andrew: No notes for document so
don't discuss too deep yet
... Document lacks good discussion on accessibility for all even though many governments have a strong focus on this.
william: Ageing isn't
... Document was heavily discussed in EO
Andrew: Keep a look out for the
notes and then submit any appropriate additional comments to the EO list
... Can also comment directly to the eGovernment group
Darren: Will send the group notes from the Inclusive Digital Economy Network project in the UK
William: Availability of the power point slides?
Andrew: URL will be added
andrew: Too much info on the statistics and impact slides. Can we manage this information to suit a regular slide?
Jack: Maybe split to three slides but have the slides linked together e.g. (continued...)
william: Break the slides, one for each impairment - sensory, mobility and cognitive
andrew: Maybe put motor skill not
... Anna made comments on the implications slide
... Web accessibility becomes an imperative because it can be the only way that older people can participant
william: Not sure it's just age but a range of other factors
andrew: Other factors such as remote / rural people. The Web becomes an imperative too. Travellers too.
william: What we can call lower case accessibility
Andrew: Look at browser usability slide
jack: typo on the second bullet point
william: Can add impatience as well as confusion / frustration
Jack: Are we thinking about frustration in terms of finding information? or accommodation difficult to access?
william: Really mean poor usability
jack: usability of the user interface
william: When you need to fill in forms and then there is an error and have to fill it in all over again. Can be a problem.
Andrew: Or when you have to go through an extra step, e.g. register to a site to get information even when they don't really need you to.
Andrew: Web Authoring Slide
william: Second bullet sounds like Web contribution is voluntary but in many cases contributing, e.g. participating in forums, contributing is more than voluntary
andrew: To participate you need to be active and not passive.
jack: The second bullet - change undertaken to used / is needed / is required as this sounds less voluntary
andrew: Ongoing work slide.
... Need to raise awareness of the need for participation from the older community
William: Can we include observations from the literature to the ongoing work slide e.g. a [incorrect] view that it is less likely that older people will do new stuff.
<Zakim> shadi, you wanted to mention exclusionary aspect
shadi: agrees with William. Older
people are excluded not only in the literature review.
... We talk about older people but without representation from older people groups. Need older people to be more proactive in standards projects
William: In research people who are being studied are not part of the research groups doing the studying
Jack: How will we approach this issue?
Shadi: Mandate 376 underdevelopment in Europe is about procurement. Engagement with the TEITAC
group but this group closed. Also working with Europe to ensure
standards bodies and other stakeholders are involved in the
... Have seen that user organisations always have a hard time participating. However disability community engages more than older community.
William: Are procurement rules an effective method of ensuring participation?
shadi: Many models in Europe with
no definite answer. In the US they have section 508
... Ongoing work we need to develop a harmonisation report. Will share the document with the group.
jack: Working together to avoid fragmentation is correct but a more positive view is to say to promote unity to achieve something.
andrew: Should emphasise the positive outcomes more
andrew: Discuss Education resources slides
shadi: change Encouraging businesses and developers to Encouraging developers
andrew: used the word organisation because developers may not be the ones setting the requirements and procuring the Web development.
shadi: procurement should have
its own bullet
... put a qualifier e.g. Developers need to Better understand
andrew: Comments for Educational resources - users slide?
shadi: Encourage participation in standardisation
andrew: Documents slide. Should we remove this as it is covered by other slides
william: We should keep it.
shadi: Now the Industry and user
slides have been added this slide makes more sense and doesn't
need to be removed
... Instead of WAI Documents put educational documents
jack: Instead of saying "a range" say "some" of the existing WAI Documents
andrew: Standards harmonization
... can we rewrite Working together to avoid fragmentation in a positive light
shadi: The first bullet is fine. Second bullet replace Exchanges with Ongoing dialogue. Third bullet discuss the promotion of guidelines. bullet four. Promote understanding the needs of all users. bullet five include participation of all users
jack. It' not just promoting understanding but the promotion of use. We need people to understand but all have standards applied and used.
<shadi> [Explain the applicability of WAI Guidelines]
andrew: Any other comments and
points on the slides?
... next meeting will be the 22nd April - hope to have BAD to view.
<shadi> [BAD = Before and After Demo]