<joakim> scribe: Florian

<joakim> http://www.w3.org/2009/04/28-mediaann-minutes.html

scribe for next meeting: PA

next meeting 19.05. (same time)

<joakim> F2F 4 in Stockholm 25-26 June

<veroniqueM> I will be at a conference at these dates, I will not be able to attend, sorry!

<joakim> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open

agenda (a) F2F in Stockholm (logistics)

agenda (b) reviewing the action items

ACTION-43 for Thierry: not at the irc

ACTION-47 for Werner: ongoing

ACTION-94 for Joakim

Joakim: wants to close ACTION-94 (allready discussed)

ACTION-101 for Felix

Veronique: Felix still waiting for publishment of the draft (ongoing)

ACTION-102 for Veronique (open)

<tobias> btw: I now got my CVS account

ACTION-109 for David: working on it (open)

close ACTION-110

<trackbot> ACTION-110 Double check the next F2F meeting date for other complicated things closed

ACTION-111 for Felix

Veronique: published a new link on the mailing list concerning the topic
... suggests to send the link not via the mailing list but personally

<joakim> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-req/mediaont-req.html

<veroniqueM> Felix has sent a link to the updated version of the UC and Req document on the list

agenda (c) status of the UC & Req document

Joakim: the new version was not published

agenda (d) initial draft of the Ontology for Media Entity 1.0

Wonsuk: currently mapping table is missing
... recieved initial draft from Veronique and Victor commented this

http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-req/mediaont-req.html

oh sorry

http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html

Joakim: few formats are missing in the document

<joakim> Gotten: MediaRss, TXfeed, Youtube, VRA, MPEG7, SMTP, CableLabs

Wonsuk: wants to contact the editors of the missing formats

Joakim: new deadline for this friday (15.05.09)

<joakim> veronique?

Tobias: what should the editors do

Joakim: make a final mapping for the missing formats (somehow in one column)

close ACTION-94

<trackbot> ACTION-94 Talk about the liaison with the WebApps WG about their document "The Media Object Specification" and relation with our API. closed

Veronique: suggests to contact the editors directly
... to be sure that they will get it till next friday

<veroniqueM> and not via the mailing list, as they did not react previously to the calls on the list

<joakim> Missing: ID3v2, iTunes, QT, SearchMnkey, LOM, EXIF, MIX, FRBR, TV-Anytime, EBU,

<tbrger> I suppose this action was distributed initially at the F2F which not all of us attended; so therefore the calls to the list were not recognized properly; mabye.

<veroniqueM> probably, yes

think so, too

<veroniqueM> still, a direct contact might be more efficient :)

<tbrger> I think so, too :-)

you are right veronique

Victor: currently not reviewing any formats
... will choose one

Veronique: wanted to know if victor is in charge of FRBR

Joakim: now we need the final version, not volunteers

Victor: offers the review till friday

Veronique: definition section is wrong
... needs an update
... also the introduction should be longer
... media entity not so cryptic

Joakim: reviews the introduction

Veronique: section 4.2.1 should be reviewed

Victor: reviews 4.2.1

Veronique: reviews the terminology part (2.1)

<victor> I have provided a first review to section 4.2.1 (in a Word sent to the email list)

<joakim> I agree - lets coordinate with FRAGGROUP

Werner: wants to know what to do with the terminology (fix it in this document, or in another draft)
... reffering to fragment group?

<pchampin> +1 for aligning vocabulary with Media Fragment

+1

<veroniqueM> +1

<wonsuk> +1

<joakim> can we give an action to someone to sort the key terms with media frag?

think so

<veroniqueM> well, I can see that in the terminology section

<victor> +1

<joakim> key terms, for example: entity?

<joakim> resource, representation

Werner: we can not avoid miss understandment without definition

Veronique: select one definition for our terms

PA: ambiguity can not be completly avoided

Veronique: fragment group is talking about ressources in contrast to MAWG

Joakim: proposed entity because it is either a ressource or a representation

Veronique: entity is the most neutral term
... still ambiguous

Joakim: Action in order to identify the most important key words

Veronique: in charge of section 4

<veroniqueM> I will revise the terminology

Joakim: florian makes a first version and than Veronique makes a review
... according to section 2.1

Wonsuk: when will the review be fininshed?

florian: till monday

<joakim> Wonsuk: How about you get all updates before sunday night?

<joakim> Wonsuk: How about you get all updates before sunday night?

monday would be better ;)

Joakim: tranform the mapping table will take 2-3 days

Victor: how is the contribution passed

+1 @ Veronique

shall i open actions? or will you do it joakim?

Wonsuk: tells how to contribute

<victor> perfect.

<scribe> ACTION: Joakim to review the introduction of Ontology for Media Entity 1.0 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/12-mediaann-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-113 - Review the introduction of Ontology for Media Entity 1.0 [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2009-05-19].

<scribe> ACTION: Florian reviewing section 2.1 of Ontology for Media Entity 1.0 (with the Fragment Group) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/12-mediaann-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Florian

<scribe> ACTION: florian reviewing section 2.1 of Ontology for Media Entity 1.0 (with the Fragment Group) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/12-mediaann-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - florian

<joakim> : Zakim, ??P4 is me

<scribe> ACTION: florian reviewing section 2.1 of Ontology for Media Entity 1.0 (with the initial document of the Fragment Group) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/12-mediaann-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - florian

<scribe> ACTION: Victor review of section 4 of Ontology for Media Entity 1.0 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/12-mediaann-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Victor

<scribe> ACTION: florian reviewing section 2.1 of Ontology for Media Entity 1.0 (with the initial document of the Fragment Group) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/12-mediaann-minutes.html#action06]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - florian

<scribe> ACTION: veronique reviewing section 2.1 of Ontology for Media Entity 1.0 (with the initial document of the Fragment Group) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/12-mediaann-minutes.html#action07]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - veronique

<scribe> ACTION: victor review of section 4 of Ontology for Media Entity 1.0 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/12-mediaann-minutes.html#action08]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - victor

<joakim> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/MediaOntology

<scribe> ACTION: veroniqueM reviewing section 2.1 of Ontology for Media Entity 1.0 (with the initial document of the Fragment Group) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/12-mediaann-minutes.html#action09]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - veroniqueM

sorry...trackbot doesn?t know us ;) (veronique, victor, me)

we should try not to forget the action

yes it is

perhaps because i?m a scribe-beginner

sry

Werner: brosweable version of the mapping table would be good, but much work

<joakim> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Apr/0085.html

Werner: two minor properties which are missing
... design question if they should be seperate elements
... tag line type of title (but is part of many other formats)

<joakim> it's an asssociated resource, not the actual item

<joakim> PA: solve this by having a relation: "associated resource"

<pchampin> an intermediate solution would be that the API provide the "original" relation

Joakim: how to collect this attributes in the feature?

<pchampin> e.g. "the value for ma:relation is "thmb.png", and the original relation is exif:thumbnail"

Joakim: section in the current version?

Werner: tries to collect the terms of the discussion and the mailing list
... makes sense to sort out these candidates

<scribe> ACTION: Werner add a Wiki Page for Candidates [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/12-mediaann-minutes.html#action10]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-114 - Add a Wiki Page for Candidates [on Werner Bailer - due 2009-05-19].

<wonsuk> +1 for joakim

<tobias> I also sent some comments regarding the properties beginning of May: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009May/0000.html

Veronique: let the industry review our elements

<victor> ok

Joakim: postpone the API discussion for the next telecon#

<veroniqueM> be proactive to get feedback from the industry

<wonsuk> bye~~

<joakim> i think that shoudl be it

<joakim> please send a link of the minutes to the mailing lsit :-)

<joakim> list

ok, but i have not enough rights to look at is

-is+it

but i?ll send it

could you please open the last actions?

the first action was for victor to review section 4 and the second was for me two provide a new version of section 2.1 to veronique in order to review it

i was not able to open them

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