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Web Applications Working Group Teleconference

29 Jul 2009

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Attendees

Present
[Microsoft], Shepazu, smaug, dand
Regrets
Chair
shepazu
Scribe
MSJacob

Contents


 

 

<trackbot> Date: 29 July 2009

<shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html

<shepazu> scribeNick: MSJacob

Deprecate DOMActivate

shepazu: seen content w/ DOMFocusIn and DOMFocusOut, if we can get SVG implementors to say it's ok to deprecate these, I would say that the SVG spec could (a) add an errata that says authors should use DOM3 Events focus and blur events
... problem is that adding features to a recommendation is not supposed to happen, but that may not be what is needed
... we could probably get away with simply noting a suggestion to use D3E focus/blur events
... content could be updated
... I'll bring this up with SVG wg next week

<dand> gday

shepazu: what about content not working in the browsers? but if this is what browser implementors want, then this is probably the best solution

<smaug> +1.617.761.6200

<smaug> 3663

<dand> cheers

shepazu: I'm concerned if people remove DOMActivate, there may be content that breaks

InputMode

<shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#events-Events-TextEvent

MSJacob: What can input mode multimodal be used for?

shepazu: combos of input methods (ex, voice "meet me here" then click on a map)

smaug: What is DOM_INPUT_METHOD_OPTION?

shepazu: select an option and it generates a text event (ex, xforms)

MSJacob: What about script-generated text inputs?

shepazu: I considered DOM_INPUT_SCRIPT, but that seems less descriptive. But thinking further, I might want to add it. What do other people think?

MSJacob: Test automation is free to fire textInput with whatever inputMethod it wants. But simply generating a text insertion via script should probably have its own input method.

smaug: No particular opinion.

shepazu: I'
... I'll add it in and we'll see.

focusin, focusout

shepazu: I added them in but I might deprecate them.

smaug: Add it and deprecate it? why?

shepazu: Included to provide context for supporting IE, but deprecated.

MSJacob: Including it simply for documentation of IE7/8 support doesn't make sense since IE doesn't support DOM events. But if they solve a different scenario, then they should be included.
... I may have usage data for sites in IE8 that I can send out.

mouseenter, mouseleave

<shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#events-event-mouseenter

<annevk> (link doesn't work)

<annevk> (btw, I read that text earlier today and I'm not sure event target is the term you want to use, isn't it about the node the listener is registered on?)

MSJacob: I think there's significant asks for this on the web. Specifically, the best argument is they are the equivelant of :hover pseudo-class.

smaug: the wording may not be exactly correct.

MSJacob: yes, the "propagation path must end at the event target element" is not exactly accurate

shepazu: we should have a more detailed discussion on the mailing list

What next for the spec?

shepazu: composition events, and detail of keyboard event behaviors
... no meeting next week, I'm out of town

dand: still some open issues with composition events
... some proposed API solutions, but not 100% sure....requires more discussion

shepazu: I'll put this in the spec and we'll keep on discussing
... maybe I'll make a wiki page that people can edit for open issues
... I've been talking to wacom about influencing tablet/touch events

<shepazu> trackbot, stop telcon

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Summary of Action Items

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