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Widgets Voice Conf

18 Jun 2009

Agenda

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Attendees

Present
Art, Josh, Marcin, AndyB, Benoit, Mike, David, Robin
Regrets
Marcos, Thomas, Frederick, AndySledd
Chair
Art
Scribe
Art

Contents


 

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Date: 18 June 2009

<abraun> me/ nope I was aaaa

Review and tweak agenda

AB: I submitted the draft agenda on June 17 (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/1028.html). Any change requests?

Announcements

AB: On June 12 the W3C legal staff announced a Public call for prior art on Widgets 1.0 Updates spec (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0937.html). Please read this announcement and respond accordingly.
... also, today, the First Public Working Drafts of both Widgets Access Requests Policy and Widgets URI Scheme will be published.

<timeless_mbp> So, I need to send off a final set of comments

AB: last announcement from me is reminder June 19 is the deadline for comments for the P&C LCWD
... any other announcements?

[ None ]

<scribe> ACTION: Barstow send reminder re Widgets Updates Call for Prior Art to public-webapps [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/18-wam-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-368 - Send reminder re Widgets Updates Call for Prior Art to public-webapps [on Arthur Barstow - due 2009-06-25].

<abraun> me is using chrome for today IRC session

MS: I need to move the FPWD to the right place today
... and then get the Web Master to create the appropriate link

AB: what is the ETA, Mike?

MS: I can make the move during this call
... and then ping Web Master to make the link

AB: great; I appreciate that

MS: the DigSig CR annoncement must get done today and OK'ed by PLH; should be no issues

AB: thanks for doing that Mike!

Comments from Dom Hazael-Massieux (12 June and 15 June)

AB: on June 12, Dom submitted comments ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0936.html ). We won't cover discuss his Editorial comment on June 15 ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0971.html ) since MC already fixed it.
... MC has not responded to this set of comments. Any feedback?
... ideally, responses to Dom should be sent to the mail list

Marcin: I reported the same probs against the ABNF
... and I think they are now fixed

AB: ok; good
... they appear to be non-substantive i.e. bugs that need to be fixed
... any other feedback on Dom's June 12 comments?

[ None ]

Comments from Francois Daoust (14 June)

AB: On June 14, Francois submitted some new comments ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0962.html ). There are three comments. Marcos has not responded to this set of comments. Any feedback?
... comment #2 identifies a bug that needs to be fixed before publishing a Candidate spec.
... comment #3 appears to be a suggestion for an optimization we should consider
... any comments or feedback re Francois' comments?

[ None ]

Comments from Opera (15 June; submitted by Marcos)

AB: On June 15, Marcos submitted another set of comments from Opera ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0975.html ), these from Martin Nilsson. Marcos has not responded to this set of comments. Any feedback?
... again, responding on public-webapps is encouraged
... these look like more bugs we need to fix before publishing a Candidate.

<timeless_mbp> oh, as a note... i ended up w/ one comment which is substantive

AB: any comments on Martin's email?

<timeless_mbp> it'll probably break us :(

Comments from Dom Hazael-Massieux (17 June)

AB: on June 17, Dom submitted some more comments ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/1021.html ). Marcos has not responded to this set of comments. Any feedback?
... this set of comments is from an assertion extraction exercise Dom did
... any comments on Dom's June 17 feedback?
... these appear to be Editorial and Bug Fixes
... any feedback on Dom's June 17 email?

[ None ]

P+C LCWD feedback by Josh Soref

JS: I've been discussing an issue with Marcos
... when a widget is requested, expect a single negotiation
... and can state which lang-based version I want
... and thus just get a single application i.e. widget
... don't want the UI to mix langs in the presentation
... its too easy for the author to make mistakes
... once en-us is decided, don't want fallbacks e.g. to fr
... must avoid a bunch of mixed strings

AB: I think we need Josh to send the UC and issues to the mail list

JS: I will send an email to the list that describes this issue

AB: any comments or feedback for Josh?
... without seeing the details, it appears Josh has identified at least one bug

JS: I just sent some emails

AB: any other comments or questions about the P+C LCWD?

[ None ]

Who should review the WARP spec?

DR: how does this proceed with tests and P+C?

AB: we will start the test cases after we publish the CR

DR: Kai has done some work

AB: yes, we need to review that

DR: what about time scales?

AB: my expectation is that Candidate phase will last at least 3 months
... if anyone has reason to believe we can create a comprehensive test suite in less time, I'd like to hear it
... any other questions about testing?

[ None ]

AB: I want to identify those groups we should explicitly ask for comments re the WARP spec. Naturally, the proposed DAP community is one target i.e. public-device-apis@w3.org. Are there any other groups?

RB: BONDI?

AB: Robin, do you want me to explicitly ask BONDI for comments?
... give me the mail list address

DR: the request would go thru me

<darobin> RB: not necessarily, but they've asked for this feature

<darobin> RB: I can do it

<scribe> ACTION: Barstow ask David to ask BONDI to review the FPWD of WARP spec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/18-wam-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-369 - Ask David to ask BONDI to review the FPWD of WARP spec [on Arthur Barstow - due 2009-06-25].

AB: are there any other groups?
... public-webapps will of course be added

DR: does the DAP mail list include all of the Dec 2008 workshop attendees?

AB: yes, I think that is true

DR: good; lots of diverse people then will see the annoucement

AB: I agree
... any other feedback?

[ None ]

<scribe> ACTION: Barstow send FPWD annoucement to DAP WG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/18-wam-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-370 - Send FPWD annoucement to DAP WG [on Arthur Barstow - due 2009-06-25].

Who should review the Widget URI Scheme spec?

AB: I want to identify those groups we should explicitly ask for comments re the Widget URI Scheme spec. Naturally, the TAG (www-tag@w3.org) and public-pkg-uri-scheme@w3.org. Are there any other groups?
... of course public-webapps will be annonced too

RB: I can talk to the TAG

AB: that's good to hear

RB: pk-uri may not be appropriate

AB: good point but I'd rather err on the side of over exposure
... any additional group?

[ None ]

AOB

AB: I don't have any discussion points
... does anyone?
... Meeting Ajourned

<scribe> ACTION: Barstow send FPWD announcement of URI Scheme spec to TAG, PKG-URI and WebApps [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/18-wam-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-371 - Send FPWD announcement of URI Scheme spec to TAG, PKG-URI and WebApps [on Arthur Barstow - due 2009-06-25].

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Barstow ask David to ask BONDI to review the FPWD of WARP spec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/18-wam-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Barstow send FPWD annoucement to DAP WG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/18-wam-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Barstow send FPWD announcement of URI Scheme spec to TAG, PKG-URI and WebApps [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/18-wam-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Barstow send reminder re Widgets Updates Call for Prior Art to public-webapps [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/18-wam-minutes.html#action01]
 
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