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15:04:00 <Zakim> agendum 1. "scribe, agenda adjustments" taken up [from josema]
15:04:00 <josema> john: anybody volunteers?
15:04:00 <josema> scribe: Rachel
15:05:00 <josema> [no adjustments]
15:05:00 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum
15:05:00 <Zakim> agendum 2. "any new members around?" taken up [from josema]
15:05:00 <Rachel> Sharron from Texas is new
15:06:00 <Rachel> She posted a message to the listserv about accessibility
15:06:00 <Rachel> Intros all around
15:06:00 <josema> zakim, who's here?
15:06:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see john, Sharron, +1.574.905.aacc, Owen?, Josema, Daniel_Bennett, Ken, achel[15:06] <Zakim> On IRC I see Rachel, kevin, Owen, Daniel_Bennett, Sharron, john, Zakim, josema, trackbot
15:06:00 <josema> zakim, aacc is Miguel
15:06:00 <Zakim> +Miguel; got it
15:07:00 <Rachel> Miguel from Spain is new to the group
15:08:00 <josema> [Miguel has background on IDA, IDABC, EIF, all EC programmes, representing the Spanish Government, also leading NIF effort]
15:10:00 <josema> [contributing on Multi-Channel already]
15:10:00 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum
15:10:00 <Zakim> agendum 3. "what's going on out there?" taken up [from josema]
15:12:00 <Rachel> Daniel - will be attending eDemocracy camp and Politics Online conference in DC in the next week.
15:13:00 <josema> Daniel, I don't remember if I already mention I love this piece: http://www.validsites.org/news/somewhat-open-for-questions-some-constructive-criticism
15:13:00 <josema> s/mention/mentioned
15:13:00 <Rachel> Danie also working on XML repository schema
15:13:00 <josema> s/Danie/Daniel
15:13:00 <josema> scribe: josema
15:14:00 <Daniel_Bennett> thanks Jose
15:14:00 <josema> <Rachel> co-Chairing Federal Web Managers Council, our annual conference coming up end of month
15:14:00 <Daniel_Bennett> http://www.validsites.org/
15:14:00 <josema> ... Kundra and @@ from The White House to speak and other prominent ones
15:14:00 <josema> ... also some unconferences going on in parallel
15:14:00 Daniel_Bennett: http://advocatehope.org/tech-tidbits/repository-schema
15:14:00 <Zakim> + +1.202.626.aagg
15:15:00 <josema> ... I'm also on detail at GSA for a while
15:15:00 <josema> ... at the office that oversees the entire federal government Web
15:15:00 <josema> zakim, aagg is KEvin
15:15:00 <Zakim> +KEvin; got it
15:15:00 <Daniel_Bennett> wow. on the call at 6am
15:15:00 <josema> s/KEvin/Kevin
15:16:00 <josema> ... council issues a white paper last fall with recommendations to government
15:16:00 <josema> s/issues/issued
15:16:00 <josema> ... will post a link to the list
15:16:00 <josema> agenda?
15:17:00 <josema> scribe: Rachel
15:19:00 <Rachel> John - mentioned Adobe working to make pdfs accessible for re-use - now an "open format"
15:19:00 <josema> I would like to ask Rachel about what's in Social Media sites' TOS/Agreement for the federal government (if she can comment)
15:19:00 <josema> [kevin asks group what to highlight on interop at upcoming OASIS/TWB event]
15:21:00 <Rachel> GSA TOS press release http://www.gsa.gov/Portal/gsa/ep/contentView.do?pageTypeId=8199&channelId=-24825&P=&contentId=25954&contentType=GSA_BASIC
15:23:00 <Rachel> discussion on how to deal w/pdf into the future?
15:24:00 <josema> thanks Rachel, read that one, was wondering if the changes to the agreements or the agreements themselves will be made public sometime, could help others with similar needs
15:24:00 <Rachel> yes - they will be shared
15:24:00 <josema> good, thanks!
15:25:00 <josema> [discussion on PDF for digital preservation, PDF/XML...]
15:28:00 <josema> agree with Daniel
15:30:00 <josema> [also on how to preserve presentation + data]
15:31:00 <josema> scribe: josema
15:31:00 <josema> kevin: what to focus on in 20 min?
15:31:00 <josema> john: most important change for me: RDFa
15:32:00 <Rachel> John - interesting that govs are now focusing on opening up data
15:32:00 <josema> ... SW technology governments can use today
15:32:00 <josema> ... recognized I'm biased on this topic
15:33:00 <josema> scribe: Rachel
15:34:00 <Rachel> definitions for the standards used should be embedded in document
15:34:00 Owen: Here are a couple references on converting PDF to XML: http://www.dclab.com/converting_from_pdf.asp & http://www.processtext.com/abcpdf.html
15:35:00 <Rachel> John - govt use cases are not always considered in semantic web
15:36:00 <Rachel> We WANT to open up data but technologies are not always available to do this easily
15:36:00 <Rachel> in order for standards to be used, they must be usable
15:37:00 Owen: The W3C's Note on XFDL is available at http://www.w3.org/TR/NOTE-XFDL
15:37:00 <Rachel> easier is better - if it's too hard, people will not do it!
15:38:00 <josema> I've said many times there are too many technologies out there already, the particular government need, design pattern, scenario, whatever we want to call, it's what is missing
15:38:00 <josema> and john found a good one where RDFa was the solution, gthomas is going in the same direction, etc.
15:38:00 Owen: Info on XPS is available at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XML_Paper_Specification
15:39:00 <josema> the more I think of this, I believe it's the way to go for phase 2
15:39:00 <josema> s/I believe/the more I believe
15:39:00 <josema> chair: john, kevin
15:39:00 <john> likewise josema
15:39:00 <josema> scribe: Rachel, josema
15:39:00 RRSAgent entró en el canal de chat.
15:39:00 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/04/15-egov-irc
15:40:00 <josema> rrsagent, pointer
15:40:00 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2009/04/15-egov-irc#T13-40-05
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13:40:05 <josema> rrsagent, pointer
13:40:05 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2009/04/15-egov-irc#T13-40-05
13:40:22 <josema> [*** add rest of log up to here ***]
13:40:23 <Rachel> standards should be developed as building blocks, a solid foundation that can be expanded as needed
13:42:03 <Rachel> Another strong case for simplicity is - who is the audience that will have to approve them?  If non-technical folks must approve the standards, they must be easy to understand in layman's terms.
13:42:32 <Daniel_Bennett> good point Rachel
13:44:48 <josema> +1, and I believe the document is trying to do that (or was the original purpose at least :)
13:45:44 <josema> [Miguel on multi-channel and integration of both views]
13:46:19 <john> q?
13:47:02 <josema> not to forget on the topic: http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/
13:47:53 <josema> agenda?
13:49:07 <josema> [reviews text for paper]
13:49:43 <Rachel> Miguel - global approach to multi-channel...
13:56:21 <josema> I think we should integrate, broadest view of the topic, also add MW4D more prominently
13:57:28 <Rachel> how to find/manage government content on non-govt websites?
13:59:28 <josema> agenda?
14:00:09 <Owen> I need to sign off to participate in the FIRM board meeting: http://firmcouncil.org/id5.html
14:00:10 <john> will ack you next Rachel
14:00:21 <Zakim> -Owen?
14:00:29 <josema> [Owen leaves call]
14:01:06 <josema> scribe: josema
14:01:37 <josema> [on YouTube, unmoderated comments, potential risks for children]
14:02:12 <josema> Rachel: we are making sure that won't happen on YouTube Gov't channels
14:02:37 <josema> ... also addressing accessibility, YouTube was/is helpful in working with us and understanding our needs
14:03:04 <josema> ... we also have the content somewhere else conforming to regulations, etc. YouTube is just another channel
14:03:14 <josema> ... hope this model will help other govs
14:03:29 <josema> Daniel: everybody should publish locally and syndicate widely
14:03:46 <josema> rrsagent, draf minutes
14:03:46 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'draf minutes', josema.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
14:03:50 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:03:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/15-egov-minutes.html josema
14:04:21 <josema> ... I don't think gov should force YouTube to have special rules for it
14:04:52 <josema> ... but gov should publish locally in a syndicable format and YouTube should take care of getting content from there
14:05:07 <josema> s/take care of/worry about
14:05:28 <josema> Rachel: putting them also on YouTube people finds them much easier
14:05:46 <josema> ... they don't think of gov when going there, but find the gov info there
14:05:58 <josema> ... helps them find the info in the place they use
14:07:20 <josema> John: thank Miguel for the section on Multi-Channel, I see most issues there
14:07:36 <josema> ... and we need to move forward today to other topics, too
14:07:38 <josema> agenda?
14:07:53 <josema> zakim, next agendum
14:07:53 <Zakim> agendum 4. "group note issues and pending actions" taken up [from josema]
14:08:07 <Rachel> what are next steps RE group note?
14:08:20 <Rachel> we're compiling comments on draft
14:09:12 <Rachel> making good progress on multichannel
14:10:16 <Rachel> April 26 - comments due
14:10:46 <Rachel> "tracker" tool available - all should be using this!
14:11:55 <Rachel> need to go through & standardize terms (e.g., e-gov, Egov, eGov, etc.)
14:12:43 <josema> issues: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/issues/open
14:13:34 <Rachel> US govt has an internal deadline of May 21 for open/transparent draft policy - so we need to have something ready by end of April, if our comments are to be included.
14:14:31 <Rachel> Charter is a separate workload item
14:15:05 <Rachel> should have charter drafted by mid-May, Josema will follow up
14:16:18 <Rachel> josema will ask for extension on this deadline, so we can focus on one thing at a time
14:16:21 <josema> agenda?
14:16:29 <josema> next agendum
14:16:57 <josema> RESOLUTION: jose to ask W3M for one month extension to publish note, develop 2nd charter
14:18:35 <Rachel> Josema - there are lots of standards already out there, many of which do not work well for government.
14:18:36 <Zakim> -josema
14:19:19 <Zakim> +josema
14:19:38 <josema> rrsagent, pointer?
14:19:38 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2009/04/15-egov-irc#T14-19-38
14:19:40 <Rachel> lots of tools out there that are not following standards
14:19:50 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:19:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/15-egov-minutes.html josema
14:19:51 <Rachel> we should help government find tools that follow standards
14:20:41 <josema> warning: W3C is vendor-neutral, no tools we can recommend
14:20:58 <Zakim> + +34.63.557.aahh
14:21:19 <josema> zakim, aahh is probably Oscar
14:21:19 <Zakim> +Oscar?; got it
14:21:38 <josema> regrets+ Kendall
14:22:54 <Rachel> W3C should provide a "path" to get to standards, explain benefits.  Can't recommend specific tools.
14:23:54 <josema> UAAG is a good example of what can be recommended: http://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG20/
14:24:11 <josema> ATAG, too: http://www.w3.org/TR/ATAG20/
14:24:29 <Rachel> should address real-world problems by providing a path to standards that will help solve the problem
14:24:39 <josema> no need to recommend a tool, but to recommend those guidelines and governments could choose compliant tools
14:26:40 <Rachel> provide use cases, examples of successful projects, to help others meet their goals
14:27:21 <Rachel> Next steps - provide comments on group note, and charter
14:28:35 <josema> [ADJOURNED]
14:28:37 <Zakim> -KEvin
14:28:39 <Rachel> Thanks, all - lots going on!
14:28:42 <Zakim> -Sharron
14:28:47 <Zakim> -Oscar?
14:28:48 <Zakim> -Rachel
14:28:49 <Zakim> -Ken
14:28:50 <Zakim> -Miguel
14:28:54 <Zakim> -john
14:29:00 <Zakim> -Daniel_Bennett
14:29:02 <Zakim> -josema
14:29:04 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended
14:29:05 <Zakim> Attendees were +0203334aaaa, +1.512.305.aabb, Sharron, +1.574.905.aacc, john, Josema, +1.202.319.aadd, Daniel_Bennett, +1.509.464.aaee, Owen?, +1.703.994.aaff, Rachel, Ken, Miguel,
14:29:07 <Zakim> ... +1.202.626.aagg, KEvin, +34.63.557.aahh, Oscar?
14:29:11 <Rachel> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:29:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/15-egov-minutes.html Rachel
14:29:27 <josema> rrsagent, stop