W3C

Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference

13 Oct 2009

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
jo, francois, DKA, miguel, tomhume, brucel, yeliz, Phil_Archer, EdC, jsmanrique
Regrets
kai, miguel, SeanP, jeffs, adam
Chair
jo
Scribe
Tom, Dan

Contents


Admin

<francois> Draft agenda for F2F

jo: Sent out an outline agenda, suggest we spend a day on MWABP, another day on CT, and a half day tidying things up
... everyone happy with that?

francois: Offers to set up a registration form

<francois> ACTION: daoust to prepare the registration form and to officialize the F2F [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/13-bpwg-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1020 - Prepare the registration form and to officialize the F2F [on François Daoust - due 2009-10-20].

Update on MWABP (BP 2)

jo: there was supposed to be an editorial session last Friday, now pushed back to this Friday
... if you want to join this, say so and we'll arrange a conf bridge

phila: meeting from 12

jo: so we'll probably start around 1
... I've not seen any comments on the list.

francois: there is one from Arthur Barstow on MWABP

<francois> Comment from Art

francois: I've already replied to him. His second part is a good point, the appendices are suffixed with the non-normative but there's nothing normative in these docs because they're BPs

jo: The problem is, that's the way the xmlspec works. This might be easier to fix as it's HTML. This looks editorial and easy to fix.

BP 1.5

<francois> ISSUE-300?

<trackbot> ISSUE-300 -- Addendum to BP reads as though it is a normative extension - PH requests we find a new name for it -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/300

<DKA> Can we call it "BP Evolution"?

jo: We've a couple of comments from Phil and Kai.

<francois> Suggestions for titles for BP1.5

phil: I'm happy to go with what Kai said

<PhilA2> No no, BP Intelligent Design please, DKA

jo: I don't feel strongly about this. Anyone have any comments?

<PhilA2> Title: "Extended Guideline for Mobile Web Best Practices"

<PhilA2> Subtitle: "a non-normative companion document for Mobile Web Best

francois: the MWBP are not normative. I don't think the subtitle is needed. Looking at the document from an external POV the extract is already clear, it's just about the title.
... I prefer your suggestion Jo.

jo: let's decide between the two. Straw poll...

<jo> 1. 1 Extended Evaluations for Mobile Web Best Practices

<jo> 2. Extended Guidelines for Mobile Web Best Practices

2

<DKA> 2 - but I'd prefer "extended dance re-mix of mobile web best practices"

<EdC> 2

<yeliz> 2

<francois> 2

<jsmanrique> 2

<jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: BP 1.5 (the Addendum) will henceforth be known as Extended Guidelines for Mobile Web Best Practices

<francois> +1

+1

<jsmanrique> +1

<EdC> +1

<PhilA2> +1

<yeliz> +1

RESOLUTION: BP 1.5 (the Addendum) will henceforth be known as Extended Guidelines for Mobile Web Best Practices

Update on CT

jo: Not had too much traffic on this, on-list.

francois: we had confirmation from Michael Macqueen that he's satisfied with the change in the title.

<EdC> Has the release of the documents (CTG, MWABP) and the call for comments been advertised? Where?

jo: That's it then. Have we sent out a notification to the groups we want to comment on this?

<EdC> What about outside W3C?

francois: I sent an email to the chairs of the groups for the lists, and to the HTTPBis WG

jo: People who commented in the past will be aware, but it's a good question. Who'd we originally invite to comment outside the W3C?

<EdC> For instance: what about OMA ???

francois: the WMLProgramming list, but that's all.
... if we (as a group) put the word out... we're asking for people to review the documents, we're not trying to hide them
... one of the chairs of the OMA is the HCG here in W3C, and one of the participants in the group is the official liaison with the OMA and has asked that this document be presented to the OMA.

edC: are there other relevant institutions or consortiums that the W3C is in consortium with?

francois: I can't think of any others.

<francois> W3C Liaison list

<EdC> ok.

jo: Eduardo, unless you have anything specific further to add on this, I suggest we move on...
... The sadly neglected CT landscape document is the next topic up.

<jo> ACTION-1015

jo: We have two choices: drop it or publish it. Right now it's half-published.

<francois> [for the record, I contacted chairs of TAG, HTML WG, XHTML2 WG, WebApps WG, HCG (for OMA), Web Security Context working group plus HTTPBis]

jo: I suggest we request publication as is.

<EdC> As is with a remark or some statement about the status of the document?

<jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Ref the CT Landscape document, modulo minor editorial changes request publication as a Note.

jo: I don't think anyone's ever going to read it... francois?

francois: I think that's a good idea.

dka: wasn't this document intended as a thought activity for the guidelines? Do we really need to publish it?

jo: it's published as a working draft right now.

<jo> http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-ct-landscape-20071025/

dka: I don't think its worth making another announcement etc

jo: unless we can delete this from TR-space, we have an incomplete document. We should complete or delete.

<EdC> Out of tracability concerns, I would be wary of deleting the document.

jo: it's not without precedent to have a document like this hanging around

<PhilA2> http://www.w3.org/2007/powder/

PhilA: In POWDER we started to document and didn't finish them, they remained working drafts and will never be anything else. On the old WG homepage, you can see beneath publications and tools a section of obsolete documents..
... they don't even have note status, we just say publicly "we stopped"
... Whilst it's preferable I don't think you have to turn everything into a working note.

jo: I would be averse to deleting it
... I propose to make some light editorial changes to the introduction and point out it's been largely superceded. Let's take a resolution on this next week.
... objections?

<EdC> OK with me.

<jo> ACTION: Jo to make changes to CT Landscape and then propose to group [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/13-bpwg-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1021 - Make changes to CT Landscape and then propose to group [on Jo Rabin - due 2009-10-20].

jo: we also have the test suite to discuss, for transformation.

francois: we're waiting for initial input on the test suite, if we don't have any input then we have to get started ASAP.

jo: bruce, did I note you'd said you didn't have anything for Opera to offer?

bruce: yes

<jo> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/open

Issues and actions

<francois> ACTION-796?

<trackbot> ACTION-796 -- Daniel Appelquist to contact BBC to see if they can make their mobile web site mobileOK -- due 2008-06-25 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/796

<francois> close ACTION-796

<trackbot> ACTION-796 Contact BBC to see if they can make their mobile web site mobileOK closed

<francois> ACTION-870?

<trackbot> ACTION-870 -- Daniel Appelquist to liaise with Seungyun and Jonathan re setting up a call in 4 weeks with a view to having 2 weekly calls in the morning European time -- due 2008-10-28 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/870

<francois> close ACTION-870

<trackbot> ACTION-870 Liaise with Seungyun and Jonathan re setting up a call in 4 weeks with a view to having 2 weekly calls in the morning European time closed

<DKA> Scribe: Dan

<DKA> ScribeNick: DKA

<francois> ACTION-935?

<trackbot> ACTION-935 -- Daniel Appelquist to lead discussion on list on Korean mobileOK proposals -- due 2009-04-03 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/935

<francois> close ACTION-935

<trackbot> ACTION-935 Lead discussion on list on Korean mobileOK proposals closed

<EdC> What about 885?

<francois> ACTION-956?

<trackbot> ACTION-956 -- François Daoust to review last call comments on CT to see where the responses need editing -- due 2009-04-14 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/956

<francois> close ACTION-956

<trackbot> ACTION-956 Review last call comments on CT to see where the responses need editing closed

<francois> ACTION-964?

<trackbot> ACTION-964 -- Tom Hume to review AtomDB for potential inclusion/reference in MWABP -- due 2009-06-09 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/964

<francois> background on AtomDB

<tomhume_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-comments/2009AprJun/0003.html

<francois> ACTION-987?

<trackbot> ACTION-987 -- Daniel Appelquist to draft a blog post on mobileOK Scheme -- due 2009-07-07 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/987

<francois> ACTION-998?

<trackbot> ACTION-998 -- Adam Connors to extract some useful info from the discussion around ACTION-790 and add it to the doc -- due 2009-07-21 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/998

<francois> close ACTION-998

<trackbot> ACTION-998 Extract some useful info from the discussion around ACTION-790 and add it to the doc closed

<francois> ACTION-1003?

<trackbot> ACTION-1003 -- Bruce Lawson to follow up within Opera as to what exactly the XSS test scripts supplied by chaals guard against -- due 2009-09-08 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1003

<francois> ACTION-1005?

<trackbot> ACTION-1005 -- François Daoust to set up a survey to find dates for F2F, either week of Nov 16, Nov 30 or Dec 7, and ask for hosting offers in Europe -- due 2009-09-22 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1005

<francois> close ACTION-1005

<trackbot> ACTION-1005 Set up a survey to find dates for F2F, either week of Nov 16, Nov 30 or Dec 7, and ask for hosting offers in Europe closed

<francois> ACTION-1007?

<trackbot> ACTION-1007 -- Sean Patterson to check if novarra has tests they could contribute for CT guidelines -- due 2009-09-22 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1007

<francois> ACTION-1008?

<trackbot> ACTION-1008 -- Adam Connors to check if Google has tests they could contribute for CT guidelines -- due 2009-09-22 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1008

<francois> ACTION-1009?

<trackbot> ACTION-1009 -- Bruce Lawson to check if Opera has tests they could contribute for CT guidelines -- due 2009-09-22 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1009

<francois> [Nothing to contribute from Opera's side]

<francois> Close ACTION-1009

<trackbot> ACTION-1009 Check if Opera has tests they could contribute for CT guidelines closed

<francois> ACTION-1010?

<trackbot> ACTION-1010 -- Adam Connors to organise editor's meeting -- due 2009-09-29 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1010

<francois> close ACTION-1010

<trackbot> ACTION-1010 Organise editor's meeting closed

<francois> close ACTION-1011

<trackbot> ACTION-1011 Amend 4.1.5.3 etc cf EdC's Comments http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2009Sep/0062.html closed

<francois> close ACTION-1012

<trackbot> ACTION-1012 Move text per eduardo's comment ACTION-989 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2009Jun/0143.html closed

<francois> close ACTION-1013

<trackbot> ACTION-1013 Add a note that the X-Headers have been provisionally registered closed

<francois> close ACTION-1014

<trackbot> ACTION-1014 Insert above definition of same origin in the document closed

<francois> close ACTION-1015

<trackbot> ACTION-1015 Recommend to group what to do with landscape doc closed

<francois> close ACTION-1016

<trackbot> ACTION-1016 Get back to group on hosting F2F by tomorrow closed

<francois> ACTION-1017?

<trackbot> ACTION-1017 -- François Daoust to get MWABP published as Last Call and ensure Chairs announcement is properly sent -- due 2009-10-06 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1017

<francois> close ACTION-1017

<trackbot> ACTION-1017 Get MWABP published as Last Call and ensure Chairs announcement is properly sent closed

<francois> close ACTION-1018

<trackbot> ACTION-1018 Call editorial meeting on Friday 9th Oct to discuss MWABP closed

<francois> close ACTION-1019

<trackbot> ACTION-1019 Get CT published as Last Call and ensure chairs announcement closed

<EdC> 1020 and 1021 are new ones.

<francois> close ACTION-1004

<trackbot> ACTION-1004 Cancel TPAC F2F for BPWG closed

<francois> ACTION-1001?

<trackbot> ACTION-1001 -- François Daoust to review tests provided by Charles on same origin policy -- due 2009-08-18 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1001

<francois> close ACTION-1001

<trackbot> ACTION-1001 Review tests provided by Charles on same origin policy closed

<brucel> bye all

<jsmanrique> bye

Jo: Thanks all!

:)

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: daoust to prepare the registration form and to officialize the F2F [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/13-bpwg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Jo to make changes to CT Landscape and then propose to group [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/13-bpwg-minutes.html#action02]
 
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