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<hughb> josema: +073411 is me
<kevin> ouch what is the noise?
<hughb> squealing noise?
<kevin> sounds like a vacuum cleaner
<hughb> kevin: yes
<josema> and zakim cannot identify where it's coming from :(
<hughb> could be my handset
<hughb> let me unplug the headset
<josema> I suggest all to hung up and re-start the call
<hughb> was me
<josema> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Scribe_List
<josema> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Teleconferences
<josema> http://www.w3.org/2001/01/cgi-irc
<AdamHarvey> I wish I could scribe, but I field questions from my boss and coworkers during the meetings... sorry guys
<josema> scribe: josema
[brand is scribing offline]
[just summarized stuff in here, to be mixed after the meeting]
Jose: Next Meeting
Kevin: Need to meet during summer or extend out?
Daniel: What needs to be done?
Kevin: ETF has completed the charter for review by management. Jose has submitted the activity plan so some time in late August. Com Team is getting the message out. Where are we on rewriting the issues paper?
Kevin: Taking notes offline? Email
Brand: Yes
Rachel: On vacation for several weeks
Kevin: So 2nd week in August?
Several: Okay
Jose: August 19th?
All: Yes
http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Data-gov-memo
<Daniel_Bennett> fyi- Tim O'Reilly interview on WAMU about eGov http://wamu.org/programs/kn/09/07/21.php#27051
Kevin: Data.gov Memo. Lots of discussion on list serv. Jose's status
Jose: See discussion of document in wike - many comments - becoming long document - nice with different views. Timing for the document not dicussed - just brainstorming. Get idea of the big picture of putting gov data on line. Lots of questions on this document - complimenatry to TBL document?, etc. What to do?
Daniel: Sounds like no deadline.
[discussing timeline and window of opportunity]
[maybe O'Reilly Summit as milestone?]
Jose: complimenatry to TBL document?, etc. Need to have goals
Daniel: What some guidelines.
[Discussion about defining the audience and purpose
of the document as per ETF processes.]
Hugh: Jose, can you provide a little more detail
on the approaches you have been getting
... from representatives of governments about wanting some guidance?
Jose: Some governments belive in Linked Data and
others don't know what it is.
...Focus on former - so how to do it. eGov IG how to do it - more from policy
than technical
Rachel: Another good opportunity to promote W3C expertise.
Jose: Deliverables from Charter 1. Can release the Data.gov memo
Daniel: Timing of release - before Data.gov Summit or after?
Kevin: Agree with logic. DC shuts down in August. September gives us more time before Gov 2.0 Conference
Daniel: So have one more meeting - not enough time for ETF?
Rachel: By end of August? Sure! (Assumes a short document - several pages)
Kevin: Like Eric @ W3C had done - what opportunities and solutions are.
Daniel: Needs charts and diagrams.
Jose: Content is good but needs graphics. Who will do this?
Daniel: Oversee this and make diagrams.
Adam: I volunteer if you pick the content to be grahics.
Daniel: I will help Adam.
Adam: Sounds great.
Jose: Mumbling (in spanish :)
Daniel: Finished Agenda item
[adam, daniel volunteered to draw some diagrams for the memo]
<scribe> ACTION: adam to draft diagrams for the data.gov.* memo [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-egov-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-77 - Draft diagrams for the data.gov.* memo [on Adam Harvey - due 2009-07-29].
<scribe> ACTION: daniel to draft diagrams for the data.gov.* memo [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-egov-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-78 - Draft diagrams for the data.gov.* memo [on Daniel Bennett - due 2009-07-29].
LOL!
<AdamHarvey> I'll work with Daniel on that too.
Kevin: What ETF did
Jose: Who will take lead on content of document itself?
Daniel: Okay
Jose: Look at content and improve
Daniel: Use same tool as for action items. See items that need discussions and post them for dicussion before August 19th deadline
Several: Okay
Rachel: Reviewed draft - broke document into three sections and editied for Plain Language and assembled - Jose meshed it together at end.
HUgh: Missed
Rachel: Did a great job
Hugh:3 days doesn't provide a lot of chance for
feedback / questions, unless:
... * it's a very straightforward or familiar process or
... * (probably) the ETF editors and the normative version producer are in
... close timezones.
Rachel: Need to allow more time
Hugh: Jose made a few changes
Jose: Reasons for changes - a template to follow - had to change that and move around text to other sections - left HTML code the same
Hugh: Some of the changes were structural, but I
had simply copied the structure from that provided on the wiki
Jose: Missed - 2nd step to reach some flexibility. Then sent to W3M chaired by Rob S? review chanter and provide comments - received many comments and had to respond - see first reviewer comments - promising things in one section and then another - content essentially the same
Kevin: Need to recognize what those changes are
Jose: Can see different versions of document - need W3C tools (?) How to do it? W3C System is ??-based so have history but only accessible to W3C staff - could get access - waiting for comments from 2nd reviwer
Kevin: Need to digest what those changes are
Rachael: So can do better next time
Kevin: So next time know what to do better
Jose: Slow month at W3C - see what can do - see some and then more
Several: Okay
Kevin: Move on
Jose: Any questions on plan, etc. Need to see comments from Activitiy Committee - they know the value
Kevin: Member of the AC and Brand as well so can help. Last year little change
<scribe> ACTION: daniel to draft memo text based on what is there already [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-egov-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-79 - Draft memo text based on what is there already [on Daniel Bennett - due 2009-07-29].
<scribe> ACTION: adam to draft memo text based on what is there already [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-egov-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-80 - Draft memo text based on what is there already [on Adam Harvey - due 2009-07-29].
<john> Hi Hugh! Great work :)
<Daniel_Bennett> thanks Hugh
http://www.w3.org/2009/06/eGov/ig-charter
<john> Josema is explaining the ideosyncracies of W3C
<hughb> better understanding of exact requirements would help streamline the process
<john> josema is the only person who understands the W3C processes amongst us - it's byzantine
<scribe> ACTION: josema to produce HTML diff so IG could see W3M Review changes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-egov-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-81 - Produce HTML diff so IG could see W3M Review changes [on José Manuel Alonso - due 2009-07-29].
<john> sounds great
<john> and me
<hughb> bye!
<AdamHarvey> Goodnight Hugh!
<john> thanks hugh!
thanks hugh!
[kevin, josema review current activities, some media opportunities, events]
[that are being regularly reviewed with Comm/Edelman]
Kevin: Jose, John, Karen, etc. meeting every 1-2 weeks to discuss communication plan - submitted to Lisa Nelson to GSA Newsletter - waiting for feedback and incorporate in White paper. Jose comment about?
Jose: Rachel join us in a meeting about ETF work - they will be here to help us - have regular conference call (one today) a number of things comming up - agenda for today? desig Web page to be more appealing
Kevin: Add more - Vera pursuing more interest in GovTech article - out of focus for what we are doing - did respond with what we are doing for Data.gov and Recovery.gov - what gove to continue efforts - use open web standards for improving current and future web access - another article - contacted reported and made aware of W3C OLD activity - other contacts with interest - Kren doing a great job Michele ? continuing audt of Web site - more that wiki page - what we are indeed doing. Jose
question: Any web designers that can develop it?
Daniel: Where will this show up? A W3C offshoot. Deal with Content Management
Kevin: More a resources page that will sit off W3C infrastructures. Still have blog in mind. Get this up before we start doing this.
Jose: Lost contact. What we should do in terms of look and feel - new W3C web site (
Kevin: latter in the fall) Daniel (?) working on design with new tools
Daniel: Looking at code (PHP tool) trying to figure it out.
Jose: What do do about new eGov Page ...
Kevin: Trying to roll out higher level site - could be spring before done - looking for it sooner
Jose: Right
Jose: Not sure of timeline for new eGov Web page
- Michele doing it and discuss on call today - wait for results.
...Adam look at what trying to do and estimate time, etc.
Adam: Maybe Daniel as well.
Kevin: Working ...
<AdamHarvey> I'll help with design. I can't develop though
This will replace the current http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/
see beta W3C site look and feel: http://beta.w3.org/
<Daniel_Bennett> looks like this is being used http://www.smarty.net/
<john> for the start of new charter?
<Daniel_Bennett> for beta.w3.org
<AdamHarvey> Yup, I'm listening
<john> I will
<scribe> scribe: john
<josema> ACTION: daniel to take a look at eGov home design [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-egov-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-82 - Take a look at eGov home design [on Daniel Bennett - due 2009-07-29].
<josema> yup
<josema> ACTION: adam to take a look at eGov home design [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-egov-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-83 - Take a look at eGov home design [on Adam Harvey - due 2009-07-29].
Kevin: O'Reilly summit - case studies submitted
by Daniel and John. Also submitted panel idea
... waiting for outcomes of those submissions. Fingers crossed.
<AdamHarvey> Any chance there are extra invites to the Summit? I've never heard back from them.
<josema> adam, I think kevin's the man; we'll ask Edelman again later today, I think word was we won't hear from O'Reilly folks until early August?
<josema> I wonder if group heard of "our" presence at NYC hearing by the time... http://www.w3.org/QA/2009/07/data_in_the_city
Rachel: had conversations with folk, frustrated
by statutory requirements. Great to talk to passionate people, who want to make
gov on the web better
... lots of volunteer activity by people who want to help make gov on the web
better. Good atmosphere, exciting times.
Daniel: concurs with Rachel; big difference from
last year, government folks more engaged. Clear leadership coming from top of
Fed Gov
... but a focus on web standards seems missing - that's the opportunity for
us. Vivek Kundra did a great job.
Rachel: missed unveiling of IT dashboard
<josema> oh, no... so sorry!
Rachel: there was lots of whooting
Aside: this is so American - all this shouting and yelling. You guys! ;)
Rachel: represenatatives of federal web managers council will be joining CIO Council
Kevin: good to hear
Rachel: An exciting time to be in government
Kevin: anybody at OGI conference today and yesterday?
[no response]
<josema> http://eups20.wordpress.com/
Josema: a group of 8-10 people led by David
Osimo
... idea is, instead of a Ministerial declaration, do something else: put meat
into the thinking.
<josema> http://eups20.uservoice.com/
Josema: project is on same lines as open gov
initiative in US, using the uservoice platform
... opened for ideas, ended a week ago
<Daniel_Bennett> go jose!!!
Josema: many ideas, most voted was open
government data
... many other ideas were about OGD
<josema> http://mixedink.com/Eups20/Transparentgovernment
Josema: now gathering most compelling ideas, for
presenting to commission for ministerial declaration
... produce a doc that can be attached to declaration
... social media tools helped build engagement
... project was a good experience
John: Publishing on data.gov.uk
Jose: Public info?
John: Data is on the Web. Will post a link to see.
<john> http://transport.data.gov.uk/0/id/road/M5 or http://services.data.gov.uk/sparql
Jose: So it is now public
<Daniel_Bennett> oooh secret gov. data
<Daniel_Bennett> hmmmm. rdf data
<josema> congrats!!!
John: Not announced, but not a secret - it is an example
Kevin: Congrats
John: have quite a lot more and hopefully people will pay attention
Kevin: Okay to point to at Semantic Web Meetup on Thursday night?
John: Yes, and lots more coming. Took quite a big data set and did very quickly
Kevin: Anything else? Okay that is is. Jose anything else? Scribe for next meeting on the 19th.
Daniel: Volunteers
Kevin: Talk to you soon. Thank you.
<AdamHarvey> +1 to reconvene on August 19
<josema> next meeting: Aug, 19th
<josema> next scribe: daniel
<AdamHarvey> Thanks Daniel.
Daniel: I'll scribe
<josema> [ADJOURNED]
<AdamHarvey> hasta luego!