<Adesina> Hello Steph, will only join on chat. Can't do voice today

<Adesina> Noticed that a lot of work has been put into the docv

hi Adesina

ok

yes lots of work !

<Adesina> Just came back from South Africa on Saturday

<Yoshiko> hello

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2009Sep/0006.html

comments from renjish

<Lauri> Hello, Lauri is now on-line in IRC channel

ToC reorg: postponed

2nd comment: add mobile web definition in the scope of the doc

yoshiko: we should add a definition section

http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/wiki/roadmapv2

<Yoshiko> definition of mw

steph: second paragraph of the intro ?

yoshiko

<scribe> ACTION: steph to move mobile web definition from the last paragraph f the intro as a note to a full paragraph in the second position [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/21-mw4d-minutes.html#action01]

<Lauri> Here is the link to the new Nokia Magazine (for emerging markets) http://expandinghorizons.nokia.com/issues/

3rd comment: audience: 2 major categories

<steph> people workingin the field

<steph> and enabler/supporter

<steph> oops

<Lauri> Latest issue is number 3/2009.

<Yoshiko> great!

yoshiko: categorization is not a big problem

we should not bother

i prefer the current setup which is more open

further work not worth

doing

steph: agree

Resolution: we prefer to keep the door more widely open and not focus on the categorization: so we keep as it is

<Lauri> The issue number 1 / 2009 is a summary of many application done by Nokia for developing markets, note 100 pages long.

comments by arun: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2009Sep/0000.html

&st comment: accessibility

postpone discussion when Arun is on the call

2nd comment: cost of voice of applications

Lauri: timeline ?

steph: process: distribute the current document as a draft and make an official W3C publication after september meeting

lauri: agreed

<Lauri> Lauri is OK with the time line for the document

yoshiko: you should tell participant about the timeline

<scribe> ACTION: steph to send a mail to announce the timeline for the W3C publication [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/21-mw4d-minutes.html#action02]

2nd comment: cost of voice of applications

yoshiko: agree with Arun

we should refine the text

voice cost is not fix, we could be more percise

say that gov. or phone operator could be removed by policy or by companies

steph: agreed

<scribe> ACTION: steph to refine the text to cover these cases of low cost of voice calls [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/21-mw4d-minutes.html#action03]

steph: should also add that to data services

<scribe> ACTION: steph to refine the text to cover the case of low-cost flate rate plan for data services [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/21-mw4d-minutes.html#action04]

yoshiko: you should reflect that in the text

4th comments: lowering required expertise for voice applications

<scribe> ACTION: steph to mention this possiblity as an extra layer to voice apps [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/21-mw4d-minutes.html#action05]

5th comments: directory of voice apps

<scribe> ACTION: steph to add a paragraph to mention the possibility to create portals, easier with voicexml, more complicated with traditionnal voice apps and phone call transfer, but ot as a feature of the techno [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/21-mw4d-minutes.html#action06]

6th comments: non-lasting info

<scribe> ACTION: steph to mention this possiblity as an extra layer but not as a feature of the techno [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/21-mw4d-minutes.html#action07]

yoshiko: it takes also more time to convey of information

and this is realted to costs

<Lauri> Here is the link to the weather forecast service for all around the Globe: http://foreca.mobi/

<Yoshiko> what's this?

7th comments: package low-cost voice solution

<scribe> ACTION: steph to mention the need for packaged solution for individual voice service setup [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/21-mw4d-minutes.html#action08]

<Lauri> Here is weather in Lagos, Nigeria: http://foreca.mobi/index.php?l=102332459

<scribe> ACTION: steph to respond to Arun with the proposed resolution to all his points [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/21-mw4d-minutes.html#action09]

adding examples in the appendix

steph: didn't receive any contribution

should we pursue the idea ?

<Lauri> Please note, the Foreca.mobi wheather service is free to use.

yoshiko: let people contribute by the end of the week and see if we receive any contributions

<Yoshiko> interesting!

<scribe> ACTION: steph to send a mail to the list to seed contributions and remind people what is expected (ilustrating pro and cons of each technology) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/21-mw4d-minutes.html#action10]

<scribe> new contribution about adding co-design references: see

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2009Sep/0004.html

steph: propose to put in in section 6.2.5 after trust and training

<scribe> ACTION: steph to add definition of discoverability and usability when they first appear [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/21-mw4d-minutes.html#action11]

<scribe> ACTION: steph to add co-design contribution in section 6.2.5 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/21-mw4d-minutes.html#action12]

update on ussd and cell broadcast from Phillip:

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2009Aug/0068.html

steph: ok to update the current wording with the new one which is more complete

yoshiko: agreed

<scribe> ACTION: steph to include philip contribution in the roadmap [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/21-mw4d-minutes.html#action13]

comments: COST 6.1.5 -> COST FOR END USERS

COST 6.2.4 -> COST FOR SERVICE PROVIDERS

steph: agreed

yoshiko: my contribution, i agree good to facilitate reader work

<scribe> ACTION: steph to update 6.1.5 and 6.2.4 section name [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/21-mw4d-minutes.html#action14]

yoshiko: another comments: there are inconsistencies in the number

should be double checked

section numbers particularly

and data refered

particularly when section are refered from another section, someitmes it is not updated

<scribe> ACTION: steph to check section references and numbering [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/21-mw4d-minutes.html#action15]

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