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<scribe> scribe: JR
<AllanJ> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20090209/
<jeanne> ACTION: JS to Update document to change the order of Guideline 1.1 and 1.2 as per the survey of http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20090209/ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/12-ua-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-125 - Update document to change the order of Guideline 1.1 and 1.2 as per the survey of http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20090209/ [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-19].
JA: Basically moving "speech
stress" to AAA
... The user can set the speech stress, overriding any values
specified by the author
<AllanJ> 3.8.5 Speech Stress: The user can set the speech stress (the height of "local peaks" in the intonation contour of the voice), overriding any values specified by the author (Level AAA)
JS: Can this be done today?
JA: I think yes in Jaws
KF: Haven't heard of this
JA: Isn't this the rising of voice at question mark?
KF: OK
<jeanne> ACTION: JS to update document 3.8.4 to move (c) to a new SC 3.8.5 to say"3.8.5 Speech Stress: The user can set the speech stress (the height of "local peaks" in the intonation contour of the voice), overriding any values specified by the author (Level AAA)" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/12-ua-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-126 - Update document 3.8.4 to move (c) to a new SC 3.8.5 to say\"3.8.5 Speech Stress: The user can set the speech stress (the height of \"local peaks\" in the intonation contour of the voice), overriding any values specified by the author (Level AAA)\" [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-19].
JA: Only point of contention is DOM sentence
<AllanJ> JR: on some platform the accessibility API may not be rich enough, and AT assumes a DOM, it is closely related
<AllanJ> JS: so, if no AAPI then must implement a DOM
JR: No...just saying it supplements
KF: Not disagreeing...just would say that maybe this sentence should go into the definition of DOM
JS: If this is so important, doesn't it need to be in a success criteria somewhere
JA: We do....reads from...
JS: No in particular this point about the DOM
JA: Reads from ...
JS: What we are saying in the defintion is not clear in SC
<jeanne> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2009/UAAG20-20090121-ED/#principle-AT-access
KF: We do make various mentions of this
MH: OK with proposal
KF: OK with me
JA: OK let's keep it as is
JS: To me it does not come across clearly in GL2
JA: Can you phrase an issue about this?
JS: Yes
<scribe> ACTION: JS to Use new defn of platform accessibility architecture [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/12-ua-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-127 - Use new defn of platform accessibility architecture [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-19].
<jeanne> issue: In the definition of platform accessibility architecture, the final sentence refers to the need for a DOM. Make sure this concept is clearly covered by Principle 2
<trackbot> Created ISSUE-32 - In the definition of platform accessibility architecture, the final sentence refers to the need for a DOM. Make sure this concept is clearly covered by Principle 2 ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/32/edit .
JR: Agree with comments
JA: SHall we hjust use KFs phrase
MH: My concern is that alerts are
out of the contecxt of the primary content...status bar, popup
etc
... Thought initial defn was too wide
To make the user aware of information. User acknowledgement may or may not be required.
JA: Also might be in address bar
JR: Does alert refer to user agent developer alerts or author alerts
<Zakim> jeanne, you wanted to if this is that important, it needs to be in a SC, and not in a definition that people may never see.
SH: Is there not another related
definition
... Is there anything about confirmation dialogs?
JR: There is also prompt- requiring info from user
MH: I jhust felt there was a missing element when we talked about alert
KF: Alert and prompt to me are the same thing
MH: Alert is transitory
KF: Can be
... Like spelling errors
MH: "Server busy.Try again."
KF: "Server busy, do you want to
try again?"
... To me they are all alerts
JA: I think we are agreed on the user may or may not need to be acknowledged
SH: Alert is just
highlighting
... Prompt is something that requires some
interaction...generate input
... I'm wondering if "alert" should be used here
JA: MH could you take action item?
MH: Yes
KF: What I hear is that we could really clarify alert+prompt at the same time
<KFord> +1 for the direction Simon was heading.
<scribe> ACTION: MH to Write a proposal encompassing for both alert and prompt [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/12-ua-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-128 - Write a proposal encompassing for both alert and prompt [on Markku Hakkinen - due 2009-02-19].
JS: "Equivalent" not really the right word
JR: BTW I'm not stuck on on "equivalent alternative"
KF: Don't like "equivalent alternative"...prefer "alternative content"
JR: +1
MH: +1
SH: Are we saying alternative content could be anything? Like alt with random characters
<AllanJ> +1
SH: It's not in any way an equivalent
<jeanne> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2009/UAAG20-20090121-ED/Overview.html#def-conditional-content
KF: But the defn says "essentially the same function or purpose" so it can't just be garbage
<AllanJ> JR: reads ATAG def
Content that is used in place of other content that a person may not be able to access. An equivalent alternative fulfills essentially the same function or purpose as the original content. Examples include text alternatives for non-text content, captions for audio, audio descriptions for video, sign language for audio, media alternatives for time-based media. See WCAG for more information
SH: +1
<AllanJ> Content that is used in place of other content that a person may not be able to access. Alternative content fulfills essentially the same function or purpose as the original content. Examples include text alternatives for non-text content, captions for audio, audio descriptions for video, sign language for audio, media alternatives for time-based media. See WCAG for more information
<scribe> ACTION: JS to Use Alternative Content: > Content that is used in place of other content that a person may not be able to access. Alternative content fulfills essentially the same function or purpose as the original content. Examples include text alternatives for non-text content, captions for audio, audio descriptions for video, sign language for audio, media alternatives for time-based media.... [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/12-ua-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-129 - Use Alternative Content: > Content that is used in place of other content that a person may not be able to access. Alternative content fulfills essentially the same function or purpose as the original content. Examples include text alternatives for non-text content, captions for audio, audio descriptions for video, sign language for audio, media alternatives for time-based media.... [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-19].
UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: See WCAG for more information
<scribe> ACTION: JR to Suggest to AUWG change "equivalent alternative" to "alternative content" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/12-ua-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-130 - Suggest to AUWG change \"equivalent alternative\" to \"alternative content\" [on Jan Richards - due 2009-02-19].
<scribe> ACTION: JS to Use Animation: Graphical content that is rendered such that it can automatically change over time, potentially giving the user a visual perception of movement. Examples include video, animated images, scrolling text, programmatic animation (e.g., moving or replacing rendered objects). [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/12-ua-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-131 - Use Animation: Graphical content that is rendered such that it can automatically change over time, potentially giving the user a visual perception of movement. Examples include video, animated images, scrolling text, programmatic animation (e.g., moving or replacing rendered objects). [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-19].
MH: Takes back answer - agrees to delete
<scribe> ACTION: JS to Delete "Applet" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/12-ua-minutes.html#action08]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-132 - Delete \"Applet\" [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-19].
MH: Wants to capture the rest of the text of first paragraph somewhere
JA: Maybe in "Understanding" doc
MH: Or Techniques doc
<AllanJ> issue: API include the following in techniques or understanding document. "Implementing APIs that are independent of a particular operating environment (as are the W3C DOM Level 2 specifications) may reduce implementation costs for multi-platform user agents and promote the development of multi-platform assistive technologies. Implementing conventional APIs for a particular operating...
<trackbot> Created ISSUE-33 - API include the following in techniques or understanding document. \"Implementing APIs that are independent of a particular operating environment (as are the W3C DOM Level 2 specifications) may reduce implementation costs for multi-platform user agents and promote the development of multi-platform assistive technologies. Implementing conventional APIs for a particular operating... ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/WAI
<AllanJ> ...environment may reduce implementation costs for assistive technology developers who wish to interoperate with more than one piece of software running on that operating environment."
<scribe> ACTION: JS to Use application programming interface (API): An application programming interface (API) defines how communication may take place between applications. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/12-ua-minutes.html#action09]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-133 - Use application programming interface (API): An application programming interface (API) defines how communication may take place between applications. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-19].
JA: I think its important to remove AT from being a user agent
JR: Ask for ATAG2 defn to go into next weeks survey
JA: OK
<scribe> ACTION: JS to Add ATAG2 defn of Assistive Technology to survey [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/12-ua-minutes.html#action10]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-134 - Add ATAG2 defn of Assistive Technology to survey [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-19].
MH: Would like something about live
From WCAG2: audio
the technology of sound reproduction
Note: Audio can be created synthetically (including speech synthesis), recorded from real world sounds, or both.
MH: "live audio" or a combination
<AllanJ> JR: understand about problems with captioning of live audio
<AllanJ> MH: original definition is inadequate, need something about 'live' audio
<mth> jim were you starting to speak when i hung up?
<mth> give me 2 minuts
<mth> minutes
<AllanJ> ACTION: MH to propose definition of 'audio' to include 'live' audio [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/12-ua-minutes.html#action11]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-135 - Propose definition of 'audio' to include 'live' audio [on Markku Hakkinen - due 2009-02-19].
<AllanJ> rrsagent: make minutes
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