SWD WG

ADMIN

PROPOSE to accept the minutes of the last telecon

http://www.w3.org/2009/08/11-swd-minutes.html

RESOLUTION: accept the minutes

tom: 110th teleconference (!)
... should be last, but some discussion about continuing WG to
... finish up some RDFa things.

RDFa

Ben: Been mired in discussions re HTML5.

<Guus> i suggest to drop this action on UC for RDFa doc

Ben: main reason to continute RDFa. As we figure out relationship with HTML WG,
... there are issues to address. Some extra time would be useful
... if we continue WG, then keep this action?

Guus: drop it.

<scribe> ACTION: Ben review RDFa Use Cases and propose transition to Group Note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02] [DROPPED]

Tom: What do we need to do to clean this up?

<Ralph> Working Drafts no longer in development

Ralph: don't need to explicilty do anything. Category on TR page
... eventually web master does garbage collection and will move things in here.
... No explicit action needed. Once charter expires, the draft will wind up there.

Tom: Any comments on other RDFa issues? Or role of SWD?

Ben: Main issue is that there is a conflict in HTML5 (only HTML WG that can produce Recs).
... despite best efforts, RDFa isn't in working draft (even in draft form). What are the issues?
... some claims for technical incompatabilities, which they (e.g. Ben et al) don't necessarily believe
... initial idea to have a new WG for RDFa. This might be premature. Should work together for
... a bit longer to see where we can get.

Ralph: Ben suggested that this group ask to continue past Sept. Should we consider that now>

Ben: happy to chair remaining work as SKOS is done

Tom: proposal is that this group ask that the group continue past december in order to continue work on RDFa.

<edsu> danbri: glad you could make it :)

Tom: WG would continue not necessarily with the current chairs or set of people.
... any comments about that? For or against?

<Zakim> Ralph, you wanted to ask about a continued role for SKOS ?

Ralph: Could we combine with ongoing SKOS discussions
... thesaurus/SKOS community questions

Tom: extending charter opens possibilities of SKOS discussions past this telecon.
... Expect technical issues for SKOS finished today.

Ralph: If we ask for a charter extension, we need to say what we're going to do.

<edsu> Ralph: does this not count "Finally, the SWDWG is chartered to complete the collaboration with the W3C HTML Activity to specify a W3C Recommendation on incorporating RDF semantics directly into HTML documents." in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/swdwg-charter ?

<danbri> +1 on simple short extension

Ralph: in my experience as team contact, this shouldn't be controversial.

PROPOSED that the WG charter be extended through to end December 2009 in order to perform outreach with the SKOS, RDFa and HTML communities.

<Ralph> +1

Tom: propose that we resolve this text

RESOLVED that the WG charter be extended through to December 2009 in order to perform outreach with the SKOS, RDFa and HTML communities.

Tom: Take the administrative aspects offline.

Best Practice Recipes for Publishing RDF Vocabularies

<scribe> ACTION: Ralph to publish http://berrueta.net/recipes-20090407/ as a WG Note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-swd-minutes.html#action07] [CONTINUES]

Tom: Thanks to Diego and Jon for the excellent work. And Ralph for publishing

Adding Metadata to W3C Technical Reports, Editor's Draft 02 October 2008

Tom: Nothing to report

SKOS

Tom: SKOS now Rec.

<Ralph> 3 cheers for SKOS!

Tom: Quite an impressive piece of work. Honoured to have participated over the 110 telecons!
... few details.

<scribe> ACTION: Antoine to send an answer to Elliott's mail [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/11-swd-minutes.html#action03] [DONE]

<scribe>see -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Aug/0015.html

<scribe> ACTION: Antoine to respond to Daniel Barclay's mail by the mail in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Jul/0022.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/11-swd-minutes.html#action04] [DONE]

see -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Aug/0029.html

<scribe> ACTION: Ed and Antoine to provide before 17 August a pointer to the latest version [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/11-swd-minutes.html#action02] [DONE]

see -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Aug/0030.html

<scribe> ACTION: Ralph to publish the UC document as a group note at the time of recommendation [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/11-swd-minutes.html#action05] [DONE]

<scribe> ACTION: Sean to update the implementation report [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/11-swd-minutes.html#action06] [DONE]

<scribe> ACTION: Alistair to respond to Felix and implement the changes resulting from our resolution to ISSUE-224 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/11-swd-minutes.html#action01] [DONE]

see -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Aug/0022.html

Tom: Namespace dereferencing problem

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Aug/0050.html

scribe: Namespace URI resolves to CR version of splash page

sean: this is what there is, so it needs tidying
... how best should I do this?

<Ralph> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090315/skos.html

ralph: edit the document in place and we'll move it into TR.

<scribe> ACTION: sean to fix doc at -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090315/skos.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/25-swd-minutes.html#action09]

<Ralph> [may require me to buy the Webmaster a beverage]

<scribe> ACTION: Ralph to move into TR space -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090315/skos.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/25-swd-minutes.html#action10]

<Ralph> http://www.w3.org/TR/skos-reference/

Tom: Latest version URI of SKOS reference doesn't have a closing slash.

Ralph: preference is not to have trailing slash

Tom: Any other issues?
... Question that Dan raised about acknowledgements to credit projects
... Ralph suggested revising the acknowledgements with an errata note.
... Or could do it in context of SKOS community page.
... no one shouting for fixing

<danbri> I don't think editing the formal acks is needed... but we can ack funding sources and projects more visibly, to encourage EU et al to do more such funding

Tom: Community after the SWD.
... Home page, wiki, mailing list.

<danbri> (looming POWDER REC might be another opportunity , that was also EU-incubated)

Tom: Team contact after WG ends charter is Ivan, but he's responsible for so much, it's
... unrealistic to expect much from him other than basic maintenance
... would like to propose that we think of having a designated SKOS community contact
... (or contacts) with names up there and write access to the pages/wiki etc.
... maintain mailing list and report to Ivan
... informal feedback that this would be a reasonable thing to do
... any other proposals or approaches?

Ralph: Antoine's been updating the SKOS homepage. Thanks!

Antoine: Not up to date with latest rec :-)
... would be happy to keep on with keeping the site up to date.

Ralph: Alistair?

Alistair: unlikely to have any time

<edsu> +q

Tom: Would be good if whoever it is (e.g. Antoine) is acknowledged on the web page as a
... contact person. Ideally that contact would also take requests from community and discuss with Ivan.
... slightly bigger scope than just maintaining a web page. Antoine?

Antoine: Ok. Think we can go far with existing infrastructure. Already a good starting point

Tom: how much activity on the ESW wiki?

<Ralph> SkosDev on ESW Wiki

Antoine: Not much, but many of the issues and developments were taken care of.
... No need to do much with the wiki

<Ralph> "SkosDev (last edited 2006-09-21 12:37:34 by JakobVoss)"

Tom: Is wiki linked to SKOS home page?
... if we have an existing wiki and it's functioning, then ok,

<danbri> TomB? I'm afraid I have to leave (unexpectedly) v soon too

Tom: Proposal on the table for SKOS community is to have Antoine function as a community contact listed on the SKOS homepage. Community contact will maintain wiki (SkosDev on esw) and mailing list (esw) and function as a point of contact for those wishing to do any further.

<Zakim> danbri, you wanted to mention incubator option (eg. for extensions for subject classification languages like UDC) - is "going back to an incubator" a regress?

danbri: Wanted to draw attention to W3C Incubator. May seem retrograde to go back to incubator

<Ralph> +1 to XG for SKOS Extensions

danbri: but there are things bubbling under. Incubators come with infrastructure, wiki etc.

ed: Curious about proposal for dublin core community to assume some kind of role.

<danbri> (people's bosses also understand the idea of a named w3c group, and they don't much notice difference IG XG WG .... so having incubators might help people get permission to work on skos extensions)

<danbri> gotta run, sorry guys

Tom: proposal with DCMI hat on.

<danbri> great work and congrats again! i will read logs and sync with Tom/Guus

<aliman> cheers danbri

Tom: want to encourage community activities about SKOS, but need minimal mechanism to ensure communication and discussion

Ralph: thanks to Antoine for volunteering. Suggest reowrding that the WG nominate Antoine.
... ultimately Ivan's decision, but would be good to nominate

Alistair: Thanks Antoine. Links into pages on wiki. SKOS data zone and SKOS tool shed.
... places to register data and tools.

<Ralph> Ralph: alternative wording "The SWD WG nominates Antoine to be the maintainer of the SKOS Home page http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/ and the public-esw-thes mailing list"

Alistair: being able to find data and tools to process it are crucial
... haven't been able to keep these up to date. If someone had some time to keep thse

up to date would be great

scribe: some forum for support for definition of extensions. Getting together to develop an share extensions. XG for that
... sounds a reasonable idea.

PROPOSED The WG would like to nominate Antoine as a "SKOS Community Contact" to maintain the SKOS homepage, moderate the public-esw-thes mailing list, oversee the ESW wiki and discuss further issues within the community with Ivan (as head of SW Activity).

<Ralph> [the SKOS parts of the ESW wiki, specifically]

Antoine: homepage yes, mailing list yes, wiki may take a little more time
... discuss with Ivan is fine.

<Ralph> +1 to Antoine for SKOS King :)

Tom: overseeing doesn't mean updating pages. Means managing access/spam etc.
... "keeping an eye on it" rather than updating it.

<edsu> +1 for Antoine :)

Tom: this doesn't mean there's only *one* community contact....

<AntoineI> +1

RESOLVED The WG would like to nominate Antoine as a "SKOS Community Contact" to maintain the SKOS homepage, moderate the public-esw-thes mailing list, oversee the ESW wiki and discuss further issues within the community with Ivan (as head of SW Activity).

<Ralph> 3 cheers for Antoine

Tom: Thanks Antoine!

<aliman> +1 :)

Tom: Reached the end of the call and reached next steps for continuity with SKOS development.
... Opportunity if charter is extended to follow up.
... although not everyone will necessarily want to participate

Guus: Seven and a half years ago started as WG chair for OWL
... this has been a small and efficient group.
... It has been a real pleaure.
... hope to see you all in the future. Thanks!

<Ralph> 3 cheers for Guus and Tom!

<AntoineI> ++

Tom: It's been gr8.

<jphipps> +1 :)

<Ralph> [all out for beers :) ]

meeting adjourned!