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SVG Working Group Teleconference

09 Sep 2009

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Doug_Schepers, [IPcaller], anthony, heycam, ChrisL
Regrets
Chair
Cameron
Scribe
anthony

Contents


 

 

<trackbot> Date: 09 September 2009

<scribe> Scribe: anthony

Returning to two telcons per week

AG: I say yes

CM: ED mentioned we should switch back to two telcons a week
... I feel we're busy with other stuff atm

DS: I've been working on other stuff at the moment
... and people have been on vacation
... I don't think an extra telcon a week for the next three weeks
... will help me much
... as I have heaps of stuff to do still

<ChrisL> +1, reconsider after f2f

AG: Ok, so maybe we should revisit this after the Open?

CM: Ok sounds good to me

SVG Open F2F venue, agenda

http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVGOpen_F2F_2009

CM: I don't think JW confirmed this in a telcon
... was hoping he'd put some concrete details on the wiki page

DS: It is at Mozilla

CL: Making those edits now

AG: So turn up 9am on a Sat out the front

http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/about/contact.html

AG: Just down the road from where we are staying

CM: for Agenda I'd like to do a final review of SVG in HTML
... I will try to produce a summary of the current status
... before the meetings
... I told the HTML WG we'd do this at the F2F
... and get back to them with any final issues

AG: I'd like to look at the Canvas stuff that Doug split out

CL: I'll have been to an XSL meeting
... the week before
... I'd like to report back on that
... bits they are interested in
... is the path syntax that we use
... to produce shapes to flow their text into
... and they want to use our colour management stuff, and thirdly webfonts

CM: Would be good to look at modules
... and put some stuff into SVG 2.0

CL: We can still have errata for 2nd edition
... need to decide if we are going to do about the outstanding errata
... I thought we were shooting to get this done before the Open

CM: A few issues
... and tests
... there's still a number of tests to be reviewed
... and we have to approve those
... and generate a new version of the test suite
... As far as the spec goes there's not much else

AG: Do you think it's feasible to take some time out
... to get some of the test stuff done

CL: It would be good to produce an implementation report for the new tests
... helps to move to recommendation when we can show that various implementations pass those tests

CM: I think now at this stage not all tests will be passed by all implementations

CL: What we want to show is we haven't done random changes

CM: So it's not a concern that not all implementations pass the tests

CL: Do we have an idea of how many implementations pass?

CM: Most were passed by one
... If they were simple things then I could code them up - if they're not much effort
... I think working on the test suite will take the most time
... once we have everyone in the room

<scribe> ACTION: Cameron to Fill in F2F agenda in wiki page with topics that we would like to discuss at the meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-svg-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2665 - Fill in F2F agenda in wiki page with topics that we would like to discuss at the meeting [on Cameron McCormack - due 2009-09-16].

DS: Doug explains Ref tests

getIntersectionList and getEnclosureList

http://www.w3.org/mid/20090908070015.GG20854@wok.mcc.id.au

CM: Looking into these two methods
... and came across an email
... and created an issue from it
... email was from Thomas
... from the test in the description in the methods

<ChrisL> (anthony, text-tspan-02-b.svg is now reviewed, wiki updated)

CM: the second argument is not clear
... the spec says the elements drawn underneath are only applicable for the method
... or something like that
... which is unclear

<heycam> "If not null, then only return elements whose drawing order has them below the given reference element."

AG: I'd interpret that as painters algorithm
... but I could be wrong

CM: Batik has interpreted that as visually painted underneath
... I'm not sure why that would be useful
... the other way of interpreting it is the root of the sub tree
... my guess is that the intention was to use that element as the sub root restriction

AG: I guess it makes sense if you know roughly where the thing you're looking for is

CM: Does anyone know off hand if these two are implemented in Opera
... I know it's not implemented in Webkit or Firefox
... I guess we can discuss this later when ED and JW are around

DS: I think if these aren't widely implemented we should consider
... how to make them more user friendly for SVG 2

CL: Is it because it's worded poorly, or is it because it doesn't seem useful
... we need to find out why
... it would be good to find out what the reason was why it wasn't implemented

DS: If it's not implemented it also gives us an opportunity to figure out if this is what people want to do
... we could see if there's a better way of doing something

XSLT output dispatching load event

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=386856#c6

CM: Perhaps we can use the DOM content loaded event
... that gets fired when all of the markup is present
... once everything is run
... and the last tag is parsed

DL: It started in Firefox

CM: I think other browsers have implemented that as well

AG: So you're thinking if we had that
... then XSLT could be dispatched after that event is fired

CM: Yeah, whether the XSLT is created as it is serialised or after everything is loaded
... as long as they look the same
... I looked HTML 5 spec and this issue is pretty much unspecified

CL: they say either way is fine
... We're not going to get much luck in getting in there
... it needs to be in neither spec actually
... my preference is the content author doesn't care which way it's done

CM: Normally when you run the document scripts are run as you parse
... then you have the problem if the scripts are run after everything is parsed
... I wrote a test and it seems I was testing slightly the wrong thing
... but the load event gets dispatched to the window object
... for the XSLT output
... with a load event being dispatched to the window object with HTML
... SVG we don't really have that
... it's dispatched to the element
... so that's where our problems come in

<scribe> ACTION: Cameron to Email the HTML WG about XSLT generated events and when they should fire [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-svg-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2666 - Email the HTML WG about XSLT generated events and when they should fire [on Cameron McCormack - due 2009-09-16].

<heycam> ACTION-2666: make an issue for it too

<trackbot> ACTION-2666 Email the HTML WG about XSLT generated events and when they should fire notes added

<heycam> ACTION: cameron to ferret in batik code to look for linear rgb -> srgb conversion [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-svg-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2667 - Ferret in batik code to look for linear rgb -> srgb conversion [on Cameron McCormack - due 2009-09-16].

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Cameron to Email the HTML WG about XSLT generated events and when they should fire [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-svg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: cameron to ferret in batik code to look for linear rgb -> srgb conversion [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-svg-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Cameron to Fill in F2F agenda in wiki page with topics that we would like to discuss at the meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-svg-minutes.html#action01]
 
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