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Media Annotations Working Group Teleconference

10 Mar 2009

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Jean_Pierre, Thierry, Pierre_Antoine, Chris, Raphael, Daniel_(irc), Veronique_(irc), wonsuk, (partial)
Regrets
Tobias, michele
Chair
Joakim
Scribe
Thierry, raphael

Contents


 

 

<tmichel> Scribe:Thierry

<tmichel> Minutes: http://www.w3.org/2009/03/03-mediaann-minutes.html

<tmichel> hello raphael

trackbot, start teleco

<trackbot> Sorry, raphael, I don't understand 'trackbot, start teleco'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help

trackbot, start telecon

<trackbot> Date: 10 March 2009

<scribe> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Mar/0023.html

<daniel> this call starts ?

<tmichel> hope Joakim will join to chair this meeting

<Chris_IBBT> hopefully Joakim did not forget the different starting time of the phone conference

<daniel> oh, call information sent from Joakim has the same timezone (not applying one-hour earlier). I am now traveling, hence can't make a phone call.

<tmichel> It maybe that some people have forgotten about the time slot change for this call

<tmichel> Should we proceed ? Do we have a quorum ?

chairs, tema contact: what's happened with this call?

<daniel> presumably, we will start after one-hour with Joamik charing. sorry for inconvenience and thanks your patient...

<tmichel> Joakim sent an agenda and was schedulled to Chair. I was scheduled to scribe ...

The agenda said: Tuesday, 10 March 13:00-14:00 UTC

<Chris_IBBT> we do it in french?

veronique, the telecon was messy, restart again

<daniel> so sorry...this is a chairs' mistake. if ok, we will be able to resume this call after 50 minutes. is that ok for all of you ?

daniel, we cannot, since Zakim is not booked!

<daniel> um...ok, Thierry can you be charing this call instead of Joakim ?

<tmichel> do we want to cancel

Agenda review and approval of previous minutes telecon 03 March 2009

minutes accepted, no objections

<tmichel> Propose to accept: http://www.w3.org/2009/03/03-mediaann-minutes.html as

<tmichel> minutes of the last meeting, thanks to Veronique for scribing.

<scribe> Scribe: raphael

<pchampin> I can scribe

<scribe> scribenick: raphael

Scribe for next week: Thierry volunteers

Action Items

Felix: ACTION-43: continue

All actions: 47, 54, 80, 82 continue

Pierre Antoine: ACTION-83

scribe: the action is not completed
... I thought that the review of the standards will be done in small group and thus the action would have been cancelled

close ACTION-83

<trackbot> ACTION-83 Review ID3 closed

The remaining actions: 85, 86, 87 are still pending

mapping of formats

Thierry: how will we going to publish this table in our new document?

Raphael: is there any action to actually review this table?

Thierry: no, we will make small group of 2-3 people for reviewing part of this table
... should we design groups and assign formats to these groups ?

Veronique: I thought we will discuss that during the face to face meeting

Raphael: +1 for Veronique's suggestion

Thierry: yes, but we should as well have some material prior to the f2f

<daniel> this small group will be made by toy implementation volunteers and chairs...so toss it (reviewing the mapping table) to chairs this time

Jean Pierre: we need experts of these formats to actually do the mapping, I will not dare to say something on formats I don't know

Thierry: should we ask people to attach their name on specific format?

Jean Pierre: yes

<pchampin> +1

<Chris_IBBT> +1

Thierry: and then use a first come first serve principle

Jean Pierre: the maker of the mapping for each specific format should be in

<veroniqueM> +1

<scribe> ACTION: Thierry to provide the list of all formats considered in the mapping table with the person who did the mapping, leading each sub-group [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-mediaann-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-89 - Provide the list of all formats considered in the mapping table with the person who did the mapping, leading each sub-group [on Thierry Michel - due 2009-03-17].

<scribe> ACTION: ALL to join these sub-groups [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-mediaann-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - ALL

Raphael: why do you want to publish this table before the f2f?

Veronique: in order to get comments from a wider community

Thierry: it will be difficult to publish this table in the TR space because of pubrules

Raphael: my suggestion would be to produce a document that contains excerpts of the table and graphical representation of the mappings
... but requires a lot of work, not sure you can make it in 2 weeks

Veronique: graphical representation might be unreadable

Raphael: yes, thus split this table depending on group of properties

Veronique: we want a validation of these mappings from the communiy depending on the usage of the properties

Raphael: then you need a lot of text explaining the rational behind each mappings

Pierre Antoine: the current table has XMP as a pivot format

scribe: split the table in plenty of tables with always XMP as reference

Raphael: problem with that is that you remove a lot of value of the global view of the table

Thierry: but assuming we do not publish anything by the f2f, what can we expect afterwards

Veronique: the transitivity of the mappings is also in question, we need to discuss it during the f2f

<Chris_IBBT> +1 Veronique

+1 veronique

Thierry: what I hear here, is that we should wait for after the f2f to go publishing a document

<veroniqueM> +1

+1

Raphael: and explain carefully the rationale of each mapping, the type of the mapping (equivalent, sub-property, related to, unspecified), the transitivity

Thierry: do we have a quorum for taking a resolution

Raphael: i think we are not enough, can make an informal poll

Chris: we should listen to the arguments of Felix that wanted to publish the table asap

Thierry: ok, this is not a formal resolution (no quorum), but I note that the people present on the call want to delay the publication of the table

Toppic: survey of mapping formats

<tmichel> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42786/Annot-format-survey/results

12 responders on 26 people!

Thierry: commenting the results received so far, see also http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Mar/0030.html

Raphael: I would like to raise a serious concern! I see only 12 responders on 26, among the non-responders, there are active participants ! I observe also that Dave Singer (from Apple) has raised concern on the poll itself and did not provide answers :-(

Chris: i can ask other IBBT guys to answer as well

Veronique: I have no real preferences

Thierry: I'm a team contact, so I cannot answer

Daniel: why did you do not answer?

Others: seem to not be active participants

<scribe> ACTION: Thierry to re-open the questionnaire and invite people to really respond even if they have no preferences, in order to get a quorum of responses [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-mediaann-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-90 - Re-open the questionnaire and invite people to really respond even if they have no preferences, in order to get a quorum of responses [on Thierry Michel - due 2009-03-17].

<scribe> ACTION: Thierry to chase the non-responders [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-mediaann-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-91 - Chase the non-responders [on Thierry Michel - due 2009-03-17].

<daniel> sorry..! I missed the due in flight...

<daniel> Thierry, do we make a decision to reopen for that once again ?

toy implementation

Veronique: is there a schema of XMP available or should we construct it manually from the spec?
... should we consider the VRA mapping in the toy implementation given that VRA has low results in the pol

Wonsuk: we can ask the schema to Adobe

Raphael: I think it does *NOT* exist

http://support.adobe.com/devsup/devsup.nsf/docs/51668.htm

Raphael: we can of course ask confirmation from Adobe, a chair action?
... from the blog post above, it seems Adobe considers XMP as a framework, in which particular subsets are defined, DC, and other small schemas, but XMP is extensible too, thus no XMP schema exists
... this is how I interpret it

<daniel> I was asking Adobe for some of XMP issues as well as Metadata WG, but no clear answer to me until now...

<scribe> ACTION: Joakim to ask Larry Masinter or other Adobe's contact in order to know if there is an XMP schema we can have access too [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-mediaann-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-92 - Ask Larry Masinter or other Adobe's contact in order to know if there is an XMP schema we can have access too [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2009-03-17].

AOB

Thierry: next call will be an hour earlier again!!!

Chairs: need to write that in the agenda

<daniel> again, sorry

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: ALL to join these sub-groups [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-mediaann-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Joakim to ask Larry Masinter or other Adobe's contact in order to know if there is an XMP schema we can have access too [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-mediaann-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Thierry to chase the non-responders [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-mediaann-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Thierry to provide the list of all formats considered in the mapping table with the person who did the mapping, leading each sub-group [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-mediaann-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Thierry to re-open the questionnaire and invite people to really respond even if they have no preferences, in order to get a quorum of responses [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-mediaann-minutes.html#action03]
 
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