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<scribe> Scribe: wiecha
We'll shift to Monday at 14:30 once we hear from Gregory if that works for him.
Oct 6 is the end of our charter period
Could we also get a conf paper out of this work?
Steven, Jack: good idea
Document Engineering from ACM
also perhaps WWW
hard to get in
if we also did a deep dive on ubiquity that could work there
jack: also perhaps conferences on programming languages
focused on declarative web languages
Steven: have recently seen some conf announcements for declarative programming languages
<Steven> PPDP03: http://www.it.uu.se/ppdp03/
<Steven> Missed the deadline for this year's
for a venue like www we should talk a fair bit about ubuiquity as an enabling platform as well
and bring in mark and john as co-authors
Steven: and accessibility
given that's one of the advantages of declarative markups
Jack: for the report, we can pick any format we like? correct?
Steven: yes, we decide what goes in there
Jack: seem to be many angles
accessibility, integration, programmer productivity
Charlie: also the platform/ubiquity issues
jack: nail down these points, and then assume we do a chapter on each
then the conf paper can emphasize one or the other of these themes
e.g. for www, sw infrastructure, etc
Jack: might well be one person in the group who is reasonable first author for each topic
runtime platform (mark, john)
integration: data model as API, MVC binding ideas (Jack, Charlie, John)
other coordination patterns: relevance, explicit controllers like SMIL, SCXML
Mark as emphasized just the basic event-oriented coordination (vs. method invocation)
as a means for transparency and accessibility
emergence of new markups, e.g. SMIL and ODF
goes back to platform issues
reuse goes in integration
data-driven UIs, e.g. repeat's as higher level coordination pattern between model and view
not necessarily tied to xf:repeat but a more general pattern
what about the XG "report"
what's the means to deliver?
how best do we have impact on the W3C with the XG report per se?
TPAC is still on
Philippe's demo got a fair bit of attention at the AC meeting
how do we make the "inside" story compelling?
Steven: what are we trying to achieve, a WG, Interest Group? or are we done?
make it compelling that we've used the current runtime/browsers for new markups
Steven: so make the case for a standard way to do this
so there would be future work...how to do this
how you bind js libraries to markups, create a driver etc etc
flip side of XHTML modularization
how to implement without being native
Jack: this is the infrastructure layer of ubiquity
Steven: we'd end up standardizing ubiquity
or some variant of it
Jack: ubiquity++ that formalizes how to attach the "glue"
2nd point is bringing MVC and the backplane into the HTML world
Steven: sort of independent of HTML
mix and match with HTML rather than impacting the HTML wg per se
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