IRC log of egov on 2009-04-15

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13:40:05 [josema]

rrsagent, pointer

13:40:05 [RRSAgent]

See http://www.w3.org/2009/04/15-egov-irc#T13-40-05

13:40:22 [josema]

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13:40:23 [Rachel]

standards should be developed as building blocks, a solid foundation that can be expanded as needed

13:42:03 [Rachel]

Another strong case for simplicity is - who is the audience that will have to approve them? If non-technical folks must approve the standards, they must be easy to understand in layman's terms.

13:42:32 [Daniel_Bennett]

good point Rachel

13:44:48 [josema]

+1, and I believe the document is trying to do that (or was the original purpose at least :)

13:45:44 [josema]

[Miguel on multi-channel and integration of both views]

13:46:19 [john]

q?

13:47:02 [josema]

not to forget on the topic: http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/

13:47:53 [josema]

agenda?

13:49:07 [josema]

[reviews text for paper]

13:49:43 [Rachel]

Miguel - global approach to multi-channel...

13:56:21 [josema]

I think we should integrate, broadest view of the topic, also add MW4D more prominently

13:57:28 [Rachel]

how to find/manage government content on non-govt websites?

13:59:28 [josema]

agenda?

14:00:09 [Owen]

I need to sign off to participate in the FIRM board meeting: http://firmcouncil.org/id5.html

14:00:10 [john]

will ack you next Rachel

14:00:21 [Zakim]

-Owen?

14:00:29 [josema]

[Owen leaves call]

14:01:06 [josema]

scribe: josema

14:01:37 [josema]

[on YouTube, unmoderated comments, potential risks for children]

14:02:12 [josema]

Rachel: we are making sure that won't happen on YouTube Gov't channels

14:02:37 [josema]

... also addressing accessibility, YouTube was/is helpful in working with us and understanding our needs

14:03:04 [josema]

... we also have the content somewhere else conforming to regulations, etc. YouTube is just another channel

14:03:14 [josema]

... hope this model will help other govs

14:03:29 [josema]

Daniel: everybody should publish locally and syndicate widely

14:03:46 [josema]

rrsagent, draf minutes

14:03:46 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'draf minutes', josema. Try /msg RRSAgent help

14:03:50 [josema]

rrsagent, draft minutes

14:03:50 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/15-egov-minutes.html josema

14:04:21 [josema]

... I don't think gov should force YouTube to have special rules for it

14:04:52 [josema]

... but gov should publish locally in a syndicable format and YouTube should take care of getting content from there

14:05:07 [josema]

s/take care of/worry about

14:05:28 [josema]

Rachel: putting them also on YouTube people finds them much easier

14:05:46 [josema]

... they don't think of gov when going there, but find the gov info there

14:05:58 [josema]

... helps them find the info in the place they use

14:07:20 [josema]

John: thank Miguel for the section on Multi-Channel, I see most issues there

14:07:36 [josema]

... and we need to move forward today to other topics, too

14:07:38 [josema]

agenda?

14:07:53 [josema]

zakim, next agendum

14:07:53 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "group note issues and pending actions" taken up [from josema]

14:08:07 [Rachel]

what are next steps RE group note?

14:08:20 [Rachel]

we're compiling comments on draft

14:09:12 [Rachel]

making good progress on multichannel

14:10:16 [Rachel]

April 26 - comments due

14:10:46 [Rachel]

"tracker" tool available - all should be using this!

14:11:55 [Rachel]

need to go through & standardize terms (e.g., e-gov, Egov, eGov, etc.)

14:12:43 [josema]

issues: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/issues/open

14:13:34 [Rachel]

US govt has an internal deadline of May 21 for open/transparent draft policy - so we need to have something ready by end of April, if our comments are to be included.

14:14:31 [Rachel]

Charter is a separate workload item

14:15:05 [Rachel]

should have charter drafted by mid-May, Josema will follow up

14:16:18 [Rachel]

josema will ask for extension on this deadline, so we can focus on one thing at a time

14:16:21 [josema]

agenda?

14:16:29 [josema]

next agendum

14:16:57 [josema]

RESOLUTION: jose to ask W3M for one month extension to publish note, develop 2nd charter

14:18:35 [Rachel]

Josema - there are lots of standards already out there, many of which do not work well for government.

14:18:36 [Zakim]

-josema

14:19:19 [Zakim]

+josema

14:19:38 [josema]

rrsagent, pointer?

14:19:38 [RRSAgent]

See http://www.w3.org/2009/04/15-egov-irc#T14-19-38

14:19:40 [Rachel]

lots of tools out there that are not following standards

14:19:50 [josema]

rrsagent, draft minutes

14:19:50 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/15-egov-minutes.html josema

14:19:51 [Rachel]

we should help government find tools that follow standards

14:20:41 [josema]

warning: W3C is vendor-neutral, no tools we can recommend

14:20:58 [Zakim]

+ +34.63.557.aahh

14:21:19 [josema]

zakim, aahh is probably Oscar

14:21:19 [Zakim]

+Oscar?; got it

14:21:38 [josema]

regrets+ Kendall

14:22:54 [Rachel]

W3C should provide a "path" to get to standards, explain benefits. Can't recommend specific tools.

14:23:54 [josema]

UAAG is a good example of what can be recommended: http://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG20/

14:24:11 [josema]

ATAG, too: http://www.w3.org/TR/ATAG20/

14:24:29 [Rachel]

should address real-world problems by providing a path to standards that will help solve the problem

14:24:39 [josema]

no need to recommend a tool, but to recommend those guidelines and governments could choose compliant tools

14:26:40 [Rachel]

provide use cases, examples of successful projects, to help others meet their goals

14:27:21 [Rachel]

Next steps - provide comments on group note, and charter

14:28:35 [josema]

[ADJOURNED]

14:28:37 [Zakim]

-KEvin

14:28:39 [Rachel]

Thanks, all - lots going on!

14:28:42 [Zakim]

-Sharron

14:28:47 [Zakim]

-Oscar?

14:28:48 [Zakim]

-Rachel

14:28:49 [Zakim]

-Ken

14:28:50 [Zakim]

-Miguel

14:28:54 [Zakim]

-john

14:29:00 [Zakim]

-Daniel_Bennett

14:29:02 [Zakim]

-josema

14:29:04 [Zakim]

T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended

14:29:05 [Zakim]

Attendees were +0203334aaaa, +1.512.305.aabb, Sharron, +1.574.905.aacc, john, Josema, +1.202.319.aadd, Daniel_Bennett, +1.509.464.aaee, Owen?, +1.703.994.aaff, Rachel, Ken, Miguel,

14:29:07 [Zakim]

... +1.202.626.aagg, KEvin, +34.63.557.aahh, Oscar?

14:29:11 [Rachel]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/15-egov-minutes.html Rachel

14:29:27 [josema]

rrsagent, stop