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<fsasaki> me zakim, ??P14 is Felix
<florian> just send the two emails to you
I can try to scribe...
<joakim> scribe: Veronique
Florian volunteers for scribing at the next teleconference
<joakim> scribe for next meeting; Florian
<florian> ok :)
<joakim> http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html
<joakim> http://www.w3.org/2009/04/16-mediaann-minutes.html
previous meetings approved
zakim [VrijeUni] is me
next teleconf will be May 5th
F2F 4 in Stockholm 25-26 June
Joakim will make a Web application form for participating
<joakim> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
ITEM: open action items
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/43
Thierry not here, still pending
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/47
still pending
Werner: Linked Open Data
community are designing an API for feeding back metadata
... upon query
... in contact with this group
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/94
Joakim: did not send an email, but Doug is on the phone
Doug: going forward, they assume
that our group will define Use Cases and Requirements
... have some overlap with theirs
... best approach is a generic approach
... there are few hard coded mapping values between
properties
... best approach would be a generic API that would return the
value of a property defined at a generic level
... problem: might be multiple values given by different format
at different levels
... should return an array
... you have strated on a similar path in this group
... diffence between intrinsic properties (file size) and
extrinsic (annotation)
Joakim: yes, we have stumbled on
the same problems
... arrays of data and intrinsic/extrinsic properties
Doug: question of where it is
stored, whether within or outside of the media document
... what does it refer to, either the whole document or a part
(one track or one temporal segment)
... media is segmented via different parameters
... should retrieve only metadata, not document itself
... but hard to do
<shepazu> spec can be found here: http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/MediaObject/publish/
Joakim: annotation should refer
to a specific instance of a document
... you then have to find a way to adress this instance/ part
of document
Doug: any document contains
different annotations, related to different pieces of the data,
authored by different people and tools
... my thought have changed since the editing of the spec
... also things not taken into account there
... listed some properties for which simple access should be
provided but does not scale well
... get method might be better approach
... would define a method "getMetadata" giving the name of the
metadata
... that the vocabulary would understand
... you can use whatever you want from this document
action 94 closed
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 94
<fsasaki> ACTION-101 pending
close, ACTION 94
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/102
ACTION-102 pending
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/103
Werner: action 103 is about investigating the set of relationship types to add to our list
ACTION-103 pending
Joakim: for example relations between assets can be asserted by a sub property of dc:relation
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/104
close, ACTION 104
Felix: it would be nice to refer to the latest standard in the spec
<fsasaki> Felix: which is BCP 47
BCP 47
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/105
ACTION-105 pending
<fsasaki> close ACTION 104
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/106
<fsasaki> close ACTION-104
<trackbot> ACTION-104 Provide information about language identification, in addition to RFC 4646 closed
Wonsuk: work in progress
ACTION-106 pending
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/107
updates have been published
Jean-Pierre: if we integrate
again all the properties about techinal metadata
... we come back to the initial list
close ACTION 107
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/108
close ACTION 108
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/109
ACTION-109 pending
close ACTION 110
ITEM Status of the UC & Req deliverable
florian: we have to change the
media objects to media entities
... in that document
Felix: publication is just to
show to other people that we are making progress
... important to publish even raw material
... in favor of publishing updates even if the version is not
stable
Veronique: Felix, did you
integrate the modifications suggested by Dave Singer?
... what is there to integrate left?
... besides the canonical processes Use Case?
florian: media fragment group is talking about media resources
<pchampin> +1
florian: maybe we should change our terminology
Doug: you can publish as often as you want
Felix: I can do the updates suggested by Dave Singer by tomorrow
Joakim: in favor of publishing without the changes
<joakim> I am favour of publishing with the changes suggested by David
Felix: we can also add a subtitle specifying that the terminology is still being debated
Joakim: will ask the group for objections against the publication of the UC document with the updates?
hearing no objections
Joakim: we decide to publish it
RESOLUTION: We will publish Media Ontology and API Use Cases and Requirements
<fsasaki> ACTION: felix to ping doug after use case document is updated [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/28-mediaann-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-111 - Ping doug after use case document is updated [on Felix Sasaki - due 2009-05-05].
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to inform Doug when the updates are ready [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/28-mediaann-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-112 - Inform Doug when the updates are ready [on Felix Sasaki - due 2009-05-05].
<joakim> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Apr/0065.html
close, ACTION 112
Felix: are we concentrating now on the new list of properties?
s/fusing/focusing/
Joakim: difficult discussion
about what properties to add
... rename
... remove
Felix: are we keeping working on
the mapping table?
... with the new properties in the center?
Veronique: the idea is to map the vocabularies to the new list
<wonsuk> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html
Veronique: so, yes, we'll go on working on the mapping table
ITEM Media Ontology document
Wonsuk did the updates in the document
scribe: which list is pated in IRC
Wonsuk: last part of the document
will be the mapping table
... middle part to be edited by Veronique and Victor
... comments from the group are more than welcome
... hope to have a revised version for next week
Veronique: our update will be ready by the end of the week, I will send it to Wonsuk
Wonsuk: I would like the final
version of the mapping table
... is the latest version the one to be included to the
document?
Joakim: I will do the last changes required and send the new version tomorrow
Wonsuk: I will integrate the new version
Werner: the mappings are not
correct right now because we changed the semantics of some
properties
... do we publish this mapping table or update it before
publishing?
Wonsuk: we indeed have to make a unique vesrion of the mappings, now challenger's opinion included in the table
Joakim: original editor of the
mapping should revise his/her version and make a final set of
mappings
... can people update the mappings before the next
teleconf?
<wbailer> +1
<chris> +1
<wonsuk> +1
+1
<florian> +1
Joakim: looks like it's feasible, so let's try to update the table, new version will be sent tomorrow
AOB
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