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<mhausenblas> ok, then ...
<mhausenblas> trackbot, start telecon
<trackbot> Date: 15 September 2009
<mhausenblas> hehe, yes ;)
<mhausenblas> scribenick: dbooth
<mhausenblas> Michael: do it on the Wiki - somewhere http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswHome/ ?
We're brainstorming what sections to put in draft report
jar: The thing that I like best is the Noodling Diagrams ontology.
dbooth: I think it would make sense to pose a number of questions/topics and say what we think about them. For example, we might be in agreement or we might have diverse opinions.
jar: Like a cafeteria.
<jar> from July 6
michael: Is there anything we can propose or advise to the TAG?
jar: I suggest we build around
some ontology, maybe starting with what I've done. And things
that are not explicitly supported by the specs can be included
on a cafeteria basis.
... e.g., I wrote a shell script that starts to implement this ont. It makes a few inferences that don't follow from the specs.
<mhausenblas> Michael: three proposals for input: (i) discovery/LRDD, (ii) list existing/related vocs, and (iii) motivation/application
<jar> I have a shell script. Showed it at the TAG F2F. Need to find and post it.
michael: should also say something about other existing resources, ssuch as Harry and Valentina's ont.
alan: should we say something
about HTTPbis? or what we would like the TAG to do?
... Might say "these are the 3 most important issues we think you should interact w IETF on".
jar: At the June TAG f2f I
presented this ont -- sorry it was my story and not the group's
-- and included a shell script that concludes things about the
interaction. It was a very good session, and people were
actually interested and engaged, not only TimBL but Noah,
... Talking about formal models is MUCH more helpful than talking about principles. Not only were they engaged, but they GOT the chaos that I've been discussing.
... TAG's charter is to produce arch recommendations, and TimBL likes the idea of having a formal model as the basis for AWWW volume 2.
jar: Blue boxes are basically
... Get200Candidate is a resource that you COULD return a 200 for.
... My shell script takes a URI and generates RDF.
<mhausenblas> RRSAgent. draft minutes
<scribe> Meeting: AWWSW
<scribe> Chair: Michael
michael: would be good to run your script and show some data generated.
dbooth: in your ont, there are three kinds of boxes: 1. white boxes, which are basically IR-like notions; 2. blue boxes, which are mechanics of http (http-in-rdf vocabulary); and 3. yellow boxes, which try to join the two: they are semantics of the exchange. What's being said by the resource by the http interaction.
<mhausenblas> Michael: agree with the 'cafeteria' approach, however, rough structure needs to be decided
<mhausenblas> ... would propose
<mhausenblas> 1. Motivation/Application areas, then 2. Onto/cafeteria, 3. related stuff
dbooth: how does jar's ont compare with the ont and rules I did a year ago? http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswDboothsRules
jar: Your rules correspond with my shell script. We'd have to compare the other parts of the ont.
<scribe> ACTION: dbooth to compare jar's ont at http://w3.org/2001/tag/awwsw/http.owl with dbooth's ont at http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswDboothsRules [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/15-awwsw-minutes.html#action01]
<scribe> ACTION: Michael to work on outline of draft report [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/15-awwsw-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-21 - Work on outline of draft report [on Michael Hausenblas - due 2009-09-22].
michael: should be bug TimBL to come?
dbooth: Might be best to bug him when we REALLY want him, like after we've drafted a bit.
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