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<trackbot> Date: 22 July 2009
<shepazu> scribenick: smaug
<shepazu> scribe: Olli Pettay
shepazu: we are all awesome
MSjacob: smaug: the new draft looks reasonable
<dand> howdy
<shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html
<shepazu> there you go, dand
<dand> cheers
shepazu: some of the events needs
the be defined better, as per the comments sent to the mailing
list
... I'll add some more diagrams, for example about mouse events
handling
<dand> um, can't hear you all of a sudden
<dand> yeah, just done
smaug: I haven't commented about mouseenter/leave
shepazu: they just went in
... need to sort out when mouseenter/leave actually
happen
... DOMFocusIn/Out are deprecated
<shepazu> http://www.quirksmode.org/dom/events/index.html
shepazu: MSjacob to test DOMFocusIn/out vs focus/blur
<shepazu> ACTION: MSjacob to test DOMFocusIn/out vs focus/blur [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-webapps-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - MSjacob
<shepazu> ACTION: Travis to test DOMFocusIn/out vs focus/blur [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-webapps-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-386 - Test DOMFocusIn/out vs focus/blur [on Travis Leithead - due 2009-07-29].
MSjacob: there is no such thing like beforeblur/beforefocus. Should there be such thing?
IE has focusin which happens before focus changes
MSjacob: though, IE hasn't capture phase atm
ISSUE: resolve case of focusin in IE
<trackbot> Created ISSUE-92 - Resolve case of focusin in IE ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/92/edit .
MSjacob: there is need for relatedTarget to know where the focus is moving from
<scribe> ACTION: shepazu to add relatedTarget to UIEvent or to some new interface (for focus handling events) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-webapps-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-387 - Add relatedTarget to UIEvent or to some new interface (for focus handling events) [on Doug Schepers - due 2009-07-29].
<scribe> ACTION: smaug to test focus handling in gecko [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-webapps-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-388 - Test focus handling in gecko [on Olli Pettay - due 2009-07-29].
shepazu: it seems to me that only
firefox has implemented DOMActivate
... where else is DOMActivate used
http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/REC-xforms-20071029/#evt-activate
shepazu: svg might mention
DOMActivate too
... what implementations use it and who relies on it and what
are the use cases
... what content relies upon it
... I'm also concerned about a11y
... I'd like to invite comments about DOMActivate
... click is also pretty abstract
... I'll contact the WAI folks
yes
<shepazu> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2009JulSep/att-0010/compositionevent.txt
chaals: I agree, DOMFocusIn/Out/Activate could be deprecated
<MSJacob> Dan's composition events mail: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2009JulSep/0010.html
shepazu: I didn't know whether to add/use composition event or text events
do we need the cursor position data?
shepazu: maybe a property
.compositionTarget to the event?
... what kind of range could we add to the event?
dand: can say that composionstart
is fired before composion really starts
... so that cursor/focus can be moved to another place
shepazu: for now we develop this in D3E, but if it gets really complicated, may need to move elsewhere
<shepazu> ACTION: Dand to write up details of compositions selection and sequence [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-webapps-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Dand
<dand> http://www.danilatos.com/event-test/ime-test.html
shepazu: should this be like
defined now, or should a property be added to text event?
... I've been thinking to add a new property to textEvent
"origin"
... whether the text is from copy-paste/dnd/etc..
... would it be useful?
dand: yes, sounds useful
we need a list of most common possible values for the "origin"
<anne2> (and another name, origin is too confusing with the scheme/hostname/port tuple used for security purposes)
<shepazu> agreed, anne2
<shepazu> unknown, paste, IME, voice, handwriting, multimodal?
smaug: I'll test key+click event handling
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