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<joakim> Hi Victor, all well?
<victor> fine, thanks
<joakim> who zakim, who is noisy
can you hear me ?
<joakim> scribe: Pierre_antoine
<raphael> scribenick: pchampin
last minutes approved
Frank will scribe for the next meeting
next call: January 27, 13:00 UTC unless it is unconvenient for the Apple people
Werner: must have more discussion with Frank next week
action 47 still ongoing
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 47
<raphael> Jean Pierre: try the web access to irc
<Zakim> raphael, you wanted to talk about the action from Felix
raphael: Felix and Raphael received mails from Adobe
about a library giving a better idea of the XMP properties actually in use
victor: worked on the Image UC
the UC is about image lifecylce
mailed a similar example involving video
<joakim> Pierre Antoine: we should take structured data into account
there is a trade off between structured API and structured data
<raphael> Pierre Antoine, you should be able to watch all actions and issues, open and close ... so ask Thierry to get your access granted, this is a setup problem
<trackbot> ACTION-59 Investigate how the declaration of JSON could provide a solution for our return object closed
joachim: manually adds an Issue: "trade-off btw structured API and structured data"
<raphael> the system should give a number to the issue
this is issue 1
<raphael> and you can assign actions related to this issue ...
<trackbot> ACTION-65 Finish TYoutube and Media RSS , TXfeed for next week closed
<trackbot> ACTION-67 Review tvanytime closed
<trackbot> ACTION-68 Review EBU closed
<trackbot> ACTION-69 Review Cable Labs Video-On-Demand Content specification 2.0 closed
<trackbot> ACTION-70 Review IPTC closed
<trackbot> ACTION-72 Review MIX closed
werner: 2 columns are missing in the mapping for SMPTE
they will be completed next week
<trackbot> ACTION-75 Review METS closed
<trackbot> ACTION-76 Review LOM closed
joakim: we can discuss on the mapping table
véronique: a lot of formats have a mapping to XMP and a mapping to DC
can we use the transitivity of the mappings ?
victor: not only the transitivity, but also symetry ?
<raphael> Does your mapping have a direction ? or are they equivalent relations in the mathematical sense?
joakim: in ID3, a property maps to both XMP and DC, but not exactly in the same way
DC is more general, XMP more specific
werner: same observation: there is often an overlap
<raphael> the mapping can be precised: sub-property, equivalent-property, related-property, etc. OWL and SKOS provide constructs to express that
many properties are music-oriented; should we keep them?.
véronique: the mapping of MPEG7 will probably provide properties related to video
that we don't have yet: mapping problem
<scribe> ACTION: joakim to merge the contributions to the mapping table on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/20-mediaann-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-77 - Merge the contributions to the mapping table on the wiki [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2009-01-27].
<VeroniqueM> for VRA at least they provided a clear mapping to Dublin Core 4.0
<VeroniqueM> and to former versions, but i did not include them...
pierre-antoine: is the mapping of DC vs. DCterms always consistent with the 2 versions (string / URI) provided by the Dublin Core?
<scribe> ACTION: pchampin to start a discussion on the wiki about the DC vs. DCterms issue [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/20-mediaann-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-78 - Start a discussion on the wiki about the DC vs. DCterms issue [on Pierre-Antoine Champin - due 2009-01-27].
<raphael> I think that URI as values is a must ... to be part of the Web of Data
<raphael> ... this is coherent with the vision of a Web of things
<VeroniqueM> I agree with Raphael
<VeroniqueM> one way of representing the mappings could be in a Semantic Web format, what are the other formats that people would want it into?
<VeroniqueM> with skos:mappings for example
véronique: SKOS is about specifying different kinds of mapping (exact mapping, more general, etc)
<victor> i absolutelty agree about SKOS
<scribe> ACTION: VeroniqueM to write an example about using SKOS [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/20-mediaann-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - VeroniqueM
<raphael> trackbot, status
<scribe> ACTION: Véronique to write an example about using SKOS [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/20-mediaann-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-79 - Write an example about using SKOS [on Véronique Malaisé - due 2009-01-27].
<VeroniqueM> there are two points: the API and the media ontology...
pierre-antoine: do we expect people using our API to be able to deal with SKOS ?
<VeroniqueM> they are related, of course, we agree with that
<Zakim> raphael, you wanted to explain a bit more how SKOS can be useful
raphael: SKOS is for representing lightweight taxonomies
without strong semantic comitment
joakim: should we include MicrosoftTV on iTunes ?
(no opinion expressed)
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