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<MikeSmith> issue: Should meta/@content allow a list of languages instead of just a single language?
<trackbot> Created ISSUE-88 - Should meta/@content allow a list of languages instead of just a single language? ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/88/edit .
<MikeSmith> issue-88: escalated from http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8088 (Leif Halvard Silli)
<trackbot> ISSUE-88 Should meta/@content allow a list of languages instead of just a single language? notes added
<pimpbot> 118088: xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no, P2, REOPENED, 13Change back the meaning of <meta http-equiv="Content-Language" content="FOO, BAR">
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 8088] Change back the meaning of <meta http-equiv="Content-Language" content="FOO, BAR"> <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0940.html>
<MikeSmith> action-157?
<trackbot> ACTION-157 -- Michael(tm) Smith to request two smaller rooms (big enough for 10-12 people) for breakout sessions -- due 2009-10-29 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/157
<pimpbot> Title: ACTION-157 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
<MikeSmith> ACTION: I got this request in too late, so we will not have any additional rooms booked. We will need to deal with it ad-hoc [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/29-html-wg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - I
<MikeSmith> action-157: I got this request in too late, so we will not have any additional rooms booked. We will need to deal with it ad-hoc
<trackbot> ACTION-157 Request two smaller rooms (big enough for 10-12 people) for breakout sessions notes added
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<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 8122] New: This is a test <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0941.html>
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 8088] Change back the meaning of <meta http-equiv="Content-Language" content="FOO, BAR"> <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0942.html>
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<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 8107] I dont think that itemid should be prohibited if there is no itemtype. Several of the use cases would work fine with an id but no type <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0943.html>
<Dashiva> http://gizmodo.com/5381696/regrettable-tech-inventions//gallery/1
<pimpbot> Title: Regrettable Tech Inventions (at gizmodo.com)
<plh> oops
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 8088] Change back the meaning of <meta http-equiv="Content-Language" content="FOO, BAR"> <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0944.html>
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<pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 8088] Change back the meaning of <meta http-equiv="Content-Language" content="FOO, BAR">" (3 messages in thread) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0946.html>
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 5758] insufficient accessibility fallback for <audio> or <video> <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2009Oct/0947.html>
<cardona507> good morning - does irc.w3.org have a help channel?
<mjs> hi everyone
<richardschwerdtfe> hi maciej
<cardona507> hello
<rubys1> trackbot, start meeting
<trackbot> Date: 29 October 2009
<pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-10-29: issues, action items, calls for consensus/proposals, task forces, F2F... from Sam Ruby on 2009-10-28 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from October to December 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
<scribe> scribe: MichaelC
<rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2009OctDec/0008.html
<pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-10-29: issues, action items, calls for consensus/proposals, task forces, F2F... from Sam Ruby on 2009-10-28 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from October to December 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
<paulc> Update will be available at TPAC F2F.
cynthia: Working on in ARIA UAI TF
<paulc> Larry is trying to set up a meeting next week.
plan to work more at TPAC next week
<paulc> Possible meeting 12-2pm on Thu but some have expressed concerns about conflicts with WG meeting
<paulc> Maybe Larry's objectives are wider than just the HTML WG issues.
mike(tm): Larry has a document tracking issues, tentative meeting next week
paul: joint meeting with TAG "after lunch" Thursday might overlap (uncertain which lunch slot)
<paulc> Paul wants to know "minimum required to declare victory" in this area.
<MikeSmith> issue-56: updated IRIbis draft published: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-duerst-iri-bis-07
<trackbot> ISSUE-56 Bring "URLs" section/definition and IRI specification in alignment. notes added
<pimpbot> Title: draft-duerst-iri-bis-07 - Internationalized Resource Identifiers (IRIs) (at tools.ietf.org)
Progress, extending to next week
closing action
issue CFC to close issue
<Laura> Rich is working on a test patch that exposes the shadow DOM to the accessibility API and supports aria-activedescendant on canvas.
<Laura> canvas accessibility progress report:
<Laura> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/2009OctDec/0019.html
<pimpbot> Title: canvas accessibility progress from Richard Schwerdtfeger on 2009-10-28 (public-canvas-api@w3.org from October to December 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
^
<paulc> Has someone volunteered to lead a F2F discussion on this topic?
cynthia: Might be prepared to do so
<paulc> ACTION-127 in progress
paul: in progress, still need to collect list of LCs
<paulc> finish the enueration of LC targets and discuss at TPAC
<paulc> MathML 3.0 review will be done by Nov 5/6
close action
closing, though process under ongoing review
cynthia: Steve might be planning to do change proposal
not positive
<richardschwerdtfe> cynthia, i just got on the call
sam: though issue process not quite finalized, trying to follow it
so need change proposal within a month
<Laura> Maciej was going to make an HTML5 Change Proposal Template in Wiki. Has one been created?
<Laura> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Oct/0688.html
<pimpbot> Title: Re: Administrative requests related to the decision policy from Michael(tm) Smith on 2009-10-21 (public-html@w3.org from October 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
cynthia: change proposals need to indicate version they react to, is date on editors draft sufficient?
sam: generally
mike(tm): There is a CVS version ID in the draft, best to use that
at top of document
sam: will check with Julian
ISSUE-87 Should spec require whitespace normalization of attribute values, particularly in title attribute?
mike(tm): Opened on behalf of David C in MathML
seems like a "after the horses have left the barn" issue
browsers implemented a particular way
will follow up with David to ask him to write a change proposal
paul: TAG wanted to discuss this
sam: This is a very old issue, without a change proposal should close without prejudice
paul: Maybe alert TAG and ask them to submit change proposal
sam: They're not of one mind, and we haven't received concrete proposal
should attach issue to a person, not the group
Larry not planning to submit change proposal afaik
maciej: suggest send them a request and start the 1-month clock
paul: David Singer has an action
maciej: he's working on this, but not known planning a change proposal
sam: Will ask him for one and start the clock
sam: Incorporated into draft, ready to close
sam: Manu planning to write counter proposal to his own proposal
Best if someone who prefers current state would submit a proposal
maciej: Suggest Ian submit the counter proposal
KrisK: Coming together, organizing bi-weekly calls to begin after TPAC, and will have opportunity to meet up at TPAC
would like submission of test suites (good or bad)
<paulc> Will there be a testing break out session at TPAC F2F?
<paulc> KrisK: Yes lets try to get together
sam: Not quite started
mechanics in place, haven't named HTML facilitator
hopefully can make progess at TPAC
<paulc> PF and HTML WG chairs are meeting on Monday to discuss this.
<Laura> The accessbility task force mailing list has been set up and we have done some inital work:
<Laura> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2009Oct/0004.html
<pimpbot> Title: Is the accessibility task force official now? from Laura Carlson on 2009-10-28 (public-html-a11y@w3.org from October 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
<paulc> Do we know exactly what issues the TF is going to do?
cynthia: There is work ready for as soon as it gets going
Don't have a formal issues list but PF has been working on issues
<paulc> Bugzilla items are being tags with "a11y"
questions about parts of spec; aria mapping; summary; longdesc; etc.
rich: canvas too
<MikeSmith> note that Laura recently added a11y keyword to a number of bugzilla bugs
<Laura> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/AccessibilityTrackerIssues
<pimpbot> Title: HTML/AccessibilityTrackerIssues - ESW Wiki (at esw.w3.org)
<Laura> http://esw.w3.org/topic/PF/XTech/HTML5
<pimpbot> Title: PF/XTech/HTML5 - ESW Wiki (at esw.w3.org)
<Laura> HTML5 Issue Collection and Requirements Drafting
<rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Oct/0747.html
<pimpbot> Title: Canvas 2D API specification update from Eliot Graff on 2009-10-21 (public-html@w3.org from October 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
<adrianba> http://dev.w3.org/html5/canvas-api/canvas-2d-api.html
<pimpbot> Title: The Canvas 2D API 1.0 Specification (at dev.w3.org)
Adrian: have been working on canvas spec
need to start comparison with HTML version
also accessibility work
sam: Suggest opening a bug on canvas
to start tracking
and follow with change proposal
adrian: ok
ACTION-153 on Maciej Stachowiak: Outline unconference format for F2F meeting
sam: outline sent
not much response; presuming consent
mike(tm): We don't have additional rooms booked
will see if there are free rooms next week
but need to assume we don't have them unless that changes
can close action
We're in different rooms Thur and Fri
but both large
might be possible to have separate concurrent discussions within the room
paul: Next week is FtF
should get as many as possible to participate in scribing
re next telecon, take a week off after TPAC?
Make sure we clarify that next week
mike(tm): Some people will have conflict with IETF meeting
<cardona507> thanks
<rubys> thanks MichaelC!
<pimpbot> Title: HTML Weekly Teleconference -- 29 Oct 2009 (at www.w3.org)
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