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<joakim> http://www.w3.org/2009/11/17-mediaann-minutes.html
<scribe> scribe: pchampin
minutes approved
the last call of the Requirements and used case documents is due to december
Joakim: what is the status of the requirements document?
<daniel> I didn't see any critical issues around UC&Req. documents at the previous F2F, so I think we can go to the LC with the current version...
<veroniqueM> I think that there was someone proposing to add one requirement, but I cannot remember who
<veroniqueM> and I think that there was also a set of things to change, minor rewritings
<veroniqueM> who did the last review?
Wonsuk: an action item has been added at the Stockolm F2F
<veroniqueM> on whom?
<joakim> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-req/mediaont-req.html
Joakim: Wonsuk has written a new version and everyone should review it
<joakim> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
Werner: the result of action 185 (put in Santa Clara) should be included as a requirement
<joakim> Veronique, di you have time to work on actipn 185?
Werner: and today's discussion on the mailing list on the adressing of fragents should also be in the requirements
<wonsuk> +1 for Werner
Werner: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Nov/0090.html
<veroniqueM> I did not ask PLING the piece of text, I had understood that they were supposed to provide me with it :)
pchampin: +1 for Werner
Joakim: do the editors agree to add those paragraphs?
<tobiasbue> +1 from my side as well for Werner
<wonsuk> +1
<veroniqueM> but I inserted a disclaimer about copyrights, also the piece of text suggested by Doug Sheppers, and I am currently updating the ontology document
<joakim> good
<veroniqueM> the new version should be ready and sent to the different editors by next Tuesday
<veroniqueM> it's quite a long piece of text :)
action joakim and everyone to review the Requirements document before 1/12
<trackbot> Created ACTION-192 - And everyone to review the Requirements document before 1/12 [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2009-12-01].
close ACTION-167
<trackbot> ACTION-167 Ask team contact about access to pages for invited experts (e.g. pierre-antoine cannot access the list of tpac attendees) closed
action on pchampin test TPAC attendees page to see if it is accessible to IE now
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action pchampin to test TPAC attendees page to see if it is accessible to IE now
<trackbot> Created ACTION-193 - Test TPAC attendees page to see if it is accessible to IE now [on Pierre-Antoine Champin - due 2009-12-01].
<florian> W3C SeMuDaTe2009 paper: http://ceur-ws.org/Vol-539/paper_21.pdf
Joakim: is ACTION-174 (Véronique)
ongoing?
... anyone has any update on ACTION-175 (Felix) ?
... We leave them open, then.
close ACTION-184 : no existing link
close ACTION-184
<trackbot> ACTION-184 Explain the link, difference or relation of our work with the Media Queries closed
close ACTION-188
<trackbot> ACTION-188 Put the "Error Handling" topic into the agenda of the next telecon closed
Tobias: about 189, on
subproperty
... I started, but postponed it until the end of the
discussion.
Daniel: ACTION-190 is still open
Werner: the starting point of the discussion was: should we define a set of subproperties we are suporting
cons: how do we decide which to
include, which to exclude?
... why re-define what's already out there?
pros: provide an additional,
finer grain, level of mapping
... allowing to filter some results
consensus: generic approach
we provide a placeholder for subproperties
but we don't define, for the moment, the values that this placeholder can take
<joakim> werner is speaking
<tobiasbue> @werner: thanks for the nice summary
it is a good compromise because it allows for future extensions
Joakim: the discussion started with the contributor property, right?
Werner: yes, but the problem also exists with title (e.g. album title)
or fragment (e.g. spatial, temporal, track)
but fragment subproperty could also be "my favorite scenes"
We could ask the API filter by a subproperty, like "creator/author"
Joakim: this could be tricky; take ID3, the labels are not plain text
you have to know how ID3 names "composer", .e.g.
Chris: I followed the mail discussion passively
tried different things in my implementations
I do not know the best solution yet
Chris: we can make the API to conform to the generic method
<raphael> trackbot, start telecon
<trackbot> Meeting: Media Annotations Working Group Teleconference
<trackbot> Date: 24 November 2009
the difficult part is, for the user, to know which property to use
pchampin: for the moment, we let the implementors put anythink they like in the subproperty placeholder
if anything at all
and let the users find out what subproperty they get
<joakim> Daniel takes over, I have to leave
Daniel: Chris raised a question on the mailing list
Chris: when implementing the API, I encountered a problem
how to we identify the metadata-source on which the API is drawing?
pchampin: ultimately, our API is the API of a metadata source
<wbailer> +1 for pa
in the simple case, the resource is its own metadata source
but the metadata source can come from somewhere else
However, our API assumes the simple case for the moment,
since we do not specify either the resource to be describe, or the source of metadata
Chris: what about the javascript API in the browser
?
we should add to the API method to manage metadata sources
pchampin: +1
Werner: when initializing the object, we can provide a set of metadata sources
pchampin: this is a simple way to go
allow to add or remove sources afterwards is better, but more complicated
???: Is this an implementation issue or an API issue?
Chris: from the browser perspective, we should address it
pchampin: depending on the use cases of the API in the browser, browser implementation could provide just the particular case of resource=metadata source
depends on the use cases
Chris: I send a mail to Silvia to ask her opinion about that
action Chris to send a mail to silvia about the implementation of the API in browsers and the need to address several metadata sources
<trackbot> Created ACTION-194 - Send a mail to silvia about the implementation of the API in browsers and the need to address several metadata sources [on Chris Poppe - due 2009-12-01].
<daniel> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Nov/0036.html
Daniel: another discussion about the management of errors
pchampin: my latest proposal was to retun Null values when there is an error
and to provide an additional method get_diagnosis to get more information about the error, if any
this has been included in the latest Web IDL sent by Chris
Chris: if you want, I can update to API document accordingly
action chris to update the API document regarding error management
<trackbot> Created ACTION-195 - Update the API document regarding error management [on Chris Poppe - due 2009-12-01].
<raphael> [adjourned]
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