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SSNXG 09-Sep-2009

09 Sep 2009

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Attendees

Present
+1.206.662.aaaa, +1.410.218.aabb, +1.410.218.aacc, +200000aadd, rgarcia, kerry, Arthur, +1.937.775.aaff, +1.410.218.aagg, victor, krp, mcompton, +1.410.218.aahh, ocorcho, Rodrigo, +1.301.497.aakk
Regrets
Chair
kerry
Scribe
kerry

Contents


 

agenda

meeting SSNXG 09-Sep-2009

<kgann> +1-410-218-3315

<kgann> I heard noisy too!

akim, whi is noisy?

<krzysztof_j> hi

<kgann> no sound for me either

<kgann> sorry - my cell phone singal is fading...

can you hear me as chair?

<victor> hi all

can you hear me?

<Arthur> i can hear you

<krp> Hi Kerry, just on, yes I can hear you

<krzysztof_j> yes

<krzysztof_j> but very bad :(

<kgann> i'm back now...

<krp> A bit muffled, but not too terrible

ok - 'ill use the irc a lot

please look at it!

<kgann> ok

please keep eye on irc as voice quality is poor

<kgann> my cell phone singal is very weak, I'll stay on irc from now on...

roll call?

: australia

+kerry

west coast us

east coast us

+britain?

europe

is that it?

echo..

who is talking?

<krp> Yes, that's better

sarting.

<kgann> It's good now...

f2f

comment on f2f anyone?

no response?

<krp> Agenda looks better now, the more time for thrashing through details on ontology etc. the better!

ssn09

<kgann> i switch to my company's phone 301-497-2800

11 submissions

<krzysztof_j> great!

<kgann> yeah!

we decided to aceept everything ue the range

some papers will be very short for pesentation

early reg finshes this week

aqny questions?

<ocorcho> +2

<ocorcho> +q

agenda not confimed

time is very short

little space only

<kgann> any registration fees for ssn09?

one option would be to have no keynote?

more discussion time

<kgann> how to register?

<ocorcho> 180$ if I am not wrong

<ocorcho> iswc2009.semanticweb.org

<kgann> thanks!

<ocorcho> I would prefer no keynote

<kgann> me too!

<ocorcho> but more discussion

<krzysztof_j> same for me

<krzysztof_j> ack

ok -- i 'll raise with the other chairs

thankyou those whu submitted

tahnk you to reviewers, and kevin

qustions?

use cases

3or 4 critical cases today

http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Favorite_Use_Cases_List

look at that: quite along list of ideas

have been asked to vote

lots of ideas at the bottom should be at the top

<Danh_DERI> I can't not dial in, it said Conference code is not valid

<Danh_DERI> I can't not dial in, it said Conference code is not valid

danh -- perhaps we are 15 already?

i am trying hard to get it all on irc anyway

<Danh_DERI> I suppose so

<Danh_DERI> I suppose so

volunteer to lead discussion on use cases?

is ther anyone with an interst who has not yet voted?

<ocorcho> I have not voted

<ocorcho> just arrived after a long time

<kgann> I haven't

<ocorcho> on holidays

<krp> Not voted yet either

<krzysztof_j> same for me (was on holidays)

<mcompton> me too

<ocorcho> probably I will go mostly for device discovery and data discovery use cases

<kelsey> what is the distinction between " Use Cases Receiving Votes" and " Candidate Use Cases"? ...both have votes.

dave, some of us didn't follow instructions

<rgarcia> No idea

things from the bottom are moved to the top with the first vote.

<krp> Ah, so everything should be up top, since each has a vote

<victor> I suppose, fml stand for first, middle, last

<victor> so fml is not a vote

<krp> Good point Victor!

<mcompton> I think you're right victor

<rgarcia> :)

<krp> Ooops.

vurge you to vote!

urge to vote!

<krp> So these are our "most" important use cases against which we'll validate the ontologies...

<krzysztof_j> maybe we could use a doodle to vote for the use cases (would be easier)

yes

<krp> ... because we don't expect to have the resource to work up enough coverage in use cases to derive requirements from

actually i prefer this -- its very visible who and what

<rgarcia> The wiki is more informative

<krp> (in a moment, I'll just shift to a quiet room!)

kevin -- can you talk?

questions?

select 3 or 4 to validate ontology against

comment?

<mcompton> +q

<ocorcho> -q

<krp> Right, it's a chain that pulls in most of the other MMI use cases

<victor> I agree, use case 1 is a general use case

compton: the first use cases covers most of te others

<ocorcho> no

<krp> But will breaking it down - and then presumably selecting just a few of the constituent parts - be as useful?

<krp> I mean, we're not saying we don't want it to do the full set :)

i suggest votes who choose use case 1 , also look further and choose more

<mcompton> +q

did anyone hear michael?

<krp> Not well enough

<mcompton> sorry ... seemed to echo

oscar - pls mute !

<mcompton> I'll type

<victor> Ya lot of eco

<krp> Oscar, I think zakim unmuted you

<mcompton> Find a device outputing a certain type could be more general - find a device making the measurement we want, and if the output isn't the right type then compose with a function that transforms the type to what we want

<mcompton> or in another way alters/composes etc

<mcompton> when we say find ... do we really mean find and compose, or find and process to make what we want

<mcompton> ...this is more how, say, web services would view such a process

<rgarcia> I think that it is more the business logic of some function/service than the model of the ontology

<mcompton> not arguing that it's the ontolgy, it's part of the use case though

<mcompton> ...though in a second I'll argue that it's part of the ontly

<mcompton> (sorry ontology)

while i am very fond of the idea -- i don't think we should burden the ontology with it

<rgarcia> Yes, that is a use case

<rgarcia> +q

could you pls summarise on irc -- sound still not great?

<rgarcia> Do we have virtual sensors in the current us cases?

<rgarcia> Do we need them?

<rgarcia> +1

<kelsey> +1

add them mike ( I would add them as separate to avoid confusion)

<krp> +1 yes, seems sensible

+1

<victor> +1

<mcompton> ok, I'll update the page

<rgarcia> +q

3 kinds of use cases?

<krp> +q

is the voting adequate for this?

<krp> I think the voting is adequate, but the use cases are quite mixed

<kgann> yes

<krp> some are quite detailed, and map to a relatively small bit of sensor functionality

<krp> while other (the non-MMI ones?) are a bit higher level and, uh, motivational?

<kelsey> agree w/ Kevin, would be nice if 1. a single person would manage/vet the list (e.g. at the same level of fidelity); 2. we set a deadline for the voting to complete

<krp> the higher level ones won't be as useful for validation, because their scope goes beyond the device ontology

i can hear you well!

<kgann> ditto

+q

suggest deadline in 2 wekks prior to meeting.

<kelsey> +1

<ocorcho> +1

<mcompton> +1

volunteer to tidy list

and accept sinput from other via the public email?

<scribe> ACTION: vote before next meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-ssn-minutes.html#action01]

no volunteer?

<Arthur> I can do it

<scribe> ACTION: arthur to tidy list and ensure internal consistency [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-ssn-minutes.html#action02]

others: send email to publis list for Artur to action

<krp> Hmmm, I think the issue is that the higher level use cases might need breaking down (if we want to achieve the same level of fidelity), and that's probably a bunch more work

<kelsey> should hold off voting until the list is "finished"? ...perhaps that can be indicated either on the wiki (ref. http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Favorite_Use_Cases_List) or in the mailing list or both?

<krp> I'll try and pen something to the list.

stop voting to complete ths list first?

<krp> We could always have a second round vote/re-vote once the list is complete?

<mcompton> votes might drive some of the discussion

<kgann> good idea!

yes

<scribe> ACTION: keep voting -- we'll do another vote after the list is final [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-ssn-minutes.html#action03]

commnets on use cases?

<krp> Final list for next telecon then?

<krp> Then second round vote?

<kelsey> +1

<scribe> ACTION: final use case list decision next meeting; then vote again [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-ssn-minutes.html#action04]

any more comments?

<scribe> topic : aob

<scribe> topic : next week

no meeting next week -- back at this time foillowing week

close the meeting

<victor> bye

<ocorcho> bye

<Rodrigo> bye

<mcompton> bye

<kgann> bye!

<rgarcia> bye

<krzysztof_j> bye

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: arthur to tidy list and ensure internal consistency [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-ssn-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: final use case list decision next meeting; then vote again [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-ssn-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: keep voting -- we'll do another vote after the list is final [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-ssn-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: vote before next meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-ssn-minutes.html#action01]
 
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