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W3C Architecture of The World Wide Semantic Web Task Force Teleconference

15 Sep 2009

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Jonathan_Rees_(jar), David_Booth, Michael_Hausenblas, Alan_Ruttenberg
Regrets
Chair
mhausenblas
Scribe
dbooth

Contents


 

 

<mhausenblas> ok, then ...

<mhausenblas> trackbot, start telecon

<trackbot> Date: 15 September 2009

<mhausenblas> hehe, yes ;)

Skeleton for AWWSW report

<mhausenblas> scribenick: dbooth

<mhausenblas> Michael: do it on the Wiki - somewhere http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswHome/ ?

<mhausenblas> http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswHome/DraftReport

<mhausenblas> http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswGenericResource

We're brainstorming what sections to put in draft report

<mhausenblas> http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswNoodlingDiagrams

jar: The thing that I like best is the Noodling Diagrams ontology.

<mhausenblas> http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswNoodlingDiagrams

<mhausenblas> http://purl.org/NET/inforesource

dbooth: I think it would make sense to pose a number of questions/topics and say what we think about them. For example, we might be in agreement or we might have diverse opinions.

jar: Like a cafeteria.

<jar> http://w3.org/2001/tag/awwsw/http.owl

<jar> from July 6

<jar> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/57

<jar> http://www.w3.org/mid/760bcb2a0906150844j52115a36vb369b05f50e37e0e%2540mail.gmail.com

michael: Is there anything we can propose or advise to the TAG?

jar: I suggest we build around some ontology, maybe starting with what I've done. And things that are not explicitly supported by the specs can be included on a cafeteria basis.
... e.g., I wrote a shell script that starts to implement this ont. It makes a few inferences that don't follow from the specs.

<mhausenblas> Michael: three proposals for input: (i) discovery/LRDD, (ii) list existing/related vocs, and (iii) motivation/application

<jar> I have a shell script. Showed it at the TAG F2F. Need to find and post it.

michael: should also say something about other existing resources, ssuch as Harry and Valentina's ont.

alan: should we say something about HTTPbis? or what we would like the TAG to do?
... Might say "these are the 3 most important issues we think you should interact w IETF on".

jar: At the June TAG f2f I presented this ont -- sorry it was my story and not the group's -- and included a shell script that concludes things about the interaction. It was a very good session, and people were actually interested and engaged, not only TimBL but Noah, Larry, Henry.
... Talking about formal models is MUCH more helpful than talking about principles. Not only were they engaged, but they GOT the chaos that I've been discussing.
... TAG's charter is to produce arch recommendations, and TimBL likes the idea of having a formal model as the basis for AWWW volume 2.

<jar> http://w3.org/2001/tag/awwsw/jar-diagram-7.pdf

jar: Blue boxes are basically http-in-rdf ontology
... Get200Candidate is a resource that you COULD return a 200 for.
... My shell script takes a URI and generates RDF.

<mhausenblas> RRSAgent. draft minutes

<scribe> Meeting: AWWSW

<scribe> Chair: Michael

michael: would be good to run your script and show some data generated.

dbooth: in your ont, there are three kinds of boxes: 1. white boxes, which are basically IR-like notions; 2. blue boxes, which are mechanics of http (http-in-rdf vocabulary); and 3. yellow boxes, which try to join the two: they are semantics of the exchange. What's being said by the resource by the http interaction.

<mhausenblas> Michael: agree with the 'cafeteria' approach, however, rough structure needs to be decided

<mhausenblas> ... would propose

<jar> http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswHome?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=nose-follow.sh

<mhausenblas> 1. Motivation/Application areas, then 2. Onto/cafeteria, 3. related stuff

dbooth: how does jar's ont compare with the ont and rules I did a year ago? http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswDboothsRules

jar: Your rules correspond with my shell script. We'd have to compare the other parts of the ont.

<scribe> ACTION: dbooth to compare jar's ont at http://w3.org/2001/tag/awwsw/http.owl with dbooth's ont at http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswDboothsRules [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/15-awwsw-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-20 - Compare jar's ont at http://w3.org/2001/tag/awwsw/http.owl with dbooth's ont at http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswDboothsRules [on David Booth - due 2009-09-22].

<scribe> ACTION: Michael to work on outline of draft report [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/15-awwsw-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-21 - Work on outline of draft report [on Michael Hausenblas - due 2009-09-22].

michael: should be bug TimBL to come?

dbooth: Might be best to bug him when we REALLY want him, like after we've drafted a bit.

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: dbooth to compare jar's ont at http://w3.org/2001/tag/awwsw/http.owl with dbooth's ont at http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswDboothsRules [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/15-awwsw-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Michael to work on outline of draft report [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/15-awwsw-minutes.html#action02]
 
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