24 Feb 2009

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AxelPolleres, Garlik, bijan, Lee_Feigenbaum, AndyS_, +1.518.276.aaaa, EricP, OpenLink, kasei, +1.415.371.aacc, Phil_Brooks, iv_an_ru, daveNewman, alepas




<bijan> Bristol line seems down

<LeeF> lovely

<bijan> My first attempt was 1) crackly and 2) didn't recognize the passcode

<bijan> My second attempt is just hitting nothing :(

<LeeF> (trying to figure it out)

<bijan> (still down)

I looked out the window and Bristol is still there :-)

<LeeF> Well at least we have one thing going for us :)

<bijan> Glad to hear it!

<bijan> It's a cool city!

I am too. More so probabaly.

<bijan> Pfft...you're far enough from the centre

<bijan> A nuke would just toast you a bit :)

I get "that code is not valid"

<bijan> I can't connect at all

<swh> I got an ok line, but couldn't connect to 77277

<iv_an_ru> At least people will prefer Bristol to Novosibirsk when we will vote for F2F site

<swh> that's true

Code is not valid.

<swh> ah, whats the right code?

<LeeF> I'm guessing that, uh, it never got setup :( everybody hang on a bit

<AxelPolleres> same here, couldn't connect to 77277

Right code - but does not work - see also the zakim "no confernce message"

What was the DAWG code?

<iv_an_ru> Isn't the code restricted to 4 numbers?

<bijan> no

<LeeF> iv_an_ru: no, some are 5

<bijan> oo, a connection

<LeeF> I requested it last week, but don't remember seeing a confirmation.

<bijan> I can call in now, but the passcode is borked

<LeeF> Let's use 26631

<LeeF> I will send an updated email

Now I get a ringing tone after Ralph's message

<bijan> AndyS: I was getting that

<iv_an_ru> Should I tell Orri that the code is 26631?

<AxelPolleres> (just joined with passcode 26631)

<swh> Zakim: ??P2 is Garlik

<ericP> if we restart, we shoudl get the code SPARQL

<bijan> I think you have to drop off

<bijan> You can use the hand wave feature

<alepas> Zakim: ??p4 is me

<LeeF> iv_an_ru: yes, please do relay 26631 to Orri

<bijan> 41# will raise your hand

<iv_an_ru> I did

I'm P4!

<bijan> So if you don't know which P you are

<bijan> Type on the keypad 41#

<bijan> ack

<bijan> Note that the hand raise trick puts the person on the queue...chairs should clear it

<LeeF> how? :)

<bijan> tracy ack

<bijan> try ack

<ericP> i just cleared it

<ericP> "queue="

Now can't dial in to US number either : suggests it's not the Bristol number

<iv_an_ru> I wan unable to dial in to Nice

<LeeF> Scribe: AndyS_


<AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki

Round the phone:

Lee Feigenbaum

<AxelPolleres> (please all who don't speak mute themselves, thnx.)

Axel Polleres

Lee and Axel are the group's co-chairs

<kasei> Axel: is there a way to do that through the conf. system?

<LeeF> kasei: you can type "zakim, mute me"

Steve Harris

<AxelPolleres> kasei, type "Zakim, mute me"

<swh> "Luke Wilson-Mawer"

Bijan Parsia

<AxelPolleres> we'd kindly request people to also send intro mails to the mailing list, and also enter an introduction to the wiki (http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki).

Greg Williams

Eric Prud'hommeaux

W3C staff contacts: EricP and Ivan Herman

Orri Erling

Ivan Mikhailov

<AxelPolleres> orri and ivan on the same phone line (for attendees list)

<iv_an_ru> Orri is at Utrecht and I'm in Novosibirsk, I guess that lines differ.

Dave Newman

(Dan Schutzer not attending today)

Phil Brooks

<Phil> Hi, Bijan!

<Phil> Jenna Zhou

Alex Passant

<LeeF> Andy Seaborne

<AxelPolleres> On http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=35463 I don't see yet all of the people here.

<bijan> +1 to AndyS speed point

<swh> +1

<bijan> Oops. Manchester is likely to have a second person as well, someone who's been heavily involved with a joint UManchester/Seimans project

HP will be represented by two people: Andy Seaborne and Ahmed Ezzat

Weekly telecon : discussion on timing

Issue: PST is 06:30 and we have people on the west coast

<AxelPolleres> (when typing, please mute yourselves)

Also clash with RIF calls just after SPARQL

LeeF: Meetings usually an hour

Dave: 7am is OK

LeeF: Suggestion 15:00Z

AxelPolleres: then limits me to one hour due to RIF

15: 00Z = 10am EST = 7am PST until clocks change

Bijan: teach some of those slots but UManchester will have two people.

<bijan> I appreciate the chairs consideration

LeeF: Days other than Tuesday is tricky for chairs/staff contacts

<bijan> If the chairs are willing for asynch feedback from me on the days that I can't attend, I would be grateful

Phil: 10am OK but Singapore would be a problem.

<LeeF> Very happy for async feedback

LeeF: For now, 15:00Z telecons -- 10am EST -- 7am PST

<swh> http://www.w3.org/2009/01/sparql-charter

Charter discussion

LeeF: 18 months running time.
... key point
... RECs from last time (QL, Protocol, Results)
... also JSON Results format -- WG Note
... charter for adding key features for users; things that have been impelemnted and used sufficiently widely
... all SPARQL v1 queries shouldl be the same
... scope suggestions:
... update and delete
... aggregate functions

<scribe> ... new filters and functions

UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: interoperability (e.g. service description)
... describe inference regime
... make DESCRIBE more interoperable
... (was non-normative in REC)
... consider an XML syntax for SPARQL

<swh> (project named expressions was missed I think)

UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: next week : round table for members to state what they see needed

EricP: Do some to meet schedule then flesh out if more time

LeeF: step one is UC&R (2 minths - maybe 6 weeks) will fix the features
... charter says prioritize

<iv_an_ru> Shouldn't we make a table with row per feature and column per implementation, to enumerate SPARQL extensions do we have implemented already?

<iv_an_ru> in a wiki

AxelPolleres: after 6 weeks we can close the feature set to stay on schedule

Orri: Implemented extensions - will submit the prioritized extensions

LeeF: Want to gather what's out there
... inc popularity
... then juggle.
... Other deliverables: REC updates
... already one month late :-)


LeeF: Travel may be an issue (economic issues)
... likely less F2F
... first F2F around end of UC&R

<bijan> +1 to AndyS

<bijan> I've done a bunch of remote F2F participation

<bijan> I'd even go down to bristol or host UK folks so we have some "nodes" of f2f particpating at weird hours

AndyS_: virtual F2F : will set aside time to attend properly even if remote

<bijan> Manchester has a nice room for telepresence

<bijan> The "Access Grid"

<swh> +1

<swh> may 5,6,7 is ok for me

LeeF: timing: 1st week May (5th May ish)
... Location: Boston

<ywang4> Hi, i just got here. May 4-6 are best for me

LeeF: maybe other links (e.g.UK)

<ywang4> it's Yimin from Lilly

<bijan> Not great for me

<iv_an_ru> May 1-10 is not very convenient for me but I'm probably missing F2f anyway.

Looks OK at the moment

<bijan> Mon-tues much worse than wed-fri

(how many Lilly people are there in the WG?)

<ywang4> I think Susie and me here

<Phil> Plus Phil and Jenna

LeeF: will try for 5&6 May

<Phil> Jenna, though, may not participate quite as often

LeeF: will take to email

Axel: WBS

<ywang4> Hi Phil, I didn't notice you are here as well

LeeF: Comments and questions?

AxelPolleres: Self-intros to the list

<AxelPolleres> Please all send self-introductions until next week.

LeeF: Chairs will seek out editors for documents over time

End of meeting

EricP - can you remind of the minutes magic?

<LeeF> AndyS, I will take care of the minutes and get them online

Summary of Action Items

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