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<Jan> Chair: Jutta Treviranus
Greg can scribe
<Jan> Scribe: Greg
<Jan> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2009JulSep/0010.html
<Jan> New editors draft: http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2009/ED-ATAG20-20090717/
First item on agenda, take a look at Real Time publishing Note on the new editors draft
<Jan> Real-time publishing: ATAG 2.0 applies to authoring tools with workflows that involve real-time publishing of web content (e.g., some collaborative tools). For these authoring tools, conformance to Part B of ATAG 2.0 may involve some combination of real-time accessibility supports and additional accessibility supports available after the real-time authoring session (e.g., the ability to add...
<Jan> ...captions for audio that was initially published in real-time). For more information, see the Techniques - Appendix E: Real-time content production.
JR: Used to say real time authoring tools did not have to look at B, just A. This was considered a loophole, so here is the reworked content.
JS: Any problem addressing real time issues in Part A?
JR: Then agreed, the issue is Part B
JS above should be JR
<Jan> Resolution: To use wording: Real-time publishing: ATAG 2.0 applies to authoring tools with workflows that involve real-time publishing of web content (e.g., some collaborative tools). For these authoring tools, conformance to Part B of ATAG 2.0 may involve some combination of real-time accessibility supports and additional accessibility supports available after the real-time authoring...
<Jan> ...session (e.g., the ability to add captions for audio that was initially published in real-time). For more information, see the Techniques - Appendix E: Real-time content production.
<Jan> JR: Required Components of an ATAG 2.0 Conformance Claim...
<Jan> All: Claimant name and affiliation.: No objections.
<Jan> All: Conformance level satisfied.: No objections.
<Jan> All: Authoring tool information:: No objections.
<Jan> All: Included Technologies: No objections.
<Jan> All: Excluded Technologies: No objections.
<Jan> All: Declarations: No objections.
That completes the conformance section
Proposal on Decision Support by JT
Add another success criteria to B.2.1.x
<Jan> http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2009/ED-ATAG20-20090717/#principle-support-author
JT: Any objections to adding as a success criteria?
<Jan> Techs: http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2009/ED-ATAG20-TECHS-20090717/#principle-support-author
<Jan> GP: How to determine what is the most accessible way
<Jan> JT: Doesn't need to be "most accessible way"..just accessible vs not accessible
<Jan> GP: OK as long as techniques are not ranked over each other
<Jan> JT: Guidance can take various forms but its about ensuring authors can make informed choices
<Jan> JR: Objectins?
<Jan> Resolution: Add in new success criteria B.2.1.X Decision Support.
<Jan> GP: Back on previous question...
<Jan> GP: Would it be sufficient to have a mode where an author could turn off "onerous"
<Jan> JR: Doesn't need to be oneours...not a requirement to force author behaviour
<Jan> GP: But user might not want prompts etc
<Jan> JT: Right it might just be extra text
<Jan> GP: User jusdt wants to drop in images...because know where they go....
<Jan> GP: I see prompt...dialog...etc. in the examples in the techniques
<Jan> JT: OK we need to modify that text to include less obtrusive choices]
<Jan> JR: Could we just keep it yellow until we get the tech examples woked out?>
<Jan> GP: OK
<Jan> JT: Example from iPhone dev kit....
<Jan> JR: Can you send a screenshot?
<Jan> JT: Yes
<Jan> ACTION: JT to Screenshot of iphone dev enviro showing inobtrusive info [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/20-au-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-174 - Screenshot of iphone dev enviro showing inobtrusive info [on Jutta Treviranus - due 2009-07-27].
<Jan> GP: I like the idea...but don't want to require authors to use it at a partilar time in every case
<Jan> JT: Of course not
<Jan> JR: Please look at new approach in the techniques document
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