ontology document"
<veroniqueM> I have more time now, I can contact them for that
close action-186
<trackbot> ACTION-186 Ask Doug for the alternative implementation/syntx for the API doc closed
will be done in the mail related to action 176, asking doug for comments and forwarding to browser vendors
189 is left open
close action-190
<trackbot> ACTION-190 make a first draft for a rights disclaimer and add it to the API doc closed
daniel sent draft to group, not sure why this text is necessary
<daniel> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Dec/0004.html
<veroniqueM> the same kind of disclaimer is now in the API document, this was the text in relation with the PLING group, I thought it was to be added to the Media Ontology document
<veroniqueM> being at the two places is probably not bad though
<veroniqueM> is now in the Media Ontology document I meant :X
wonsuk: should be added, even if not needed now; if it turns out not to be needed in the future it could be dropped
joakim to send mail to group regarding action 192
close action-193
<trackbot> ACTION-193 Test TPAC attendees page to see if it is accessible to IE now closed
action 194 and 194 left open, as chris is not present
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 195
joakim reminds everyone to update their format tables
<scribe> ACTION: soohong daniel to remind table editors to update [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/01-mediaann-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-197 - Daniel to remind table editors to update [on Soohong Daniel Park - due 2009-12-08].
wonsuk: update document according
to comments, then publish
... we need to make consistent with ontology and api document
(e.g. still uses term media object)
daniel: we do not need LC for UC
doc, as it will be a W3C Note but nor a REC
... we can revise whenever we need
wonsuk: plans to revise within 2 weeks
chairs agree to finish revision until dec. 15
<scribe> ACTION: wonsuk to prepare 3rd working draft of UC & Rec documetn [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/01-mediaann-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-198 - Prepare 3rd working draft of UC & Rec document [on WonSuk Lee - due 2009-12-08].
wonsuk: proposed is sufficient at the moment
daniel: other comments?
[no further comments], proposed text will be included
<scribe> postponed to next week
<scribe> postponed to next week
daniel: discussed that f2f that it would be useful, but no actions yet
joakim: can be postponed to
summer or fall
... suggests to wait until api discussion is finished
daniel: will not be a rec, thus no need to hurry
joakim: update done by veronique
editors to review the document
<veroniqueM> some update was done and sent to the editors and to Dave Singer, after their comments and additions, we can update the Web version
<daniel> To all of ontology editors: please update your format mapping table as quick as possible, I will send another mail to all of you later
joakim: are the updated mapping tables needed for new version of document?
<veroniqueM> I thought it was up to the people who made the mappings to update them?
wonsuk: document and mapping table can be updated in parallel
<veroniqueM> no, you don't need to have updated content of the mapping tables to describe them and refer to them in the ontology document
<veroniqueM> +1 to Wonsuk
<joakim> 13 ok for me
proposal is to shift by one hour, i.e. 12:00 UTC
<wonsuk> ok to me
ok for me
<pchampin> one hour sooner than it was, right ?
<pchampin> ok for me
yes, 13:00 CET
<scribe> ACTION: soohong daniel to check availability of phone conference bridge and send info to joakim [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/01-mediaann-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-199 - Daniel to check availability of phone conference bridge and send info to joakim [on Soohong Daniel Park - due 2009-12-08].
no call on dec. 29
no call on dec. 22
<daniel> Question: Dec. 22, call or not ? please make your vote
<pchampin> -1
<joakim> -1
<daniel> Daniel is ok for December 22
<tobias> -1 (I am on holidays)
<wonsuk> -1
<raphael> -1
<veroniqueM> I am still at work on the 22nd
[adjourned]
<scribe> scribe: wbailer
<daniel> Two more call in this year, Dec. 8 and 15 for MAWG...
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