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Internationalization Core Teleconference

28 Oct 2009

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
aphillip, Richard, Felix, [Oracle], dchiba, David
Regrets
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
Addison Phillips

Contents


 

 

<scribe> Scribe: Addison Phillips

<scribe> ScribeNick: aphillip

Agenda?

discussion of language declarations in html5

brief discussion of texting and encodings in india

Action Items

Richard: respond on our behalf to CSS on ruby issue

addison: set up document edit transition with dan for ws-i18n

all: review HTML5 (rolling action item to be reviewed weekly)

addison: make a table of date changes for DST

all: review UAX#46 draft for review in two weeks
... deal with DOM events requests in 10-21 minutes

Info Share

tpac... do we need dialin?

david: no

felix?

david: saw a presentation on ...
... on Google Wave
... has interesting things in it, like online sim-translation
... and it's "in HTML5 on current browsers"

<r12a> http://www.alistapart.com/articles/get-ready-for-html-5/

<r12a> http://html5gallery.com/

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/2009/09/html5-ig-jp-charter.html

richard: japanese IG for HTML5 being set up

<r12a> s/http://www.w3.org/2009/09/html5-ig-jp-charter.html//

discussion of language declarations in html5

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2009OctDec/0020.html

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2009OctDec/

<r12a> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Oct/0905.html

richard: looked into it
... 1. hixie has changed meaning of <meta> definition
... so no longer equates to http

addison: which we objected to in past

richard: and if multiple values in HTTP then equivalent to empty xml:lang
... despairing a little
... because it is hard to get folks to use language declarations
... and its very complicated
... XHTML and XML and HTML4 etc.
... and then in HTML5 things would be slightly different again
... so want to propose
... equate http and <meta>
... explain clearly for declaring language(s) of doc as whole
... and should define defualt processing lang using 'lang'
... and if lang is missing on <html> element and if defined in HTTP or <meta>
... use to guess if contains a single value
... if multiple values, then equate to empty string

addison: i agree with this
... think hixie's text is okay for assigning <html>
... but not forbidding multi values in <meta>

<scribe> ACTION: richard: send a response on behalf of I18N about language tagging in html5 supporting proposal of keeping meta as-is [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/28-core-minutes.html#action01]

TPAC Planning

This is the main item. Topics include: - IRI coordination - Meeting with HTML5 - Meeting with ECMAScript - Document editing?

<scribe> ACTION: addison: write to paulc to arrange a joint session with html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/28-core-minutes.html#action02]

webfonts, webapps, css, qt?

<scribe> ACTION: addison: ping webfonts, webapps, css, and qt to ping for interest in joint sessioning [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/28-core-minutes.html#action03]

<scribe> ACTION: addison: invite ECMAScript folks to visit with us [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/28-core-minutes.html#action04]

brief discussion of texting and encodings in india

richard: contacted by w3c india office manager
... he says...

<r12a> > > there is a debate in India about the SMS text encoding .Some

<r12a> > Group in

<r12a> > > India proposes for 7 bit encoding standard based on National

<r12a> > Language> Table using Shift and Lock-Shift mechanism as per 3GPP

<r12a> > standard. This

<r12a> > > was proposed for transmitting SMS of almost same size as in

<r12a> > GSM 7 bit

<r12a> > > standard However from the present literature we found that the

<r12a> > default> text encoding format for messaging systems for Mobile

<r12a> > Applications in

<r12a> > > UTF-8 for the next generation Mobile Standards like 3GPP2, 4G and

<r12a> > > standard proposed by OMA (open mobile allience).

<r12a> > > As national level body we propose that the default text encoding

<r12a> > > format needs to be UTF-8 as this is based on UNICODE and has

<r12a> > > interoperability with W3C standards, and IETF standards for internet

<r12a> > > data excahnge. This will ensure interoperability across

<r12a> > platform ,

<r12a> > > devices and data exchange formats.

<r12a> > > We shall be grateful if you please indicate t

<r12a> the W3C position

<r12a> > and views

addison: propose that as our wg position, although we understand the issues involved?

richard: will send a response and copy winter

http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/WorkingWithTimeZones#Negotiating_Time_Zone_with_the_User

richard: also had some discussions with cindy about her personal names preso at IUC33
... she had more information that was useful
... possibility of collaborating
... info about personal names into CLDR??

AOB?

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: addison: invite ECMAScript folks to visit with us [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/28-core-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: ping webfonts, webapps, css, and qt to ping for interest in joint sessioning [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/28-core-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: write to paulc to arrange a joint session with html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/28-core-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: richard: send a response on behalf of I18N about language tagging in html5 supporting proposal of keeping meta as-is [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/28-core-minutes.html#action01]
 
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