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<trackbot> Date: 09 September 2009
<scribe> Scribe: anthony
AG: I say yes
CM: ED mentioned we should switch
back to two telcons a week
... I feel we're busy with other stuff atm
DS: I've been working on other
stuff at the moment
... and people have been on vacation
... I don't think an extra telcon a week for the next three
weeks
... will help me much
... as I have heaps of stuff to do still
<ChrisL> +1, reconsider after f2f
AG: Ok, so maybe we should revisit this after the Open?
CM: Ok sounds good to me
http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVGOpen_F2F_2009
CM: I don't think JW confirmed
this in a telcon
... was hoping he'd put some concrete details on the wiki
page
DS: It is at Mozilla
CL: Making those edits now
AG: So turn up 9am on a Sat out the front
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/about/contact.html
AG: Just down the road from where we are staying
CM: for Agenda I'd like to do a
final review of SVG in HTML
... I will try to produce a summary of the current status
... before the meetings
... I told the HTML WG we'd do this at the F2F
... and get back to them with any final issues
AG: I'd like to look at the Canvas stuff that Doug split out
CL: I'll have been to an XSL
meeting
... the week before
... I'd like to report back on that
... bits they are interested in
... is the path syntax that we use
... to produce shapes to flow their text into
... and they want to use our colour management stuff, and
thirdly webfonts
CM: Would be good to look at
modules
... and put some stuff into SVG 2.0
CL: We can still have errata for
2nd edition
... need to decide if we are going to do about the outstanding
errata
... I thought we were shooting to get this done before the
Open
CM: A few issues
... and tests
... there's still a number of tests to be reviewed
... and we have to approve those
... and generate a new version of the test suite
... As far as the spec goes there's not much else
AG: Do you think it's feasible to
take some time out
... to get some of the test stuff done
CL: It would be good to produce
an implementation report for the new tests
... helps to move to recommendation when we can show that
various implementations pass those tests
CM: I think now at this stage not all tests will be passed by all implementations
CL: What we want to show is we haven't done random changes
CM: So it's not a concern that not all implementations pass the tests
CL: Do we have an idea of how many implementations pass?
CM: Most were passed by one
... If they were simple things then I could code them up - if
they're not much effort
... I think working on the test suite will take the most
time
... once we have everyone in the room
<scribe> ACTION: Cameron to Fill in F2F agenda in wiki page with topics that we would like to discuss at the meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-svg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2665 - Fill in F2F agenda in wiki page with topics that we would like to discuss at the meeting [on Cameron McCormack - due 2009-09-16].
DS: Doug explains Ref tests
http://www.w3.org/mid/20090908070015.GG20854@wok.mcc.id.au
CM: Looking into these two
methods
... and came across an email
... and created an issue from it
... email was from Thomas
... from the test in the description in the methods
<ChrisL> (anthony, text-tspan-02-b.svg is now reviewed, wiki updated)
CM: the second argument is not
clear
... the spec says the elements drawn underneath are only
applicable for the method
... or something like that
... which is unclear
<heycam> "If not null, then only return elements whose drawing order has them below the given reference element."
AG: I'd interpret that as
painters algorithm
... but I could be wrong
CM: Batik has interpreted that as
visually painted underneath
... I'm not sure why that would be useful
... the other way of interpreting it is the root of the sub
tree
... my guess is that the intention was to use that element as
the sub root restriction
AG: I guess it makes sense if you know roughly where the thing you're looking for is
CM: Does anyone know off hand if
these two are implemented in Opera
... I know it's not implemented in Webkit or Firefox
... I guess we can discuss this later when ED and JW are
around
DS: I think if these aren't
widely implemented we should consider
... how to make them more user friendly for SVG 2
CL: Is it because it's worded
poorly, or is it because it doesn't seem useful
... we need to find out why
... it would be good to find out what the reason was why it
wasn't implemented
DS: If it's not implemented it
also gives us an opportunity to figure out if this is what
people want to do
... we could see if there's a better way of doing something
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=386856#c6
CM: Perhaps we can use the DOM
content loaded event
... that gets fired when all of the markup is present
... once everything is run
... and the last tag is parsed
DL: It started in Firefox
CM: I think other browsers have implemented that as well
AG: So you're thinking if we had
that
... then XSLT could be dispatched after that event is fired
CM: Yeah, whether the XSLT is
created as it is serialised or after everything is loaded
... as long as they look the same
... I looked HTML 5 spec and this issue is pretty much
unspecified
CL: they say either way is
fine
... We're not going to get much luck in getting in there
... it needs to be in neither spec actually
... my preference is the content author doesn't care which way
it's done
CM: Normally when you run the
document scripts are run as you parse
... then you have the problem if the scripts are run after
everything is parsed
... I wrote a test and it seems I was testing slightly the
wrong thing
... but the load event gets dispatched to the window
object
... for the XSLT output
... with a load event being dispatched to the window object
with HTML
... SVG we don't really have that
... it's dispatched to the element
... so that's where our problems come in
<scribe> ACTION: Cameron to Email the HTML WG about XSLT generated events and when they should fire [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-svg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2666 - Email the HTML WG about XSLT generated events and when they should fire [on Cameron McCormack - due 2009-09-16].
<heycam> ACTION-2666: make an issue for it too
<trackbot> ACTION-2666 Email the HTML WG about XSLT generated events and when they should fire notes added
<heycam> ACTION: cameron to ferret in batik code to look for linear rgb -> srgb conversion [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-svg-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2667 - Ferret in batik code to look for linear rgb -> srgb conversion [on Cameron McCormack - due 2009-09-16].
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